Quote from BadMcFadden »I really wish these forums were active again or that I knew where the active people went - mtgnexus just has a bunch of dead threads created by moderators and like no users. I found a discord for control with a virtually dead blue tron subchannel.
I just picked blue tron up again after a long hiatus and am sort of waiting for next week's B&R to really get into it. Right now I am super impressed by Karn - whether this is the right deck for him or not I don't know, but the ability to access a toolbox that includes a game ending combo is proven good in modern (chord, whir, etc) and being a big mana deck with bounce/counters/board wipes seems like a reasonable place to try. I've dropped mindslaver as karn/lattice is a lot better most of the time than slaver/ruins and way less vulnerable (gy hate or field of ruin). Having MD access to crucible/trinisphere has been nice and tutoring a chalice/explosives/balista definitely comes up. I stuck a sundering titan batterskull and wurmcoil in there too as high end/stabilizing effects for when lattice wont do it.
That being said I still have problems with how fast other decks are and how anemic our board control is. Walking balista with no tron isn't very good in the early turns, and ugin/o-stone cost a lot.
I also mull a lot to not having enough blue mana so I've really trimmed back the utility lands - its tron plus blast zone, field of ruin, and academy ruins for me - gemstone caverns is in for now but on the chopping block. that's 16 non-blue, then I run 8 islands and 2 talismans (and 4 maps). Not having blue on turn 2 can be murder because I can't condescend or remand their turn 3 play.
Chalice is up in the air on how many I want to run. I feel like its the only thing that can steal wins vs fast decks but its still often too slow. Vs monored prowess which is like 99% one mana spells I play it and am already facing down 2 prowess dudes, and then they just fire lava darts and fathless lootings into the chalice still dealing 2 per cast until I'm toast - post board they seem to run 4 shattering spree 4 abrade so the card loses all use. Vs other fast decks there are caverns and vials everywhere, or there isnt a high concentration at 1 cmc :S
Quote from Aftershockzzz » I thought I would do a little write up of the FNM I 4-0’d at last week as well as post my list.
Quote from BloodyRabbit_01 »In case someone is interested, I meddled a little bit with the archetype as of late.
Quote from Goldmilo »Hey just a minute! Are you saying the mtg salvation will be no longer on line?
Quote from gigasoneca »Hello, I don't think we have a enough good payoff for using the colored mana, rather than what we already accomplish with islands. G Tron otherwise, has Stirrings, that digs for 5 cards as a 1-drop, Sylvan Scrying as a 2-drop, that fetches any land of your deck. We have Repeal for 0 on turn 1, Remand/Condescend/Repeal on turn 2. Helps to cast stuff like Thirst and a decent Condescend while having only tron, and makes it easier to fetch a tron land/ruins with map. Maybe it would facilitate to transmute a Tolaria West too. Could be relevant? For sure. Helps to cycle through the deck and filters mana? Absolutely. Do I rather filter some blue mana to do some pretty specific plays that are not truly determinant nor necessary, because we still can play Islands or drop a Chalice of the Void that wins many matches, specially some obnoxious matches like Bogles/Infect/Burn and many more. Chalice IMO is one of the best Magic cards ever printed, I have very good experience with 4 maindeck, and Pierakor certainly has a even better experience with all aboard.
GTRON will use these artifacts because only one green mana makes them HAVE tron no matter what, its ridiculous how easy they assemble Tron, and their pay-off is that freaking silver dude that loves to lose to U Tron, but normally just win the game right in the spot.
Quote from SwissRolls »
I've too thought about going crazy and playing stars and spheres. I think it's definitely something to explore but I fear it just makes us a worse green tron. We are MUCH weaker to Stony silence and Chalice of the void if we go into the 10+ 1 Mana artifacts. I do think if we go down that route you might as well go all in and play the 3-4 relics main too. This should allow us to cut down even more lands and probably play 21+-1
Doing that though will probably cut back the usefulness of condescend as we'll probably be more focused on quick Tron, rather than delaying till we can out grind anyone with our Tron Mana. However the useful of Karn Liberated goes up in our deck if we do this. He wins a lot of games if just played on turn 3.
Quote from Rjawas »I played my first competitive rel event (SCG IQ 69 players) with U tron in a while after taking a break.
I played a list very close to barrin's posted 5-0 with differences being 3/1 chalice split instead of 1/3 and spatials instead of warping wail
because of the meta I was expecting.
The tournament did not go well, finished 3-3 drop. The losses were to infect, no surprise, and two u/w control decks. I was a bit surprised by the control
decks because I didnt get a game off either and it didnt feel exactly close despite the chalices and it historically being a good matchup. They were playing
dovin's veto which looked good and I didnt draw the greatest but I'm can't help but feel maybe this version isn't as well positioned in the matchup as other versions. The low counters numbers is rough here and tapping out for a karn when they can play a jace or tefferi and kill your tokens is rough.
I havn't played a lot with this list, just one event, so I cant say for sure but I wanted to know what people who have played this version have felt about that matchup.
For completeness, wins were against two g/w company decks and g-tron (chalice is a good card lol).