So not strictly modern relevent but new format (pioneer ) looks like this deck is a direct port, with the exception of strangleroot and vine (and with the most recent sets both have viable alternatives.) We also loosing village which hurts and hexdrinker but thats only just been added so easy come, easy go.
Stompy in every format!!!
Other than Blossoming Defense I'm not totally sure there's a viable replacement for Vine so I think it is an overall downgrade there. Also, no fetchlands means no Narnam Renegade.
What a silly thing. They just arbitrarily picked a starting point instead of applying an ounce of logic for the format.
I guess it's technically arbitrary, but it feels right. I had thought they were going to start with Origins to skip the fetches, but RTR is a much better starting point. it is the start of the higher print runs, it is the start of having very few super expensive cards, it is when the game got a HUGE influx of new players, it ties in nicely to the RTRTR that pretty much all current players know well, it was a golden age, and it was as far back as they could go without running into LotV type high price due to scarcity. like i said, i thought they were going to do Origins to skip the fetches, but RTR is where i personally would have put it, and the obvious place to put it if they were going to ban fetches. really the higher print run and more supply was probably one of the biggest deciding factors against going back earlier
I think I read that the idea was that it is ~6 years of cards much like Modern was to start with.
Most of those seem like upgrades to me. NH is right about Faithless Looting but it would be hard to make a different cut for the Merchant I guess. The Merchant works in ELD limited due to the "second draw of the turn" theme but I would venture to guess it will prove too slow. Cutting Searing Spear to diversify makes sense to me although obviously from a spike perspective it is probably wrong.
Any one had a chance of testing once upon a time yet. I'm still waiting for my foil copies to come in.
Also, it seems like its primary use would be to let you use it as a land substitute that can also get a creature if you don't need another land. Considering this is not really a deck that is skimping on land (say <=16) I'm not even sure its principal function would work out that well.
That is interesting. I know some old casual-legacy Lowland Stompy decks often ran Land Grant, for that reason - it’s a nonland that can be free cast to become a land (and put a card in grave for delving a Hooting Mandrills, and cast a green spell for Talara’s Battalion or Nettle Sentinel...) I wonder if it finds a place in that sort of deck, where it is another way that deck can fluff its grave and reduce its land count...
But that’s not so sensible in the modern build.
There is the question about how toolbox we are and the ability to freebie a spell turn 1 isn't insignificant. Arent some of the more recent decks running only 18ish lands? Low land count in that case plus the ability to pull something to play for whats in your hand could be very useful.
I think if something inconsistent like this worked in practice, we'd all be running Revenge of the Hunted which is insane when it hits (or even Blessings of Nature). The fact that no one even considers it is telling IMO -- and no one wants to run those cards more than me I bet
Any one had a chance of testing once upon a time yet. I'm still waiting for my foil copies to come in.
It would probably fit an old school list from a decade+ ago (before modern existed..) with things to pitch them to like Bounty of the Hunt. As is, its ONLY going to be good turn 1 in this deck IMO. Every other use would just be when you're desperate or have literally nothing else to do it seems like.
Also, it seems like its primary use would be to let you use it as a land substitute that can also get a creature if you don't need another land. Considering this is not really a deck that is skimping on land (say <=16) I'm not even sure its principal function would work out that well.
So.. there are only 3 cards, and its a charity promo, but still. Hilarity.
I don't understand how you control Applejack, Pinkie Pie, etc. Sounds like breakfast cereals and high calorie snack items to me.
Just in case you're not sure, that's the name of the other main characters of My Little Pony. Unfortunately, that's a broken link, as is the 'Pony' creature type mentioned.
I surmised something like that but..those aren't going to be available as cards, right?
Okay, so apparently no blue card is good enough for my pauper cube. They all seem to be meh. Except maybe Queen of Ice and Witching Well.
I would assume Witching Well is good enough if you opt to include but it's not really the kind of card that makes you go out of your way to add. Queen of Ice surprised me when I saw it because sometimes they give blue a vanilla 2/3 at common and the Queen is..a lot better than that.
You have a ton of fight cards -- including 1 Rabid Bites (Aggressive Instinct being the same card). Also, a huge number of 5+ drops. Those are the two things I'm not necessarily convinced of in that volume.
Sure, let's take a look there. I prefer the super-fight cards like Rabid Bite over the Prey Upon variants, so I could cut Epic Confrontation. Has fight gone down in value in the last few years? Prey Upon certainly hasn't aged well.
Five drops: Since we talked four drops recently, I guess this is a natural next step. I added a few extras in this category to give green ramp some punch, but I'm ok cutting the worst couple.
Here's how I rank them. The ones I still run, at least.
1. Entourage of Trest - unique card advantage in green.
2. Bitterbow Sharpshooters - solve a major weakness of green decks while providing an excellent offense/defense combination.
3. Sentinel Spider - same as above, but adds redundancy.
4. Tajuru Pathwarden - similar to above, but solves the problem of chump blockers and tokens.
5. Lifecraft Cavalry - conditional huge trampler.
6. Rhox Maulers - another one. I'm still not sure who to give the edge to between Maulers/Cavalry.
7. Nessian Asp - not nearly as good as Bitterbow/Sentinel Spider, I think. I wonder if anyone would still advocate strongly for including this today.
8. Rampaging Rendhorn - flexible and unique, but somewhat under the curve.
Is this accurate? And what's the better card between Lifecraft Cavalry and Rhox Maulers?
I'm not really sure because I have a good amount of experience with all of these creatures but not necessarily in a Pauper Cube environment. I was thinking you had a lot of 5 drops considering you also had a goodly number of higher cost creatures as well. But you have a large Cube at 540 and I can see the logic as pseudo-payoffs.
Personally, we tend to avoid redundancy in things like this so Sentinel Spider kind of got pushed out when Bitterbow showed up (we do occasionally still put the Spider in though..we like that it's a "green Serra Angel" :))
The Entourage is different enough that it is hard to compare it to the other 5-drops. Also, we tend to count Wickerbough Elder as close to being a 5-drop (but he does need a target which isn't always available).
We still like Nessian Asp because it kind of doubles as a bigger threat as well.
You have a ton of fight cards -- including 1 Rabid Bites (Aggressive Instinct being the same card). Also, a huge number of 5+ drops. Those are the two things I'm not necessarily convinced of in that volume.
@Marl
Yes but the 2 for 1 and dies to removal argument basically make you hinder yourself in some matches to the point of you losing because you play too conservatively.
I mean they can 2 for 1 us when we play aspect of hydra or vines or blossoming in response to us targeting a creature right? We still play them main board. I don't see rancor being that different other than being obvious when we play it.
This game has a whole lotta IF in it. While stompy doesn't have a lot of responses to IF main board unless they are trying to pre kill one of our creatures and even then its has to be in hand when needed which is another IF anyway.
Not disagreeing with you at all. I was just being a bit pedantic
Other than Blossoming Defense I'm not totally sure there's a viable replacement for Vine so I think it is an overall downgrade there. Also, no fetchlands means no Narnam Renegade.
I think I read that the idea was that it is ~6 years of cards much like Modern was to start with.
They're such completely different cards that its a tough comparison
Most of those seem like upgrades to me. NH is right about Faithless Looting but it would be hard to make a different cut for the Merchant I guess. The Merchant works in ELD limited due to the "second draw of the turn" theme but I would venture to guess it will prove too slow. Cutting Searing Spear to diversify makes sense to me although obviously from a spike perspective it is probably wrong.
Not sure how Coatl has 3 for 1 potential unless you are envisioning that it lives somehow.
I think if something inconsistent like this worked in practice, we'd all be running Revenge of the Hunted which is insane when it hits (or even Blessings of Nature). The fact that no one even considers it is telling IMO -- and no one wants to run those cards more than me I bet
It would probably fit an old school list from a decade+ ago (before modern existed..) with things to pitch them to like Bounty of the Hunt. As is, its ONLY going to be good turn 1 in this deck IMO. Every other use would just be when you're desperate or have literally nothing else to do it seems like.
Also, it seems like its primary use would be to let you use it as a land substitute that can also get a creature if you don't need another land. Considering this is not really a deck that is skimping on land (say <=16) I'm not even sure its principal function would work out that well.
I surmised something like that but..those aren't going to be available as cards, right?
I don't understand how you control Applejack, Pinkie Pie, etc. Sounds like breakfast cereals and high calorie snack items to me.
I would assume Witching Well is good enough if you opt to include but it's not really the kind of card that makes you go out of your way to add. Queen of Ice surprised me when I saw it because sometimes they give blue a vanilla 2/3 at common and the Queen is..a lot better than that.
I'm not really sure because I have a good amount of experience with all of these creatures but not necessarily in a Pauper Cube environment. I was thinking you had a lot of 5 drops considering you also had a goodly number of higher cost creatures as well. But you have a large Cube at 540 and I can see the logic as pseudo-payoffs.
Personally, we tend to avoid redundancy in things like this so Sentinel Spider kind of got pushed out when Bitterbow showed up (we do occasionally still put the Spider in though..we like that it's a "green Serra Angel" :))
The Entourage is different enough that it is hard to compare it to the other 5-drops. Also, we tend to count Wickerbough Elder as close to being a 5-drop (but he does need a target which isn't always available).
We still like Nessian Asp because it kind of doubles as a bigger threat as well.
Also there are a couple good newish ones in Silverback Shaman and Excavating Anurid
Oh, there are also the hexproof creatures which are included if there is a hexproof theme and excluded otherwise.
Not disagreeing with you at all. I was just being a bit pedantic