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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Quote from Eternalman »
    but they could be doing something wrong couldn't they? To claim they aren't as if it's 100 percent fact without evidence shows bias.

    What are they doing wrong? They are Tier 1 but so are other decks. They don't win before T4. Wizards just said the format was "healthy" in October, and big mana decks look the same today as they did in October. There's no need to show any additional evidence beyond that. We've looked at a half dozen metagame analyses since October; that was the evidence. We know what "healthy" looks like and we know the format looks like. There's no bias here whatsoever.


    They are stifling control and hurting slow midrange. That's what they are doing wrong.

    Play 100 games vs them with a pure control deck that isn't built to beat big mana and tell me otherwise.



    The bias is the definition of healthy. That's where the bias lies. Wizards is managing this game terribly and you stand by them when they say the game is healthy.

    Hearthstone developers said the same thing and Thier game is faaaaar from healthy.

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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from thnkr »
    if your admitting it's a terrible matchup than why are you defending its negative effect on midrange and control?

    Also why are you asking for proof of such a thing in the first place if you admit to the matchups being terrible?


    At what point did I admit to the matchups being terrible? I have my own opinions, but I am not going to state them without some evidence. Thus, I have said nothing about that matchup.


    If someone says man that matchup is tough from my experience and you say prove it, how are you being productive in the argument at all.


    I am simply asking that they show how they arrived at that conclusion. I'm not saying it's true, nor am I saying it's not true. I'm simply asking for them to fulfill their burden of proof.


    All your doing is refuting everyone unless they have data? Anecdotal means zilch in this world does it? Because I disagree. And when enough pros and players have said it. It cannot be ignored. That in of itself, Is a form of data.

    How many percent of players find tron unfun and polarizing. Investigate, then if its true act on it.


    Simply because " enough pros" said something is true, or, that enough players have said it, does not make it true.

    So yes to answer your question there is currently no data to prove such a claim. However that does not mean it doesn't have the potential to be true.


    The person who made the original claim claimed that there was evidence to prove their claim. All I'm asking for is that evidence that they claimed existed.

    EDIT: Are you avoiding a suspension?
    but you are saying it's untrue. The bias is in your tone and condescension. It's even in your crappy little write up's you do aswell.

    Enough people say something there has to be truth to it.
    Other wise what's the point to opinions.

    Dredge got banned because it made sideboard games of unfun.

    Tron makes fair games unfun and is in 2 forms eldrazi and non eldrazi. Tron lands are pillar in modern. That is unhealthy Imo. just admit you disagree. And that you have no idea. And stop discrediting what many have said because it makes you look like a know it all ignorant prick.



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  • posted a message on The State of Modern Thread (Rules Update 27/10/17)
    Quote from ktkenshinx »
    Quote from Stryker89 »
    but is it healthy if there are enough 45/55 matchups in the top tiers of the game? Enough to push out an entire archtype and even hurt another simultaneously?

    Yes, that is healthy. Otherwise there is a 50/50 deck that is the de-facto best deck. Wizards tends to ban cards from those decks. See Stoddard's February 2016 article:
    https://magic.wizards.com/en/articles/archive/latest-developments/using-real-world-data-2016-02-11

    "The first, most obvious thing to look for is whether or not any deck has a positive matchup against every other major deck in the field. When your worst matchup is the mirror, chances are you are going to get banned. Even if, in the real world, the deck hasn't won a lot of tournaments, this is a clear sign that it is poised to take over at some point, and we should probably act sooner rather than later."
    Does that mean the archtype needs help or does this mean that the number of decks in the top tiers that beat this archtype/s is unhealthy?

    Sure. If fair decks aren't in the top-tier, Wizards should give them help. But helping those decks doesn't mean hurting other decks that aren't doing anything wrong.
    And people just kept Not playing
    Control and instead played more of an aggressive strategy to race these big mana decks?
    but they could be doing something wrong couldn't they? To claim they aren't as if it's 100 percent fact without evidence shows bias.


    Where is pure control In the top tier? It does decent vs aggro and midrange. Your saying that tron lands have nothing to do with that... Really man?
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