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  • posted a message on [CUBE] Flash
    Yea our issue with it years ago was that it's a great "discard outlet" but didn't have enough broken payoffs to validate it in deckbuilding outside of UB reanimator. Sneak Attack has a few broken payouts, and reanimator a few more than that, but Flash has only ever really had 2 that are broken at all stages of the game, one of which is Worldspine Wurm which is otherwise only good with Sneak Attack strategies. Woodfall Primus is awesome, but even if you play the Wurm that's just two, and you probably want like 4. cards like Ancient Stone Idol/Triplicate Titan/Sundering Titan/Ashen Rider are only conditionally broken at very early turns in the game, meanwhile I'd assume you want your flash combo to scale better into the late game.

    Working with Welder strategies opens up a lot of options, but for now I think we're set, but maybe I'm underestimating the Atraxa, Grand Unifier ETB off of Flash
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [ONE][CUBE] Sword of Forge and Frontier
    Sword of Fire and Ice is by far the best sword because regardless of other game conditions, it always generates card advantage, usually a 2-for-1. In my experience second best was always Sword of Feast and Famine because although it wasn't always a 2-for-1, it's really good early game and can at least make up for the lack of guaranteed value in it's swingy-ness. We cut Sword of Feast and Famine maybe a year ago though since it was't particularly useful in late game situations and to make space for new cards, but this card can actually net a consistent card or two per hit, and is great early for the ramp or late for the dig. As far as I'm concerned this is definitely the second best sword. Probably going to test this.
    Posted in: Cube New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [ONE][CUBE] Sheoldred's Edict
    Not a fan of non-Liliana of the Veil edicts, but Sudden Edict was close and this is likely much better for cube. Might actually try this out since Baleful Mastery is great and this is very similar.
    Posted in: Cube New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [ONC][CUBE]: Glimmer Lens
    We've been testing Citizen's Crowbar, and this puts that card to shame. Definitely going to test this, love the synergies this provides while being decent at rate and being a good value enabler for white aggro and midrange decks.
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  • posted a message on [ONE][CUBE] Nissa, Ascended Animist
    I wouldn't have liked the card if this ult was any higher than a -7, but at 7 this looks awesome imo. Having access to random burst damage is just huge, even if it's not bigger than a +2/+2 or +3/+3 a lot of the times. With that said though, I can totally imagine this card giving a +4/+4 or +5/+5 anthem sometimes and just suddenly ending games you have no business winning, especially with the Hermits.

    However, this card is just another in along line of powerful green cards that care about your lands being forests (Rofellos, Llanowar Emissary, Arbor Elf, Nissa, Who Shakes the World, etc). We currently play and love Gaea's Cradle, Treetop Village, and Boseiju, Who Endures, but also run Turntimber Symbiosis and have played with Bala Ged Recovery in the past. At what point do people think nonbasic green lands start getting worse due to forest density concerns? Is that still a ways away, or is something like Turntimber Symbiosis starting to get a little inconvenient for others?
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  • posted a message on [ONE][CUBE] Nahiri, the Unforgiving
    Quote from opterown »
    Unless you have a strong aversion, I think Comet, Stellar Pup is worth more of a test over Nahiri

    Comet is prob like a top 5 multicolored card, I don't think playing it discounts the playability of Nahiri.
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  • posted a message on [ONE][CUBE] Nahiri, the Unforgiving

    Nahiri, the Unforgiving

    1 mana red mana [ Phyrexian Red Mana / Phyrexian White Mana ] white mana
    Legendary Planeswalker - Nahiri
    Compleated ( [ Phyrexian Red Mana / Phyrexian White Mana ] can be paid with red mana , white mana , or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)

    [+1]: Until your next turn, up to one target creature attacks a player each combat if able.

    [+1]: Discard a card, then draw a card.

    [0]: Exile target creature or Equipment card with mana value less than Nahiri's loyalty from your graveyard. Create a token that's a copy of it. That token gains haste. Exile it at the beginning of the next end step.


    Burst, card filtration, and sometimes card advantage on a 3 mana planeswalker with a potential mountain of loyalty is a pretty decent rate. Card doesn't really fit into any pre-existing mold, but has enough useful and value-generating abilities that it could be a cheap value generator to stuff into a variety of creature based decks. We might try this, but it is important to mention that the third ability specifies you can only recur cards with mana value lower than her loyalty, not less than or equal too. Shouldn't make a huge difference on curve, but could come up occasionally.
    Posted in: Cube New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [ONE][CUBE] Vraska, Betrayals Sting

    Vraska, Betrayals Sting

    4 mana black mana Phyrexian Black Mana
    Legendary Planeswalker - Vraska
    Compleated ( Phyrexian Black Mana can be paid with black mana , or 2 life. If life was paid, this planeswalker enters with two fewer loyalty counters.)

    [0]: You draw a card and you lose 1 life. Proliferate.

    [-2]: Target creature becomes a Treasure artifact with " tap symbol : Sacrifice this artifact: Add one mana of any color" and loses all other card types and abilities.

    [-9]: If target player has fewer than nine poison counters, they get a number of poison counters equal to the difference.


    Might be a little slow and midrange-y for most cubes, but it's a more splashable Ob Nixilis Reignited that can scale up if you have the extra mana and can work with counter synergies. Not a fit for our cube but this certainly deserves a thread. Seems a little lackluster compared to the competition imo and isn't really an effect I think most black decks are clamoring for.
    Posted in: Cube New Card Discussion
  • posted a message on [ONE][CUBE] Black Sun's Twilight

    Black Sun's Twilight
    X mana black mana
    Up to one target creature gets -X/-X until end of turn. If X is 5 or more, return a creature card with mana value X or less from your graveyard to the battlefield tapped.

    Instant speed removal that can scale into an instant speed tapped flash creature for the 2-for-1 is pretty good value. Might be too below rate, but doesn't require a target and can serve as removal for a variety of decks and even a tangible late game threat in control and some ramp decks. Is this too overcosted/narrow, or does this fulfill enough niches to see play? I think it looks pretty good and might give it a spin if we can find room
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  • posted a message on [Cube][CLB] Caves of Chaos Adventurer
    We tried this and it was decent but not as good as Seasoned Dungeoneer and Undermountain Adventurer, but we wanted to try Winota, Joiner of Forces again and this is one of the best Human hits, so if we get more reps in with this I'll gladly report back.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [[Archetype]] Artifact Deck
    Hey so we've recently cut our wildfire ramp archetypes since the archetype defining cards (Wildfire and Burning of Xinye) have been struggling heavily with our group for the past year, and we don't think it's getting any better. This also allowed us to open up a whole bunch of red slots for cool cards we always wanted to try like Goldspan Dragon, but notably gave us some room to slot Goblin Welder and Metalworker back in for the first time in a few years. Last time we played welder and worker they were pretty bad for us, but with the new freed up space and a few new cards like Cityscape Leveler, Chaos Defiler, Clown Car (which has been awesome btw), etc we thought we'd give them another spin to see if they can finally be good enough in our format.

    We played Daretti, Scrap Savant in our cube a few years back when we added Through the Breach/Eldrazi titans/Nahiri, the Harbinger since it can bin cards for reanimator, get back some fatties in our wildfire ramp decks, and draw cards for Through The Breach combo decks, but it ended up being way to slow. This time around we're trying Goblin Engineer since it can tutor some combo pieces and bin fatties for reanimator like a bodied Unmarked Grave, but in testing it's seemed weak and we'll likely end up going back to try Daretti again for more Goblin Welder redundancy.

    Firstly, I wanted to ask if people have any advice on what these red artifact decks typically look like? Since up until just a few months ago, almost our entire near-decade long experience with artifact based decks in cube has been with R/U and G/R ramp archetypes, so trying to move into Red or Blue based midrange archetypes with our artifact decks is certainly going to require a transition period and ample direction. The blue artifact decks have been pretty intuitive, but if anybody has time they could outline for me what these red Goblin Welder decks typically look like? And what do you prioritize when drafting for them, especially how those specific picks differ when drafted with other specific colors? Because I honestly have no idea beyond the artifacts with ETBs and the discard outlets. Some example decklists (even if they're old) would also be a huge blessing if people know places where I could find more of those (also preemptive thank you to steve_man for the list 2 posts above this one).

    Secondly, we've been mulling over some bigger artifacts that we've cut or dismissed over the years that might be playable again due to Welder/Daretti being back in the format. These are all cards I've seen get played in other people's lists too, and I wanted to run them by you guys to see if people who've been playing them for a while have any pointers or advice on what works and what doesn't, or more generally what to look for in cards for this archetype?
    Memory Jar was in our cube when we played Storm, but got cut when Storm was removed. Since then we've added Sheoldred, the Apocalypse, Teferi, Temporal Pilgrim, and some artifact recursion. Tourach, Dread Cantor also exists, we just don't play it. This is probably the card I'm most curious about since it naturally slots into ramp decks and certain combo decks too
    • We cut Inkwell Leviathan years ago because it was only good in reanimator decks and was surprisingly low impact and easy to race
    • Haven't tried Night Scythe, and it seems pretty strong for regular aggro/midrange decks and with the blue artifact synergy cards
    • We played Precursor Golem when we tried Mishra's Workshop and cut it when the Shops got cut
    Golos, Tireless Pilgrim never got tested by us, but it's been banned in commander and has seen tons of play from standard all the way to vintage. We play some lands that this can combo with, but in the context of just being a Welder target is this too slow?
    Triplicate Titan was playable for us with Through the Breach and reanimator, but was awful against most of our removal and got cut down the line
    Torrential Gearhulk was decent but really narrow and only playable for us in control decks
    • Edit- forgot to mention Spellskite. It got cut for space a year or two ago since it was basically just a combo card in an already tight color, but is it a premier creature in the artifact midrange decks?

    Sorry for the long post, but I honestly have almost no experience with this Welder archetype even in other formats and want to implement it well. I'll gladly take any input yall got, and thanks for everyone's time
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [CUBE][BRO] Arcane Proxy
    In our cube white has 2 good hits, blue has 7, black has 9, Red has 7, and green has 1. I don't think that's enough.

    Not sure what I'm missing here but this seems really mediocre imo, since I don't think our cube is particularly different composition-wise from others'. We tested Sea Gate Stormcaller when it came out, and it was pretty middling too so I don't think that's a great reflection on this card.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [BRO][CUBE] Gix, Yawgmoth Praetor
    Our black aggressive decks aren't particularly low to the ground, and don't rely as highly on curving out with one drop creatures on one. Our black section also lacks early token producers, which is another strike against this card.

    With that said, this is definitely a playable aggro and midrange creature in a thin cmc slot, and specifically rewards token strategies. Not sure if we try this, but I think it looks intriguing. Might have to give it a whirl since if you're the aggressor this can easily get out of control, even in just a single combat step, but I could see this being too slow a lot of the time too.

    I don't expect the last ability to get used almost ever, but it being instant speed and there being no timing restrictions on playing the spells or lands could be an occasional game changer when paired with green.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [BRO] [CUBE] Loran of the Third Path
    Card looks awesome imo, might just cut The Restoration of Eiganjo (or maybe even a non-3 drop card) for this.

    People already mentioned Karakas and card draw denian effects, but I like that this makes now-useless hand attack spells more useful late in the game. Eot activate this, then do it again on your turn, then pull the trigger on your turn 6 Thoughtseize. More cute than anything but does offer another tangible use for the ability that isn't a danger to yourself.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
  • posted a message on [BRO][CUBE] Phyrexian Fleshgorger
    I'm not particularly high on this, as this is pretty slow and understatted at whichever rate you play it at. It can go into tons of decks and has some unique synergies to essentially "cheat" the 7/5 into play but I'm still not convinced its very good when you actually do. My playgroup is super high on it so we'll still test it, but I wouldn't expect this to stick long term, but I hope I'm wrong and there's some nuance here I'm undervaluing.
    Posted in: Cube Card and Archetype Discussion
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