So what’s the consensus of blood moon and manamorphose in the main?
Currently I have 2 Blood moon in a main. I know there are some matchups the card just offers us a free win against, but there are also plenty of times we either have to discard it, or play around it ourselves quite a bit, making it not the best turn 3 drop, which I imagine is the best time to drop it.
A lot of list I’ve seen doing well run at least 1 manamorphose, I’m thinking about cutting 1 of my 3 dreadbores for one.
Hey all, long time lurker, first time poster. I have a flex spot in my deck that I either want to place Nahiri or Hazoret in as a one of. I have a Invocation Hazoret which is calling to me, but I'm interested in hearing what people think about Haz vs Nahiri.
Match 1 vs Esper Control- My opponent had all of the goodies. Jace, discard suite, removal, souls, snappy. Game 1 I’m on the olay, drop relic turn 1, he plays a serum visions, I dropna mind stone, he drops a search, I resolve a Koth on an open board and beat for 4. He drops land and inquisitions me and takes my Skred. I cast a stormy and beat for 8. He never gets there and dies the next turn. Game 2 was similar. I resolve a turn 3 Chandra and turn 4 p&k. He grabs a Koth Ot of my hand and pushes p&k. I draw into a stormy and Koth and ult Chandra before he can draw a crytpic to bounce. 2-0
Game 2 vs Eldrazi and taxes- Game one my opponent is on the play. It’s a back and forth but he has taken many threats with tidehollow sculler and tks. Starts blinking tks, and the biggest misplay was me not knowing that when it blinks I draw a card. As the game comes to an end he apologizes as he says he’s only been playing magic for 6 months and that the trigger was on him to remind me to draw a card off of tks. I tell him no biggie, as I felt stupid for not paying attention to all of the interactions happening closely enough. Game 2 I got stuck on 3 lands and drew nothing but heavy threats. I lost 0-2, but this has typically been a 50/50 matchup so I chalk it off to human error and variance.
Game 3 vs boggles- Game 1 he opens with leyline and I have a Skred and bolt in hand. Feels bad man. He casts a boggle and passes. By turn 3 his boggle is a 4/2 and he has me for 7. I drop a Sweltering Suns on my turn 3. He doesn’t draw another threat and I take over the game with Koth, p&k, and stormy. Game 2 I side out all of my Skreds and bolts. Bring in my anger of the gods, kozi’s return, rabble masters, and molten rain. I get him to 1 life but he gets there before I do. Game 3 he mulls to 6 and keeps it. Opens with 2 leyline and I’m on the play. Drop a land and pass. He plays a boggle, drop a mindstone and pass. He gets his boggle up to a 4/4 and swings. Turn 3 I drop a blood moon. He is sitting on two razorverge thicket. He drops a temple garden and hits me again. I drop a stormy and leave up for blocks. He plays a land and passes. I draw, play a land, cast p&k and pass. He plays a land and passes. I draw Haz, play a land, cast her, Skred her and bolt her, and then swing her and stormy in. He scoops. 2-1. Thank ******* god for blood moon, also our side really sucks here. Wish I would have drawn into the ratchet bomb in my main. This game seems favored for them without blood moon. Being able to create massive threats that fly and have protection from creatures feel bad mane.
Game 4 va red green eldrazi- Game 1 I play a turn 3 Koth, turn 4 dragon. He hits no temples and cast bb elf bolting and killing Koth. I play p&k and just get there with the dragon. The next two games are a grind. We go to time, but I lose both those games. Game 2 he got the nuts and he s turn 2 tks and turn 3 reality smasher I roast the smasher and dismember the tks. He draws into another smasher and I die real hard. Game 3 I get him under a blood moon, but I never get past 4 mana and have two dragons in hand, I’m slinging some removal but can’t get past smasher. These matchups feel depended on whoever deploys a heavy hitter first and can start racing, as most of our removal can’t take down tks and smasher until turns 4-5. Lost 1-2
This isn’t a heavily detailed report. Some thoughts:
- I didn’t get to see Hazoret as much as I would have liked, but she does work, and would have loved to have her handle those smashers in the last game, though I know dismember is a card.
Most of the games felt good. Never felt completely blown out. Boggles was definitely the most terrifying.
Eternal Scourge is a card I absolutely hate. It’s a 3 for a 3/3. In this current modern meta that just feels so bad. Yes, you can (potentially) re-cast him and grind, but in my experiences if you have to do that you’re on the back peddle, and he almost never turns the corner and rarely buys you any significant time to stabailize. Half of the time he doesn’t get re-cast because on turns 4-5 you have better spells to deploy, and if you don’t, you’re probably a bit boned. He has some nifty interactions with relic and Chandra, but they all just seem cute at best. I’m considering trying out reckoner in his spot, or direfleet daredevil. Being able to drop daredevil on 3 and cast a serum visons, bolt, stirrings, discard seems so much better. Sure, maybe there is no target for him on turn 3, or maybe you’ve already cleared the yards with relic, but at least there is potential. Scoure will always be vanilla, and without a relic up he becomes the most basic of 3/3s in combat.
Please forgive my grammar and spelling. I’m typing this on my phone while I’m visiting the fam.
Going to a 4 round FNM tonight. Ya boy just picked up an invocation Hazoret, and I cannot tell y’all how excited I am to slam that biddy down on the table.
Hey there everyone. Skred player here who had decided to drop the blood moons and pick up some titans. This deck always looked like a blast. I'm more of a mid-range/control player, so playing a deck like this is new territory for me. A friend shot me Edgar's list this morning and I just got back from LGS with it. I was able to nab the entire deck sans the grove.
Any tips for a new player to the deck. Any must watch videos or guides someone can link me to? I've heard it's hard to pilot, but very rewarding to those who can pilot it well. This is honestly one fo the biggest draws for me. Love a good challenge and am ready to learn!
Sorry for the formatting here. I’m still a bit new to the site and don’t know how to create tags for cards.
Any feedback/questions on the list is/are greatly welcome.
In the main I’m still not sold on Eternal Scourge, of all the cards I can draw in the deck I’m always least happy to see him, but I still have what to figure out what to replace him with.
I like my side quite a bit, though I’ve yet to actually play against Tron and so I’m considering going down on the Molten Rain.
Has anyone been playing Glorybringer over Stormbreath?
I’ve thought about trying out Glorybringer, as there are certain matchups, like jund, where that 4 damage is better than pro white, but then I think about lingering souls, celestial colonnade, path, lil Gideon, detention sphere, and all of the white creatures that exist, and so I haven’t yet brought myself to try out Glorybringer.
Is it worth it to even try, or is Stormbreath just the better dragon in this format?
With 22 lands and 4 mindstones I hit my curve, which tops at out 5, pretty often. I do enjoy being able to monstrous Stormbreath, but unless my hand is full of no play at all I often find myself casting spells with the mana it would take to make the dargan big.
I understand some people feel there is more consistency with 23 lands, but I’ve flooded just as many times as I’ve been short on mana, neither of which has happened often.
Has anyone else been on a one of Ratchet Bomb in the main? Its a card you have to play around because there are permanents of ours it can hit at all counters #1-5, but it has had so much versatility that I’m nearly always happy to see it.
I see a lot of people only run 3 Blood Moon in the main. I know it’s a terrible card to draw in multiples, but I feel as if it’s a card I always want to see witching the first 4 turns as it just slows our opoenets down so damn much, and in some cases just outright wins the game. How was everyone felt with just 3?
Currently my list is identical to the one Trevor May ran a few months back, with the only change being the two Anger of the Gods are now Sweltering Suns.
I run a one of Hazoret and I’ve found her to be fantastic. She’s weak to path, which stormbreath is not, but she can block shadows, champions of the parish, eldrazi, and other massive creatures. She can’t be bolted down, terminate, push, maelstrom pulse, oblivion stone, supreme verdict. All removal that can’t touch her. She lets me feel better about running 4 MB Blood moons as I can user her ability to pitch a moon for damage. Yes, she is limited by our handsize, but we are deck of mostly permanents, so it doesn’t hurt us to try to empty our hand onto the board. She is also one mana cheaper than Stormbreath, but I couldn’t fault someone for running for of that beast of a dargan.
I feel like one of the weakest cards in the deck is eternal scourge. I understand his synergy, but I’m just considering replacing the two in my maindeck with two goblin rabllemaster. What do you all think scourge and possible replacements?
Has anyone else been on Hazoret? I have one of her in my main and she’s been an absolute house. She’s blatant target for path to exile, but outside of that not too much can get ride of her. She can hit hard, block for days, and can pitch useless cards for some damage. She’s one of the reasons I don’t mind running my 4th maindeck bloodmoon.
Scourge is still a card I don’t know what to do with. Honestly at this point it feels like I’m playing him just to fill two spots up. I know the argument is that reckoner sucks it to removal, but so does scourge, and there have been so many times on my following turn I rather cast something else than recast scourge, though if you’re top decking lands or happen to have the mana a reoccurring blocker/creature can be good. Idk.
I’ve been rocking a maindeck rachet bomb and it has also done wonders. It has used against nearly all decks and forces your opponent to play around it often.
I’m also on Sweltering Suns, but only as a two of. I find that between that, skred, and bolt, there is plenty of main deck removal.
It seems that 22 lands is the consensus. In my own experience this deck has flooded out s few times, and going above 22 lands with 4 mana rocks in the deck seems excessive.
Spitebellows at best is 3 mana for 6 damage and at worst a six drop that doesn’t immedialty impact the board and whose effect may not even prove useful. I would personally cut it from the main for another Chandra, Torch of Defiance. She can hit a critter for 4 and still leave up a permenat for the opponent to contended with. She can burn the opponent, “draw” us into play, or ramp us.
I would really try to find room for the fourth maindeck blood moon. It’s never good to draw multiples, but it’s so good in so many match ups that I want to see it in the first few draws as often as I can. It’s just that powerful.
The scourges have been just OK for me too, but I’ve yet to test anything else in their place. I would try to find room for a third Nalaar couple. They’re so good at grinding and can have some reach with their ability.
Slitebellows->Chandra
Land->Bloodmoon
Commune with Lava-> Pkn
1 Sweltering Suns-> Ratchet Bomb
Rachet bomb has some reach still that out other removal doesn’t.
I bought a foil Hez and altered my Chandra’s and then they announced the pre-con standard decks lol. I’m not too upset as the price of these cards was sure to drop when the rotations hit them. It’s cool that it can help others get into this archetype, though Hez is best as a one of, in my opinion.
I’ve found kozilek’s return to be best for infect and affinity. Against humans it’s okay, but honestly once they start growing rapidly the wipes we have access to usually don’t cut it. It’s here where we bring in roast and dismember.
I’ve traded up Anger of the Gods for Sweltering Suns. Anger does offer us a slightly better game against dredge and Abzan coco and yeah it synergizes with scourge a bit better, but there have been so many game ones where I drew a wipe and it was useless. Eldrazi Tron, Tron, u/w/x Control, Burn, Ad Naus, Storm, B/g/x midrange. The ability to cycle a dead card in game ones has been fantastic, and for the most part it still handles the majority of creature decks the way we want it to.
I’m currently using the list Trevor May topped with back in January, with the only changes being -2 AotG +2 Sweltering Suns. I’ve been crushing many other midrange and control decks. Infect and affinity aren’t too hard. Blood moon honestly just hoses some decks altogether. Ds is 50/50. Etron and tron can be a bit tough, but an early blood moon can sometimes allow us to race them. A Koth and Hez/stormy can kill quick. Molten rain is good stuff. Skreding a land is hilarious. Burn can be a *****, but dragons claw is real good.
Anyways, this is just my .02
Have a 1k today at MTGfirst in MD, so we will see how that goes. Wish me luck dudes!
Hey all! New Skred player here. I traded in my G/W company deck last week and bought Skred. I’m using the list that Trevor May had piloted to top 8. The only difference is that I’ve swapped Anger of the Gods for Sweltering Sun. I suppose this makes the deck weaker to finks, voice, and dredge, but the allure of being able to cycle it in matchups where wipes are not needed was too much.
I played in small 3 round “FNM” tonight. I lost 1-2 to Ad naseumn, but beat both Jeskai and Jund 2-0.
Maindeck Relic of Progenitus and blood moon just proved to be too much for the Jund player. I was able to kill most of this threats and beat him down with Koth, Stormy, and Hazoret.
With Jeskai I just had too many must answer threats. Stormy, Koth, and blood moon wrapped both games up.
I know this isn’t a comprehensive report, but I wanted to comment to express my love for this deck right now and keep the thread going.
Honestly I thought scourge was meh when I first looked at the list, but god damn that dude is resilient. Put in serious blocks against goyfs and returned for the beats vs Jeskai.
Blood moon as always is just a house. So many decks just kind of lose to it.
Hazoret has been an absolute beast. I’m loving her as a one of in the deck.
Currently I have 2 Blood moon in a main. I know there are some matchups the card just offers us a free win against, but there are also plenty of times we either have to discard it, or play around it ourselves quite a bit, making it not the best turn 3 drop, which I imagine is the best time to drop it.
A lot of list I’ve seen doing well run at least 1 manamorphose, I’m thinking about cutting 1 of my 3 dreadbores for one.
Thoughts on these cards?
Match 1 vs Esper Control- My opponent had all of the goodies. Jace, discard suite, removal, souls, snappy. Game 1 I’m on the olay, drop relic turn 1, he plays a serum visions, I dropna mind stone, he drops a search, I resolve a Koth on an open board and beat for 4. He drops land and inquisitions me and takes my Skred. I cast a stormy and beat for 8. He never gets there and dies the next turn. Game 2 was similar. I resolve a turn 3 Chandra and turn 4 p&k. He grabs a Koth Ot of my hand and pushes p&k. I draw into a stormy and Koth and ult Chandra before he can draw a crytpic to bounce. 2-0
Game 2 vs Eldrazi and taxes- Game one my opponent is on the play. It’s a back and forth but he has taken many threats with tidehollow sculler and tks. Starts blinking tks, and the biggest misplay was me not knowing that when it blinks I draw a card. As the game comes to an end he apologizes as he says he’s only been playing magic for 6 months and that the trigger was on him to remind me to draw a card off of tks. I tell him no biggie, as I felt stupid for not paying attention to all of the interactions happening closely enough. Game 2 I got stuck on 3 lands and drew nothing but heavy threats. I lost 0-2, but this has typically been a 50/50 matchup so I chalk it off to human error and variance.
Game 3 vs boggles- Game 1 he opens with leyline and I have a Skred and bolt in hand. Feels bad man. He casts a boggle and passes. By turn 3 his boggle is a 4/2 and he has me for 7. I drop a Sweltering Suns on my turn 3. He doesn’t draw another threat and I take over the game with Koth, p&k, and stormy. Game 2 I side out all of my Skreds and bolts. Bring in my anger of the gods, kozi’s return, rabble masters, and molten rain. I get him to 1 life but he gets there before I do. Game 3 he mulls to 6 and keeps it. Opens with 2 leyline and I’m on the play. Drop a land and pass. He plays a boggle, drop a mindstone and pass. He gets his boggle up to a 4/4 and swings. Turn 3 I drop a blood moon. He is sitting on two razorverge thicket. He drops a temple garden and hits me again. I drop a stormy and leave up for blocks. He plays a land and passes. I draw, play a land, cast p&k and pass. He plays a land and passes. I draw Haz, play a land, cast her, Skred her and bolt her, and then swing her and stormy in. He scoops. 2-1. Thank ******* god for blood moon, also our side really sucks here. Wish I would have drawn into the ratchet bomb in my main. This game seems favored for them without blood moon. Being able to create massive threats that fly and have protection from creatures feel bad mane.
Game 4 va red green eldrazi- Game 1 I play a turn 3 Koth, turn 4 dragon. He hits no temples and cast bb elf bolting and killing Koth. I play p&k and just get there with the dragon. The next two games are a grind. We go to time, but I lose both those games. Game 2 he got the nuts and he s turn 2 tks and turn 3 reality smasher I roast the smasher and dismember the tks. He draws into another smasher and I die real hard. Game 3 I get him under a blood moon, but I never get past 4 mana and have two dragons in hand, I’m slinging some removal but can’t get past smasher. These matchups feel depended on whoever deploys a heavy hitter first and can start racing, as most of our removal can’t take down tks and smasher until turns 4-5. Lost 1-2
This isn’t a heavily detailed report. Some thoughts:
- I didn’t get to see Hazoret as much as I would have liked, but she does work, and would have loved to have her handle those smashers in the last game, though I know dismember is a card.
Most of the games felt good. Never felt completely blown out. Boggles was definitely the most terrifying.
Eternal Scourge is a card I absolutely hate. It’s a 3 for a 3/3. In this current modern meta that just feels so bad. Yes, you can (potentially) re-cast him and grind, but in my experiences if you have to do that you’re on the back peddle, and he almost never turns the corner and rarely buys you any significant time to stabailize. Half of the time he doesn’t get re-cast because on turns 4-5 you have better spells to deploy, and if you don’t, you’re probably a bit boned. He has some nifty interactions with relic and Chandra, but they all just seem cute at best. I’m considering trying out reckoner in his spot, or direfleet daredevil. Being able to drop daredevil on 3 and cast a serum visons, bolt, stirrings, discard seems so much better. Sure, maybe there is no target for him on turn 3, or maybe you’ve already cleared the yards with relic, but at least there is potential. Scoure will always be vanilla, and without a relic up he becomes the most basic of 3/3s in combat.
Please forgive my grammar and spelling. I’m typing this on my phone while I’m visiting the fam.
I’ll write up a tourney report after.
Any tips for a new player to the deck. Any must watch videos or guides someone can link me to? I've heard it's hard to pilot, but very rewarding to those who can pilot it well. This is honestly one fo the biggest draws for me. Love a good challenge and am ready to learn!
Creatures:9
1 Hazoret the Fervent
2 Eternal Scourge
3 Pia and Kiran Nalaar
3 Stormbreath Dragon
Sorcery:2
2 Sweltering Suns
Instants:8
4 Skred
4 Lightning Bolt
Planeswalkers:6
4 Koth of the Hammer
2 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
Artifacts:9
1 Ratchet Bomb
4 Relic of Progenitus
4 Mind Stone
Enchantments:4
4 Blood Moon
Lands:22
2 Scrying Sheets
1 Mouth of Ronom
4 Blood Moon
19 Snow-Covered Mountain
Sideboard
1 Kozilek's Return
1 Roast
1 Dismember
1 Ricochet Trap
2 Shattering Spree
3 Dragon's Claw
4 Molten Rain
2 Goblin Rabblemaster
Sorry for the formatting here. I’m still a bit new to the site and don’t know how to create tags for cards.
Any feedback/questions on the list is/are greatly welcome.
In the main I’m still not sold on Eternal Scourge, of all the cards I can draw in the deck I’m always least happy to see him, but I still have what to figure out what to replace him with.
I like my side quite a bit, though I’ve yet to actually play against Tron and so I’m considering going down on the Molten Rain.
I’ve thought about trying out Glorybringer, as there are certain matchups, like jund, where that 4 damage is better than pro white, but then I think about lingering souls, celestial colonnade, path, lil Gideon, detention sphere, and all of the white creatures that exist, and so I haven’t yet brought myself to try out Glorybringer.
Is it worth it to even try, or is Stormbreath just the better dragon in this format?
I understand some people feel there is more consistency with 23 lands, but I’ve flooded just as many times as I’ve been short on mana, neither of which has happened often.
Has anyone else been on a one of Ratchet Bomb in the main? Its a card you have to play around because there are permanents of ours it can hit at all counters #1-5, but it has had so much versatility that I’m nearly always happy to see it.
I see a lot of people only run 3 Blood Moon in the main. I know it’s a terrible card to draw in multiples, but I feel as if it’s a card I always want to see witching the first 4 turns as it just slows our opoenets down so damn much, and in some cases just outright wins the game. How was everyone felt with just 3?
I run a one of Hazoret and I’ve found her to be fantastic. She’s weak to path, which stormbreath is not, but she can block shadows, champions of the parish, eldrazi, and other massive creatures. She can’t be bolted down, terminate, push, maelstrom pulse, oblivion stone, supreme verdict. All removal that can’t touch her. She lets me feel better about running 4 MB Blood moons as I can user her ability to pitch a moon for damage. Yes, she is limited by our handsize, but we are deck of mostly permanents, so it doesn’t hurt us to try to empty our hand onto the board. She is also one mana cheaper than Stormbreath, but I couldn’t fault someone for running for of that beast of a dargan.
I feel like one of the weakest cards in the deck is eternal scourge. I understand his synergy, but I’m just considering replacing the two in my maindeck with two goblin rabllemaster. What do you all think scourge and possible replacements?
Scourge is still a card I don’t know what to do with. Honestly at this point it feels like I’m playing him just to fill two spots up. I know the argument is that reckoner sucks it to removal, but so does scourge, and there have been so many times on my following turn I rather cast something else than recast scourge, though if you’re top decking lands or happen to have the mana a reoccurring blocker/creature can be good. Idk.
I’ve been rocking a maindeck rachet bomb and it has also done wonders. It has used against nearly all decks and forces your opponent to play around it often.
It seems that 22 lands is the consensus. In my own experience this deck has flooded out s few times, and going above 22 lands with 4 mana rocks in the deck seems excessive.
Spitebellows at best is 3 mana for 6 damage and at worst a six drop that doesn’t immedialty impact the board and whose effect may not even prove useful. I would personally cut it from the main for another Chandra, Torch of Defiance. She can hit a critter for 4 and still leave up a permenat for the opponent to contended with. She can burn the opponent, “draw” us into play, or ramp us.
I would really try to find room for the fourth maindeck blood moon. It’s never good to draw multiples, but it’s so good in so many match ups that I want to see it in the first few draws as often as I can. It’s just that powerful.
The scourges have been just OK for me too, but I’ve yet to test anything else in their place. I would try to find room for a third Nalaar couple. They’re so good at grinding and can have some reach with their ability.
Slitebellows->Chandra
Land->Bloodmoon
Commune with Lava-> Pkn
1 Sweltering Suns-> Ratchet Bomb
Rachet bomb has some reach still that out other removal doesn’t.
I’ve found kozilek’s return to be best for infect and affinity. Against humans it’s okay, but honestly once they start growing rapidly the wipes we have access to usually don’t cut it. It’s here where we bring in roast and dismember.
I’ve traded up Anger of the Gods for Sweltering Suns. Anger does offer us a slightly better game against dredge and Abzan coco and yeah it synergizes with scourge a bit better, but there have been so many game ones where I drew a wipe and it was useless. Eldrazi Tron, Tron, u/w/x Control, Burn, Ad Naus, Storm, B/g/x midrange. The ability to cycle a dead card in game ones has been fantastic, and for the most part it still handles the majority of creature decks the way we want it to.
I’m currently using the list Trevor May topped with back in January, with the only changes being -2 AotG +2 Sweltering Suns. I’ve been crushing many other midrange and control decks. Infect and affinity aren’t too hard. Blood moon honestly just hoses some decks altogether. Ds is 50/50. Etron and tron can be a bit tough, but an early blood moon can sometimes allow us to race them. A Koth and Hez/stormy can kill quick. Molten rain is good stuff. Skreding a land is hilarious. Burn can be a *****, but dragons claw is real good.
Anyways, this is just my .02
Have a 1k today at MTGfirst in MD, so we will see how that goes. Wish me luck dudes!
I played in small 3 round “FNM” tonight. I lost 1-2 to Ad naseumn, but beat both Jeskai and Jund 2-0.
Maindeck Relic of Progenitus and blood moon just proved to be too much for the Jund player. I was able to kill most of this threats and beat him down with Koth, Stormy, and Hazoret.
With Jeskai I just had too many must answer threats. Stormy, Koth, and blood moon wrapped both games up.
I know this isn’t a comprehensive report, but I wanted to comment to express my love for this deck right now and keep the thread going.
Honestly I thought scourge was meh when I first looked at the list, but god damn that dude is resilient. Put in serious blocks against goyfs and returned for the beats vs Jeskai.
Blood moon as always is just a house. So many decks just kind of lose to it.
Hazoret has been an absolute beast. I’m loving her as a one of in the deck.
Do we just straight up lose to Ad Nauseam?
Has anyone else tested Sweltering Suns?