I don't think it's right or wrong to cut grudge. A solid case can be made for both, especially if you are going to be playing in a large tournament.
Personally, I have always liked having access to 1 in the board. I haven't versed much Lantern, KCI or Affinity at my LGS, but I bring it in against the single infect player and also against HollowOne.
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Nov 4, 2018How important do you guys find Kolaghan's Command and Liliana of the Veil in the MB?Posted in: Midrange
When comparing to Grixis DS they don't have either and lower their curve and run 17 lands. I'm curious as to if it's worth moving kcommand or LotV (or both) to the Sideboard, this freeing up 4 slots.
Oct 9, 2018Ummm dumb question.. But just to clarify:Posted in: Midrange
a) On my opponent's turn if the top card of my deck is a sorcery or creature I can't cast either correct? (as in Experimental Frenzy doesn't allow me to cast spells outside of normal rules)
b) During my own draw phase: Can I look at my top card, crack a fetch, look at the top card again and then cast it and then look at the top card again before I draw it?
Oct 9, 2018I agree with you kastermaster, I dislike the posts over the last couple pages arguing/discussing something over who is right or wrong. Everyone is going to have different experiences and opinions. Better to let people do what they feel is best for them and there's no need to spend 2 forum pages trying to make someone agree with you.Posted in: Midrange
What I am really interested in is Aazadan's list with experimental frenzy!
@Azazadan: your last list I saw had 4 copies of experimental frenzy, do you find that is too many? And do you have any situations where you would want to see multiple copies per game? (aside from when the first copy gets destroyed)
Also, very curious as to whether you have tried Faithless Looting in the deck? Or does frenzy give you sufficient card selection?
Oct 2, 2018Hi All, I'm excited to be coming back to Jund after GRN comes live!Posted in: Midrange
Been testing my Jund list with some proxy trophies and so far been quite impressed. I've settled on the first iteration of my list:
A couple points of discussion I would like to open up:
1) 4 x Assassin's Trophy - I want to test the full play set to begin with to see how it goes, as I feel it is too good to play anything less:
a) always going to have a target when hit with cascade.
b) the catch-all modern vindicate card we have always wanted.
Those 2 points aside ramping the opponent is quite the opposite to what jund typically would like to do. This is especially the case when:
a) you are on the draw and early on you are forced to Trophy something on T2 and all of a sudden it's 2 lands vs. 4 lands. Gg.
b) drawing multiples before around turn 4 or 5 feels baaaad. Same point as above.
So then... Is it better to cut down to 3 Trophies and if yes what to replace it with.... A 3rd LotV maybe?
2) 2nd point of discussion, how do we feel about LotV post GRN. Initially, I was thinking going down to 3 trophies and back up to 3 LotV, but I'm expecting an initial spike in GBx midrange and even sultai brews and Death Shadow brews with people wanting to try Trophy. With this in mind how good will LotV be - is it worth going to 3 or even back to the full play set in the 75?
3) If no... Assuming I go down to 3 Trophy, what else would take the slot?
Sep 10, 2018Also.. Every player is different and the metas in each place is different.. And then there's the natural of magic every game where you draw a different starting 7 and you see different cards every single game.Posted in: Midrange
Personally, I only factor in the win % of my own matches. Like the statistics post may say jund had a sub 50% win rate overall, but for me I've experienced more like a 60 to 65% win rate.
Sep 6, 2018Hi yriel,Posted in: Midrange
My reasoning behind cutting one LotV is that I have felt it being slightly less impactful lately in my games. My last few jund versions have already moved to a 3/1 split of LotV and LtLH and I haven't missed it.
Of course in this case, the LtLH would be moved to my SB in place of kcommand.
Also, I'd never ever leave home without a pulse in my 75.
Sep 5, 2018Posted in: MidrangeQuote from Brightmist »I'm not a big fan of 4 bolt / 1 push split, it's soft to Meddling Mage tbh.
There's also 4 kcommands.in yriel:s list.
I have to say I am a big fan of that list yriel. I'm going to try pretty much the same list with a slight Sb change for my meta and also -1 LotV for a pulse.
Sep 2, 2018Hi All,Posted in: Midrange
I've been pretty much playing exclusively Mardu Pyromancer and lately tinkering with Jeskai lists. While playing midrange jeskai this has somewhat brought me back full circle back to jund.
My current Jund list:
For the record, I am convinced mardu Pyromancer is a far better midrange deck than Jund. This may be a controversial statement, but I have had plenty of experience playing both now and pretty much all the match ups feel better on Mardu pyro.
With that said, I thought I'd share my latest Jund list that I want to test this week.
Sep 2, 2018Hi guys, was hoping to get some opinions from jeskai players!Posted in: Midrange
How crucial are the Serum visions/Opts?
And is it feasible for those to be replaced with more business/action spells?
And for those who have already done this... Do you ever find yourself missing the cantrips?
Aug 25, 2018Posted in: MidrangeQuote from FlyingDelver »yeah control decks cant be torn apart by a LoTV that easily anymore. they got so many powerful tools that I am actually very scared now of a situation where both us are in topdeck mode, i feel more often than not control simply has the better position now here.
On this..Absolutely nothing we can do about it when we are top decking and they drop a Teferi. Hurts even more when we are banking on LotV ultimate only to get it shoved into the library.
Jul 29, 2018Totally agree with you there! In my testing also I found 25 with 5 creature lands felt great. You can consistently hit 4 lands by T4 and are able to activate ravines consistently when needed in the late game (double activation even).Posted in: Midrange
Bad luck on the loss to ponza! I haven't played against that deck live, but on MTGO I've been doing quite well against the normal GR ponza lists. As for scapeshift... I really really hate that match up. I struggled a lot against scapeshift in general, except for when I went fully aggro jund with Rabblemasters.
Jul 29, 2018Posted in: MidrangeQuote from Tempest753 »I employed the ghost quarter strategy years ago when I played Abzan, and it felt like if you had to GQ your opponent turn 2 on the draw you were set so far behind that it didn’t make a difference in the end. Consequently I went with field of ruin since it’s the more powerful card in more scenarios, but I could reevaluate.
I haven’t been impressed with finks lately in modern. It feels like the 3/2 and 2/1 bodies aren’t that relevant anymore in modern unless they come stapled to extra cards, like bob or BBE.
Nah Tempest, I think you are correct with the FoR choice for your particular list. When I was tinkering with my "land control/destroy jund" list I ran 4 GQ only because I wanted to focus on destroying basic lands using my GQ and then fulminators to get rid of the non-basics.
Since you are only running 1 utility land for that purpose it makes sense to run FoR (especially as it aids Tracker too). Although it may not prevent T3 Tron on the play, if you are on the play pre-SB you aren't likely to win anyway and if you do it's not going to be cause you ghost quartered a Tron piece while putting yourself back a turn.
As for finks - I wouldn't underestimate the undying ability. The 3/2 body alone is below average, but undying and 3 (6) life is very relevant.
Quote from Tempest753 »It's been a while with little discussion, where's everyone at with their decks? Any success with the spicy jund style ala Logan Nettles?
Just saw this while playing catch up - I have played around 55 best of 3's now with the spicy jund style with looting and I've had a lot of success. In terms of some stats.... only vs. decks I've played minimum 5 best of 3's against and compared to the more standardized jund list (25 lands/BBE/Bob):
vs. Humans - 6/10 games won (compared to my standardized Jund List - it feels a tiny bit better, but still comes down to drawing sufficient removal)
vs. HollowOne - 4/8 games won (compared to my standardized Jund List - it feels a bit better, but not by much)
vs. Burn - 4/5 games won (compared to my standardized Jund List - it feels more or less the same)
vs. Mardu - 2/6 games won (compared to my standardized Jund List - it feels A LOT worse)
vs. Standard Jund - 2/6 games won (compared to my standardized Jund List - it feels A LOT worse)
vs. Jeskai Control (not UW) - 9/14 games won (compared to my standardized Jund List - it feels MUCH better)
(The remainder were less than 5 games each vs. Storm/Tron/Dredge)
Fun wise - Spicy Jund is definitely my choice, but if I was going to play in a tournament or GP or something, I would definitely take my standard Jund list (more or less the same as Joslyn Lambaria's list) as I think its more consistent and has a better chance against the wide range of decks around.
Hope this helps.
Jul 24, 2018Another 5-0 from a Spicy Jund list:Posted in: Midrange
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2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Liliana, the Last Hope
2 Bedlam Reveler
1 Huntmaster of the Fells
2 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
2 Scavenging Ooze
4 Faithless Looting
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Kolaghan's Command
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Blackcleave Cliffs
1 Blood Crypt
4 Bloodstained Mire
1 Blooming Marsh
2 Overgrown Tomb
3 Raging Ravine
1 Stomping Ground
4 Verdant Catacombs
3 Ancient Grudge
1 Anger of the Gods
2 Collective Brutality
2 Fatal Push
3 Fulminator Mage
2 Nihil Spellbomb
2 Surgical Extraction
I'm still undecided which list I like more... on the one hand the lists by Joslyn Lambaria and Reid Duke have been performing very consistently on the big stage (GP's and SCG Opens/Invitationals), but the Spicy Jund list in testing and FNM's have had amazing consistency and card selection through looting. Pia and Kiran Nalaar has also been such a powerhouse for me, but no BBE and no bob makes the midrange match ups a little worse (in particular vs. classic Jund).
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