It wasn't really my point of contention, but you all are saying he was nodding to moving phases, when I said "so his power and toughness is 1/2, so I will move to declare blockers?"
If we're arguing semantics, I clearly made 2 statements which he nodded to. Why is everyone stating "he only nodded to move to blockers" If we're playing the semantics game and not a magic game, I clearly won that one. Why is everyone saying the nod clearly wasnt confirming 1/2 without exalted triggers?
Im not salty about "trying to trick a player out of triggers" because it was a competitive REL event, and from my past experiences, if you miss your triggers, well... you miss your triggers. It's your fault. This is my first experience where triggered abilities don't work the same as they usually do (where apparently you don't need to acknowledge any triggers whatsoever and it's fine... until 2 phases later, that is.)
So I'm asking in declare attackers about P/T (me trying to acknowledge there should be announced triggers and there weren't), then I'm confirming AGAIN before changing phases. I was trying to be SPORTSMANLIKE - not whatever you are claiming.
I agree about that, but how is me asking about the power and toughness of the creature not considered "affecting the board state." Exalted is a triggered ability. I'm asking about the P/T of a creature. Doesn't THAT become the point which it's relevant? I'm asking before I declare blockers.
In any other "trigger" interaction, SOME sort of acknowledgement of the triggers SHOULD happen before change of phase/conversation about the creature in question
I'm curious about that too. My thought was that I'm saying "is it a 1/2" (which he did at least nod to with me also asking is it okay to move to declare blocks) - this should count as asking the power toughness
The opponent attacks with just his Kitesail Freebooter and passes priority (does not point to, look at, or indicate any triggers from the Noble Hierarchs.
So I ask. "He's a 1/2?" - No response. I say "Okay so He's a 2/1, I'm going to move to declare blocks, okay?" - He nods yes.
I say "Declare Blocls; I'm going to block the freebooter with my Stormbreath Dragon.
He then points to my stormbreath and said "He dies" and then immediately I argue and call over the judge. The judge says my opponent doesn't need to say anything about the exalted until it becomes relevant. I ask why it wasn't relevant when I asked if the Freebooter was a 1/2 and the judge said "What was his response" So I told him he said nothing so I reiterated it was a 1/2 and asked to move to blockers. The judge said I needed to specifically ask him and use the specific words "What is his power and toughness" in which I was trying to argue that's exactly what I did twice when asking if it was a 1/2.
I don't understand the point in missed triggers at competitive REL. I remember seeing someone lose in a pro-tour or Grand Prix because they didn't get their exalted trigger even though they pointed at the exalted but didn't vocalize it. My opponent neither pointed, vocalized, and did some BS communication to get away with keeping his triggers without any obvious use of his board state.
I'm obviously still salty, but can someone explain to me WHY exalted triggers can work this way. Is there any way to NOT miss exalted triggers?
Hello all!
My first post, and I need advice.
Long story, but the gist is I had some cards left at someone's home whom i didn't speak with for over a year. There was an incident where someone I know took my cards from their home and went to a store and sold the cards. The cards were in 4 deck boxes (obviously a personal collection of usable decks - sleeved and everything). The thieves came back to the home where they were originally located and the people threatened them to give the cards back (for my benefit). They gave most of the cards back.
What they had done was took the 4 deck boxes to the shop, the shop buyer went through my 4 deck boxes, took out all the valuable cards from the sleeves, then put the sleeves back in the deck boxes with all the other cheaper cards. so when my friends received the 4 deck boxes back, and not being savvy on magic personally, thought they received everything no problem.
Now that I have the deck boxes back, I noticed the 44 empty sleeves between the 4 deck boxes and realized what happened. I remember 43/44 cards that were missing (totaling in current value of $460)
SO... I know they sold them at 1 of either 2 stores (big name stores that I'm not sure if I should name here in the forums) and the date at which they sold them to the store... Is there a way to track this transaction in the stores? The date was 2/18/2017 - would the stores have logs going back that far? I plan on contacting them to find out, and I plan on filing a police report for the stolen items. I even put the empty sleeves in a ziploc baggie out of paranoia thinking they can be finger-printed (:P).
If we're arguing semantics, I clearly made 2 statements which he nodded to. Why is everyone stating "he only nodded to move to blockers" If we're playing the semantics game and not a magic game, I clearly won that one. Why is everyone saying the nod clearly wasnt confirming 1/2 without exalted triggers?
Im not salty about "trying to trick a player out of triggers" because it was a competitive REL event, and from my past experiences, if you miss your triggers, well... you miss your triggers. It's your fault. This is my first experience where triggered abilities don't work the same as they usually do (where apparently you don't need to acknowledge any triggers whatsoever and it's fine... until 2 phases later, that is.)
So I'm asking in declare attackers about P/T (me trying to acknowledge there should be announced triggers and there weren't), then I'm confirming AGAIN before changing phases. I was trying to be SPORTSMANLIKE - not whatever you are claiming.
In any other "trigger" interaction, SOME sort of acknowledgement of the triggers SHOULD happen before change of phase/conversation about the creature in question
Just finished a PPTQ where I was facing Humans with my RG Ponza.
The play in question, I have a Stormbreath Dragon and my opponent has a Kitesail Freebooter and 3x Noble Hierarchin play.
The opponent attacks with just his Kitesail Freebooter and passes priority (does not point to, look at, or indicate any triggers from the Noble Hierarchs.
So I ask. "He's a 1/2?" - No response. I say "Okay so He's a 2/1, I'm going to move to declare blocks, okay?" - He nods yes.
I say "Declare Blocls; I'm going to block the freebooter with my Stormbreath Dragon.
He then points to my stormbreath and said "He dies" and then immediately I argue and call over the judge. The judge says my opponent doesn't need to say anything about the exalted until it becomes relevant. I ask why it wasn't relevant when I asked if the Freebooter was a 1/2 and the judge said "What was his response" So I told him he said nothing so I reiterated it was a 1/2 and asked to move to blockers. The judge said I needed to specifically ask him and use the specific words "What is his power and toughness" in which I was trying to argue that's exactly what I did twice when asking if it was a 1/2.
I don't understand the point in missed triggers at competitive REL. I remember seeing someone lose in a pro-tour or Grand Prix because they didn't get their exalted trigger even though they pointed at the exalted but didn't vocalize it. My opponent neither pointed, vocalized, and did some BS communication to get away with keeping his triggers without any obvious use of his board state.
I'm obviously still salty, but can someone explain to me WHY exalted triggers can work this way. Is there any way to NOT miss exalted triggers?
My first post, and I need advice.
Long story, but the gist is I had some cards left at someone's home whom i didn't speak with for over a year. There was an incident where someone I know took my cards from their home and went to a store and sold the cards. The cards were in 4 deck boxes (obviously a personal collection of usable decks - sleeved and everything). The thieves came back to the home where they were originally located and the people threatened them to give the cards back (for my benefit). They gave most of the cards back.
What they had done was took the 4 deck boxes to the shop, the shop buyer went through my 4 deck boxes, took out all the valuable cards from the sleeves, then put the sleeves back in the deck boxes with all the other cheaper cards. so when my friends received the 4 deck boxes back, and not being savvy on magic personally, thought they received everything no problem.
Now that I have the deck boxes back, I noticed the 44 empty sleeves between the 4 deck boxes and realized what happened. I remember 43/44 cards that were missing (totaling in current value of $460)
SO... I know they sold them at 1 of either 2 stores (big name stores that I'm not sure if I should name here in the forums) and the date at which they sold them to the store... Is there a way to track this transaction in the stores? The date was 2/18/2017 - would the stores have logs going back that far? I plan on contacting them to find out, and I plan on filing a police report for the stolen items. I even put the empty sleeves in a ziploc baggie out of paranoia thinking they can be finger-printed (:P).
Does anyone have advice on this situation?
**edit - relevant info - I live in south florida