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  • posted a message on [Primer] Amulet Titan
    Quote from Kobra_D »

    It's a fun deck for sure, and has some pretty solid games to win as well as can win from some positions almost out of nowhere. That being said, it is not the most consistent in terms of speed and you can get run over, as well as the games where you don't draw amulet feel incredibly different. Also, with tron and storm always being around, we will fold to some of their hate as well, which usually just means that people have good sideboards against us even if we're not on their mind. But if you can get through the fact that it will be hard, you end up with a ton of games where you get to make meaningful decisions and linear people as well as make a lot of linear decisions and midrange people. I'm biased but would def. recommend.

    Thanks for the feedback. I thought I had most of the pieces to build the deck but when I priced out what I'd still have to buy, I priced myself right back out of this deck for now. So this may have to be a future project when I've got more funds saved up. In the meantime I'll probably still lurk in the thread and keep up with the deck.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Amulet Titan
    Hello folks. I'm coming over from the Green Devotion thread, looking for a more competitive deck (but still ramp strategy), since Devotion has not been panning out for me. How is Amulet positioned these days? Is it worth picking up Amulet Titan in the current meta? I run into all kinds of decks at my shop so its hard to guess what's gonna be good on any given week. Primeval Titan is one of my favorite cards in Modern and this seems like a deck to maximize Titan's capabilities. I understand it is hard to learn, but I'm not opposed to practicing the different lines of play if it's going to reward me in the long run.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Sounds like I maybe need to put the deck down till I can flesh out the manabase with the proper fetches/shocks and get the sideboard more optimized. Thanks again for the tips.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    GarfieldKlon, thank you for taking time to review my deck. I will see about gathering a playset of Summoner's Pact to test out that version. I tried goldfishing online a list with the Hidden Herbalists, and you're right, I would definitely need to get more fetches first before trying to make use of those.

    As far as touching up the sideboard goes, I think 2 Blood Moon / 1 Alpine Moon is enough, but I could go up 1 more Moon. I could probably use more artifact hate, but I've been trying to make due with more general removal like Kozilek's Return and Dismember for artifact creatures. In comparison to Anthony S. decklist, how important is it to splash the white sideboard cards?

    As for the other big mana deck threads, I'll check them out, thanks!
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Been disappointed with the performance of my Eternal-Command list lately. Is the BTE-Summoner's Pact version worth shifting to, rather than the grindy-ness of Eternal-Command? I feel like Primal Command help solves many different problems regardless of matchup. Is BTE-Command a thing? I could at least test it out. Been thinking of running Hidden Herbalists too to capitalize on the Devo burst.

    Current list is here for reference. It's a little on the budget side, as I'm still saving money to acquire more fetchlands and maybe try out some planeswalkers.

    I realize G Devo is not the most competitive deck in the format, but I find doing big splashy things with big-mana decks to be more fun than most of the usual Modern suspects (and I can't afford Goyfs if I want to stay in green). I guess I have to decide if it's more fun to play a "deck I enjoy but lose" or play a "less fun deck and win more". Aside from Tron or Tooth 'n Nail, are there other ramp decks I could look into?
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from nogeist »
    Small update to my Tooth and Nail list (now Giant-tribal?). I replaced Nykthos with Raging Ravine because I've felt that Nykthos is a bit win-more in this type of deck and Ravinge makes Primeval Titan better in slower match ups. I cut Pact and the tutor targets for Inferno Titans and with initial testing they seem good. Fertile Grounds replaced Voyaging Satyrs for being harder to disrupt and they make Inferno Titans easier to cast. I cut the Lightning Bolts from the main because now with Ballistas and Inferno Titans I have enough removal anyways.

    Straight up Titan ramp-stompy. I love it.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Do the Coiling Oracles perform that much better than Burning Tree Emissary to warrant them as the only blue cards in the deck?
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    I'd say Devotion has too many variants to have a single "core" list beyond:
    4 Arbor Elf
    2-4 Birds of Paradise
    4 Utopia Sprawl
    3-4 Nykthos
    1 Kessig Wolf Run

    There are Planeswalker heavy lists that run low creature count, Collected Company lists that run high creature count and no Planeswalkers, Pact lists that focus on fast explosive games, and Command lists that try to grind out value in a longer game. You're not gonna get 50 cards that match among them.

    And then separately from those are the Tooth and Nail lists which have a different gameplan.

    Lastly, there's a lot of experimentation going on in this thread with people trying different colors and focuses, either for fun, or to see how competitive they can be (or both) so some recently posted lists are not well tested against a wide meta.

    I would suggest proxying a couple different variations if you have some friends to test against and see which you like best. I built a Command-style version but am slowly piecing together the other parts to change it up if I want to.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Went 2-2 in my local weekly tournament. Had 26 folks show tonight. Running the same Eternal-Command list as last week except I dropped Obstinate Baloths for Dismembers in the side. (sideboard has already been changed from the time of the tourney)

    =R1 Latern Control 2-1 W
    L G1: Ensnaring Bridge locked me out of everything.
    W G2: Fracturing Gust + Eternal Witness got a concenssion from my opponent.
    W G3: He Thoughtsiezed me t3 or 4 to reveal Eternal Witness, Fracturing Gust and Primal Command. Conceded on the spot.
    SB: Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, 2x Fracturing Gust, 3x Blood Moon. Only drew Gust. Gust was all I needed.

    =R2 Boros Burn 2-1 W
    L G1: He just burned me out too fast
    W G2: Ruric Thar, Unbowed is your homeboy.
    W G3: Super close game, even with a resolved Ruric. He had me at 3 life and then Kessig trampled for exactsies.
    SB: Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, 2 Kozilek's Return, 2 Walking Ballista. G2 Resolved Ballista at X=2 to get around Eidolon.

    =R3 Scapeshift 1-2 L
    L G1: Too many Valakuts. He dealt me 36 in one turn whilst I was at 34 life.
    W G2: Topdecked Craterhoof FTW.
    L G3: I got mana screwed with 2 Blood Moon in hand. He beat me with Inferno Titan so the Moons didn't matter.
    SB: Ruric Thar, the Unbowed, 3x Blood Moon. Against Thar he just cast Primeval Titan for 2 Mountain and double-Valakuted Thar. Not worth it.

    =R4 Scales Affinity 1-2 L
    W G1: Got the beats in with Polukranos, World Eater for the win.
    L G2: Stuck on mana with double Blood Moon.
    L G3: He had a fast start with T1 Scales into double Arcbound Ravager to nail me with 15 infect on turn 3.
    SB: 3x Blood Moon, 2x Kozilek's Return, 2x Fracturing Gust, 2x Dismember. But I only saw the Moons.

    I still feel like 3x Blood Moon is correct, even though I got stuck with 2 early copies R3 and R4. My meta is control- and tron-light, with a lot of other green ramp decks (Amulet Titan, Scapeshift, 5c Bring to Light) so I'm having to skew my SB away from what I'd expect at a larger event. I can definitely understand about some players not knowing how to play against Devotion. My burn opponent last night was very proficient with his spells/triggers but had to read just about every card I played.

    As for the Knight of Autumn, I think if I wanted to go with the white splash, I'd look at something closer to Fulgence's decklist. Keeping a red splash for Kessig Wolf Run wouldn't be too hard but if we're trying to cast 3-drops in white, it would take some adjustment (and I'd probably have to drop my SLCs).
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from CurdBros »
    I haven't determined the exact reason for my U/W Control match up to be "positive" yet...Genesis Hydra helps too.

    I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that against a walker list, all the removal and board wipes in Control decks are dead against planeswalkers, and their counterspells can't stop planewalker activations so you still manage to keep a board presence and grind out advantage that they just can't interact with very easily.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from Mender »

    I'm testing your list and it's very good. SLC puts the pressure that AS list was missing.
    Another option os change the Witness Loop for Pacts and more toolbox creatures, but I don't have idea for this changes now.

    The pressure from the SLC definitely helps keep the opponent on the back foot while you build towards a lethal board. Getting stuck on green mana when you need 3 for SLC does happen, but infrequently enough that I still think the card is strong enough on its own merit to include 4x. I wouldn't question anyone for dropping to 3 but I still want to keep at least 3. It was my highest damage dealer on the night and forced my opponents to make bad trades to get it off the table. Plopping another one down right after they dealt with one was backbreaking. I never tutored for or cast Craterhoof.

    As for the Witness, I just made a conscious decision when I bought the deck to go the Eternal-Command route instead of BTE-Pact b/c I expected to be playing more grindy decks. Witness was invaluable for me in the Wildfire matchup, where I cast & rebought Fracturing Gust 3x. And having the different modes of Primal Command is super flexible. I used every mode at least once- +7 life vs Wildfire/Burn, Bounce noncreature vs pretty much everything, shuffle graveyard vs the Abzan deck who had Grim Flayer for Delirium, and search for creature just about every time.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Went 3-1 on Thursday in a 20 man local tourney, running an Eternal-Command list:

    R1 Wildfire Chandra 2-1 W
    L G1 Wildfire shut me down and I couldn't recover.
    W G2 Fracturing Gust shut her down and she couldn't recover.
    W G3 I played around removal and she didn't draw enough mana to cast Wildfire.
    SB: 2 Fracturing Gust, Ruric Thar

    R2 Boros Burn 2-1 W
    L G1 Got stuck on multiple SLCs in hand with only Forest Forest Nykthos
    W G2 Kept enough pressure to seal the win.
    W G3 Primal Command for Ruric Thar sealed the win.
    SB: 2 Kozilek's Return, Ruric Thar

    R3 Junk Goodstuff 2-0 W
    W G1 Just had bigger creatures and Kessig put out too much pressure.
    W G2 He didn't have enough removal and double Kessig sealed the win.
    SB: Nothing, but maybe Blood Moon would've been prudent.

    R4 Bring to Light Kiki Combo 0-2 L
    L G1 Had Glittering Wish in opening hand and was just too fast.
    L G2 Got Wish early and I couldn't find answers fast enough.
    SB: 2 Kozilek's Return, 2 Ballista, 1 Blood Moon

    I guess I need to find an answer to fast Kiki Combo. I had command of the board and was about to swing for lethal next turn, but of course he combos out. Raking Canopy is my first thought, if I can find the SB space for it.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Curdbros, have you tested Garruk, Apex Predator in your walker list? He's on the high side, and you need to have Birds or Oath of Nissa to cast him, but he'll eat opposing creatures really well, and deals with opposing Planeswalkers efficiently. I've been wanting to try him in my SB but I don't think I can make room for him right now.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    Quote from lord_darkview »
    I played in a small Team Unified Modern event yesterday. My personal record was 3-2. I wrote up a report here, for those who are interested:

    I already chatted you up about this on Discord (username Dav), but thanks again for the insight and details. More data is always helpful.
    Posted in: Big Mana
  • posted a message on [Primer] Green Nykthos Devotion (includes Tooth & Nail)
    I like the SLCs in the maindeck for board presence, but like Mender said, I feel we need low mana cost bodies that can help with draws. SLC holds the field, but doesn't smooth out draws or recover from removal (especially in the absence of Oath of Nissa). I'm also running SCL md but I can't tell whether to pair it with Courser of Kruphix, Runic Armasaur, Tireless Tracker, or just plain old Wistful Selkie. Carven Caryatid, Jadelight Ranger and even Domri Rade are on my radar for that slot.
    Posted in: Big Mana
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