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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    For reference http://old.starcitygames.com/decks/135879

    I'm not sure how hard the lattice ban hits the Karn devotion lists, as it was a pretty solid lock and we could get it out as fast as any deck in modern. I'm hoping i'll get back into my regular Thursday night modern tourneys at the LGS to try out some new Devotion things.

    On the other hand, Dryad of the Ilysian Grove really tempts me to put Titanshift back together again.

    2020 seems to be starting off in a good way for Modern.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    https://mythicspoiler.com/tbd/cards/nyxbloomancient.html

    4GGG
    Enchantment Creature - Elemental
    Trample

    If you tap a permanent for mana, it produces three times as much of that mana instead.

    Not sure if this is what we want to be doing by the time we can produce 7 mana, but good lord this will set up some stupid big plays. "I tap Nykythos for....30?"
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Hello TheThominator, welcome to the discussion. Do you mind linking your Leyline build you've been using. I know several folks tested the Leyline version early on, but ultimately found that relying on Leyline has not led to consistency. OuaT probably helps that out a lot. I haven't looked at leyline builds recently, so I'm interested in seeing what new evolutions they've engineered. Also, your comment about Nissa re-targeting the same land to increase counters won't work because you have to target a non-creature land.

    Gh0st shared his list in Discord https://www.mtgtop8.com/event?e=23820&d=365609&f=MO using Karn and Vivien to wish for answers/win-cons early.

    I had a Leyline/Planeswalker build I was working on about a couple months ago. Time to dust it off and tune it up.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Too slow for maindeck, but I think Klothys is an OK sideboard card for the graveyard removal and for the damage in grindy matchups. I think the mana ability is a nice option early game, but will be irrelevant once the game goes long. Like you said, "decent".
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    I really don't want to play Oko, but that certainly looks like a strong showing. Congrats on your result.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from Epiknoobb »
    Hello again,

    So my local Meta is 60% Tron. Either e-tron or green Tron. The others are 1 deathshadow , 2 control, 1 bant eldrazi.

    This is what I was thinking of running this next FNL.

    4 arbor elf
    4 gilded goose
    4 utopia sprawl


    4 garruk wild speaker
    4 oko

    4 once apon a time
    4 spiral Growth

    4 wicked wolf
    1 acidic slime
    2 questing beast
    1 wolfbrair element
    2 nightpack ambusher
    2 frilled mystic

    4 nyktho
    4 waterlogged Grove
    2 Temple of mystery
    2 breeding pool
    7 Forest
    1 island

    Side board
    3 veil of summer
    4 Ceremonious Rejection
    3 thragtusk
    2 Collector Ouphe
    1 rachet bomb
    2 Prophet of Kruphix

    What is everyone thoughts?


    That's certainly a spicy take on Devotion (to Wolves)! The only bit I don't like is the Spiraling Growth, because we run a low land count, there is low likelihood of actually hitting a land off the top. I'd definitely recommend Oath of Nissa in that slot, as it digs you 3 deep, can also grab creatures/planeswalkers, adds to Devotion, and only costs 1.

    Sweet brew though!
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Welcome to the forum, Sensei.
    Are you really running Arbor Elf and Garruk with no Utopia Sprawl or is that a typo (am I just blind?) I agree that if you're only running 4 1-drop mana dorks and 4 BTE, then SLC isn't going to fit well with your deck. You'd have to turn either the Finks or the Geist into Birds of Paradise (or some other 1drop dork) if you wanted to run SLC consistently. Other than that, the deck looks like a pretty traditional list.

    I'm interested in your thought process behind choosing numbers for your "Other" cards, for searching. I've always felt Oath was weak because it only digs 3, but at one mana, and contributing to devotion, I"ve been loathe to cut it as it helps early consistency. That left me trying to decide how to choose between Summoner's pact, Primal Command, and now Once Upon a Time. I can't deny the power of OUaT to help smooth opening hands and find Nykthos. So how many slots do I devote to OUaT vs straight-searching with Pact or the swiss-army-knife solution in Primal Command?

    Oath of Nissa
    +Plays early to fix land/dorks
    +Can find Planeswalkers
    +Contributes to Devotion
    -Only digs 3, no searching

    Summoner's Pact
    +Gets exactly what you need
    +Can play the search target same-turn (mana efficient)
    -Can't play early, doesn't help fix
    -Consumes 4 mana from next turn

    Primal Command
    +Versatile, interactive
    +Gets exactly what you need
    -Slow, Can't play search target in same turn

    Once Upon a Time
    +Super efficient at smoothing opening draws
    -Only digs 5, no searching

    My current set up only affords 7 slots for these cards, but maybe I need to reassess how helpful they are vs some of the other utility cards in my deck.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Excellent tournament write-up. Congrats on your result!
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Another point to make comparing Pioneer Devotion to Modern Devotion is the relevance of Nissa, Who Shakes the World. She's generally slow for modern, and we don't often have all that many forests down early. Pioneer gives her time to shine and the inclusion of Once Upon a Time as land/creature search means that we'll generally have more lands on the battlefield in Pioneer. I do agree that the prevalence of early burn for t1 mana dorks in Modern is what largely kept Leyline of Abundance from taking off. I tried several Leyline builds in modern and none of them were as resilient as the traditional manabase. If you haven't found a leyline by t3, all you've got is a big pile of dorks that can't win.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from CurdBros »

    We get the Whisperwood Combo.


    What's the Whisperwood combo?
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from Rendroc »
    While my Garruk Green deck used to have a winning winrate vs. Jund, I feel like that winrate will drop significantly now that Jund has Wrenn and Six.


    Yea, I'm in the same boat. I used to be able to out-jund jund, but W6 is big game. I'm considering whether it's worth it to find space for a pair or more in Traditional Devotion just for the value.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from CurdBros »
    So what do we think of Yorvo, Lord if the Faren Preserve?

    Normally just a large creature wouldn’t be that great...but that is a lot of power for 3-cmc and a lot of Devotion.

    Stompy is gonna love it.


    Got a bit of a typo in your link, Curdbros.
    https://www.mtgsalvation.com/cards/throne-of-eldraine/37201-yorvo-lord-of-the-garen-preserve

    I think he's interesting but doesn't do enough for traditional devotion unless you're in a counters build, or as you mentioned, playing a monogreen aggro deck that wants to keep a low curve.

    That being said I think he could be fun in a Hardened Scales build with Endless One, Stonecoil Serpent, Pelt Collector & Avatar of the Resolute.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Aww snap. Time to play Garruk Tribal! I love that his ult is just a constant O.G. Garruk's ult Tongue
    I've been wanting to jam Apex Garruk into my list for a while now, especially against planeswalkers. Guess it's time to live the dream.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Welcome back to the format. The Ban update certainly will shake things up. Good time for midrange to shine, in my opinion.
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  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    The only thing I don't like about Swordtooth, Nissa WSTW or Coiling Oracle is that we are land-light, so they don't provide consistent value. Even Courser of Kruphix was middle-of-the-road back when I was running him. Many of my games just have two Forests and a Nykthos in play before I land Primetime. I'd ideally want to go up to 24+ lands to get more value out of these guys, but more lands is not really what the deck needs.
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