guardian may be good only in grindy match-ups, phoenix, dredge, tron, humans, burn, amulet titan just don't care of that card....
If you to do something with that in modern you just don't need it to win the current game.
I try to explained some of my choices in previous post, only one major change here : the third thoughtseize "instead of" the second kalitas.
I think the format is very fast and try to not interact with opponent, i think it's exactly in this kind of metagame you want more discard spell.
Second point i think kalitas is not good against UR phoenix, it's average, sure when you untap with it and a removal it's very nice but alone on board it's too average for me.
So, now a very short and lazy report :
MCQ 1 : 4-2
Ad Nauseam 2-0
Dredge 2-1 (board out removal and LotV, keep all discard spells and creatures)
Tron 1-2 (i did a huge missplay at the end of a close g3 because timer was on 4min and my oppo was 16hp and i had no fast clock)
Red Prison 2-1 (i think if he played/side board better i probably loose)
Hardened Scales 0-2 (my opponent says me thoughtseize is better than brutality otp and worst otd, i disagree i think brutality is always worst than thoughtseize)
Amulet Titan 2-1 (i loose one game against hive mind and i miss my 4th land drop to pay green pact xD)
Main Event : 2 byes + 3-3
2 byes
Tron 2-0
Dredge 0-2
Red Phoenix 2-1 (very close match)
Storm 1-2 (my oppo did a GP top 8 some months ago, i discuss with him about my choices, he confirmed all of it but quite sad to "loose" 2 games on the 20%/30% of chances to don't draw a land a time)
UR Phoenix 2-0
UR Phoenix 1-2 (loose on blood moon :/, i explained to my opponent, it was a bad idea to board in against Rock but sometimes it happened, he gave me the first game free)
MCQ 2 : 3-3
Storm 0-2 (kind of frustating rulling for me so probably missplays in g2 at least)
Tron 2-0 (i apologized to my poor opponent when i start to sinkhole him)
Hollow One 2-1 (he missplayed the g2)
Mardu Pyromancer 1-2 (i was lucky in g1 and mull 5 the g3 against a unexperimented player so the g3 was close despite of the mull)
Grixis Death Shadow 1-2 (real magic <3)
UR Phoenix 2-0
Side Event : 2-1
8 whack Frenzy 2-1 (i now have a personnal record of 20 zombies made with kalitas in 4 turns)
Grixis death shadow 1-2 (i played bad despite of he keep a one lander otp)
Ad Nauseam 2-0
So it was a final 12-9 score which is correct but not great.
The third thoughtseize was very very good for me.
After i see the day 2 metagame, i was happy to my deck choice and deck building except humans deserve some sideboard cards more.
After some discussions with my opponents and/or teammates, some conclusions :
-Tron is definitely a good match-up with 4 trophy and field of ruin
-UR phoenix is between 50/50 and 65/35 but i think the match need a lot of skill in both side.
-Dredge is unfavourable for sure but really winnable.
-amulet titan seems to be a close match but pretty hard to play.
-you should be happy when your opponent plays turn 1 goblin guide and sad when your opponent plays turn 1 noble hierach into spirit/human
-you shouldn't play rock with a bunch of coffee in your blood and if you may be frustrated by the crazy turn of your opponents
-the deck is, imo, a ok/good choice and your favourite metagame should be Phoenix/Burn/Tron as top deck and Storm/Death Shadow/Ad Nauseam as tiers 2 and you don't want to play against humans/spirits/affinity/hardened scales/scapeshift.
grafdigger's cage helps me against rare and not hard match-ups => devoted combo and vannifar so if these decks are more played, i think it's a nice choice.
@pzbw7z : it seems far too slow but i never tried it.
Anyone have an idea of sb card which is good against dredge but still doing anything else against other deck ?
Have you tried Wheel of sun and moon?
It costs as much as Rakdos Charm and some decks have problems to remove it.
Though it only has one mode it hits quite a few of decks. Phoenix, Dredge, Scales, Pyromancer, Shadow, Living End, Mill, Storm, Control,..are the first decks i can think of.
It's the same job as nihil spellbomb with some little upgrade and very harder to cast. It's not good against control and control and it's average against pyromancer, not useless but not good for sure.
cry of the carnarium is the kind of idea i expect with my question ! it's ok against humans, burn and spirits and good against affinity, scales, hollow one, mono red phoenix and dredge. I will take one in my maybe SB. Thanks
@pzbw7z : it seems far too slow but i never tried it.
Anyone have an idea of sb card which is good against dredge but still doing anything else against other deck ?
To be clear : i put a 3rd nihil spellbomb in my SB but i was disappointed when i saw i am not very happy to have it against UR phoenix, 2 surgical et 2 spellbomb is far enough.
Ideally i want to play something like rakdos charm but i have no idea about something like that in GB. Maybe the 4th scavenging ooze can be good in SB ? I have already a 2nd kalitas in my 75. Any thoughts ?
@pzbw7z :
you are correct ad nauseam's player dies first.
@FlyingDelver :
the eternal witness was a kind of 4th tireless tracker and i board in it in 75% of matchs because it can use again any sideboard cards and it's cheaper than a tireless tracker. It was pretty good and polyvalent, it not disappointed me but i have to play the 3th tracker before i think.
I want to make the following changes after i take a look on GP LA :
the second kalitas will go to SB and i put a thoughtseize instead
i remove disfigure, damnation, eternal witness and a fulminator mage
so i add to side board liliana, the last hope, kalitas, creeping corrosion and a nihil spellbomb
@VidarThor : you say it, we don't use the graveyard too much and we have trophy to destroy rest in peace. I think we just don't care of graveyard hate but we have to be careful. By example, i think spirits board in rest in peace against BGX is a bad idea but a lot of people do it so i board out at least 2 goyf and often 4. Liliana the last hope is still good with a rest in peace on board.
@pzbw7z : my point of view about tron match-up is quite different, i think it's now a slightly favorable match-up. They need to tron t3 to win the game easily, otherwise the game will be close. I have 4 trophy MD and 4 FoR, 3 fulmi and 2 surgical MD (and i cut 1 fulmi just yesterday) and i am currently 5-0 against G Tron (1 irl and others on mtgo comp leagues), i think my opponents were not really good tron players because they always side board as if they will have no problem to put tron online. To be honest, now i am more happy to play against t1 urza's land than humans/spirits with Rock.
@jokerstyle00 : Amulet titan is slightly unfavourable imo. obviously that kin dof match-ups are far easier with red prison or ponza aha !
@Pikupstyks : Board out LotV and some tarmogoyfs, board any removals or value creatures, if you have leyline of the void, you should board in too but it's harder to know what board out, probably ooze and keep all the goyfs i don't know in that case.
@shocker_nation :
It's strange, i think kalitas is a really good now but 4 is a little too much, you are rarely happy to have 2 kalitas in hand except if you face dredge, burn, humans and spirits all the day and even it's not always good.
By the way SCG's IQ are not a high level tournament if i am correct ? It's close than PPTQ i guess.
I can see a 3rd kalitas in SB but no more imo.
@MajorRiot : hey kid, welcome in modern if you have some skills. If you don't go play burn or tron you're correct on that.
If you think midrange is bad, just take a look on Toronto or the MCQ in Strasbourg.
But i guess you don't because you are just a salty kid which probably loose against BGX because you were unlucky.
Thanks for you useless participation.
@dos_rogue : it just seems to be a bad shuffle between rock, ponza and amulet titan.
Ligth disrupt, no discard, very slow values, very slow clock, average PW..
@sorroW : your list is well-tuned for these MU you have a lot of is discard spells, play 4th trophy over the decay and cut a forest for the 4th field of ruin. Rock don't have silver bullet for these MU.
@tstahldotcom : i expect a lot of burn and my list is built for that by :
-i have 12 creatures others than bob
-3 brutality in the 75
-more cheap interactions and threats in SB
I am currently 7-1 against burn
If you really expect an army of burn, dredge and some others aggro decks you can play the 4th ooze and 1 finks over some bob but i think it's the bad idea to cut all the bob.
@jokerstyle00 : yes it's very hard, i think you can play kind of green death shadow, LotV less matters in death shadow BGX.
@cfremont : i switch to BG definitevely, my winrate is far better with it (+20% on MTGO).
I think burn and Ur phoenix tiers 1 is a huge an argument because BG is better than Jund here. Jund is really better against affinity, humans, spirits and company deck but they are less played now. For me Jund have no really insane red card to bring against the top tiers.
I think 3 kalitas MD is one too much, maybe 1 finks over 1 kalitas here.
If you to do something with that in modern you just don't need it to win the current game.
I am back from GP Bilbao where i play 21 matchs with The Rock
Not great results but some interesting things.
4x Blooming Marsh
4x Field of Ruin
2x Forest
3x Hissing Quagmire
1x Overgrown Tomb
3x Swamp
1x Treetop Village
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Bloodstained Mire
2x Collective Brutality
4x Fatal Push
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
3x Thoughtseize
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
3x Scavenging Ooze
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Tireless Tracker
4x Dark Confidant
3x Liliana of the Veil
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
1x Kalitas, Traitor of Geth
1x Duress
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
1x Engineered Explosives
3x Fulminator Mage
2x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Surgical Extraction
1x Collective Brutality
1x Creeping Corrosion
1x Kitchen Finks
I try to explained some of my choices in previous post, only one major change here : the third thoughtseize "instead of" the second kalitas.
I think the format is very fast and try to not interact with opponent, i think it's exactly in this kind of metagame you want more discard spell.
Second point i think kalitas is not good against UR phoenix, it's average, sure when you untap with it and a removal it's very nice but alone on board it's too average for me.
So, now a very short and lazy report :
MCQ 1 : 4-2
Ad Nauseam 2-0
Dredge 2-1 (board out removal and LotV, keep all discard spells and creatures)
Tron 1-2 (i did a huge missplay at the end of a close g3 because timer was on 4min and my oppo was 16hp and i had no fast clock)
Red Prison 2-1 (i think if he played/side board better i probably loose)
Hardened Scales 0-2 (my opponent says me thoughtseize is better than brutality otp and worst otd, i disagree i think brutality is always worst than thoughtseize)
Amulet Titan 2-1 (i loose one game against hive mind and i miss my 4th land drop to pay green pact xD)
Main Event : 2 byes + 3-3
2 byes
Tron 2-0
Dredge 0-2
Red Phoenix 2-1 (very close match)
Storm 1-2 (my oppo did a GP top 8 some months ago, i discuss with him about my choices, he confirmed all of it but quite sad to "loose" 2 games on the 20%/30% of chances to don't draw a land a time)
UR Phoenix 2-0
UR Phoenix 1-2 (loose on blood moon :/, i explained to my opponent, it was a bad idea to board in against Rock but sometimes it happened, he gave me the first game free)
MCQ 2 : 3-3
Storm 0-2 (kind of frustating rulling for me so probably missplays in g2 at least)
Tron 2-0 (i apologized to my poor opponent when i start to sinkhole him)
Hollow One 2-1 (he missplayed the g2)
Mardu Pyromancer 1-2 (i was lucky in g1 and mull 5 the g3 against a unexperimented player so the g3 was close despite of the mull)
Grixis Death Shadow 1-2 (real magic <3)
UR Phoenix 2-0
Side Event : 2-1
8 whack Frenzy 2-1 (i now have a personnal record of 20 zombies made with kalitas in 4 turns)
Grixis death shadow 1-2 (i played bad despite of he keep a one lander otp)
Ad Nauseam 2-0
So it was a final 12-9 score which is correct but not great.
The third thoughtseize was very very good for me.
After i see the day 2 metagame, i was happy to my deck choice and deck building except humans deserve some sideboard cards more.
After some discussions with my opponents and/or teammates, some conclusions :
-Tron is definitely a good match-up with 4 trophy and field of ruin
-UR phoenix is between 50/50 and 65/35 but i think the match need a lot of skill in both side.
-Dredge is unfavourable for sure but really winnable.
-amulet titan seems to be a close match but pretty hard to play.
-you should be happy when your opponent plays turn 1 goblin guide and sad when your opponent plays turn 1 noble hierach into spirit/human
-you shouldn't play rock with a bunch of coffee in your blood and if you may be frustrated by the crazy turn of your opponents
-the deck is, imo, a ok/good choice and your favourite metagame should be Phoenix/Burn/Tron as top deck and Storm/Death Shadow/Ad Nauseam as tiers 2 and you don't want to play against humans/spirits/affinity/hardened scales/scapeshift.
It's the same job as nihil spellbomb with some little upgrade and very harder to cast. It's not good against control and control and it's average against pyromancer, not useless but not good for sure.
cry of the carnarium is the kind of idea i expect with my question ! it's ok against humans, burn and spirits and good against affinity, scales, hollow one, mono red phoenix and dredge. I will take one in my maybe SB. Thanks
Anyone have an idea of sb card which is good against dredge but still doing anything else against other deck ?
To be clear : i put a 3rd nihil spellbomb in my SB but i was disappointed when i saw i am not very happy to have it against UR phoenix, 2 surgical et 2 spellbomb is far enough.
Ideally i want to play something like rakdos charm but i have no idea about something like that in GB. Maybe the 4th scavenging ooze can be good in SB ? I have already a 2nd kalitas in my 75. Any thoughts
you are correct ad nauseam's player dies first.
@FlyingDelver :
the eternal witness was a kind of 4th tireless tracker and i board in it in 75% of matchs because it can use again any sideboard cards and it's cheaper than a tireless tracker. It was pretty good and polyvalent, it not disappointed me but i have to play the 3th tracker before i think.
I have GP bilbao next week, after to play competitive leagues with my previous list :
4x Blooming Marsh
4x Field of Ruin
2x Forest
3x Hissing Quagmire
1x Overgrown Tomb
3x Swamp
1x Treetop Village
4x Verdant Catacombs
1x Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
1x Bloodstained Mire
2x Collective Brutality
4x Fatal Push
4x Inquisition of Kozilek
2x Thoughtseize
2x Kalitas, Traitor of Ghet
3x Scavenging Ooze
4x Tarmogoyf
3x Tireless Tracker
4x Dark Confidant
3x Liliana of the Veil
1x Liliana, the Last Hope
1x Damnation
1x Duress
1x Eternal Witness
1x Engineered Explosives
3x Fulminator Mage
2x Nihil Spellbomb
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Surgical Extraction
1x Collective Brutality
1x Disfigure
1x Kitchen Finks
I want to make the following changes after i take a look on GP LA :
the second kalitas will go to SB and i put a thoughtseize instead
i remove disfigure, damnation, eternal witness and a fulminator mage
so i add to side board liliana, the last hope, kalitas, creeping corrosion and a nihil spellbomb
@jokerstyle00 : Amulet titan is slightly unfavourable imo. obviously that kin dof match-ups are far easier with red prison or ponza aha
It's strange, i think kalitas is a really good now but 4 is a little too much, you are rarely happy to have 2 kalitas in hand except if you face dredge, burn, humans and spirits all the day and even it's not always good.
By the way SCG's IQ are not a high level tournament if i am correct ? It's close than PPTQ i guess.
I can see a 3rd kalitas in SB but no more imo.
If you think midrange is bad, just take a look on Toronto or the MCQ in Strasbourg.
But i guess you don't because you are just a salty kid which probably loose against BGX because you were unlucky.
Thanks for you useless participation.
Ligth disrupt, no discard, very slow values, very slow clock, average PW..
-i have 12 creatures others than bob
-3 brutality in the 75
-more cheap interactions and threats in SB
I am currently 7-1 against burn
If you really expect an army of burn, dredge and some others aggro decks you can play the 4th ooze and 1 finks over some bob but i think it's the bad idea to cut all the bob.
@jokerstyle00 : yes it's very hard, i think you can play kind of green death shadow, LotV less matters in death shadow BGX.
I think burn and Ur phoenix tiers 1 is a huge an argument because BG is better than Jund here. Jund is really better against affinity, humans, spirits and company deck but they are less played now. For me Jund have no really insane red card to bring against the top tiers.
I think 3 kalitas MD is one too much, maybe 1 finks over 1 kalitas here.