@GJ
He can probably move his town reads around easier than, his scum leans, as a wolf, ZDS, I mean
Also I decided I'm not going to let other people's thoughts interfere with my reads this game
GJ, why do I feel like you aren't all there? It feels like you are saying words, but Im not getting the feeling you care, maybe it's too early for this kind of read
Lastly, I think ZDS has given the best read of me so far, "He isn't playing like his wolf or town game",
I am dealing with house stuff, plus other things. Keep in mind, that we have 2 players who haven't done almost anything from a hunting perspective, which while it doesn't sound like a lot, is more than 25% of the playerbase. In addition, it's end of year, so really busy time.
Right now, where I am sitting at is
GJ
ZDS
Rhand
Wisp
Grape
Null: HR/Poke
The one issue or perhaps benefit with Grape is that while he is my lowest read, there are two players I can't see him as buddies with (HR or
HR is probably slightly worse than poke, but it's really because Poke hasn't done anything, and HR hasn't really added anything to his ZDS vote, and I want to see him react more now that everyone else has responded to him, apart from poke.
I feel like there are a lot of strong town voices. Even grape, I am not crazy about as a wolf right now. Rhand re-evaluating ZDS is a good look.
I go to Michigan in a few days, so I will be phone only until the 3rd. Trying not to swarm the thread, but yeah.
I can still post, but expect typos, and not being aBLE TO quote as well as I can currently. Might have to do full quotes, even though I prefer partials.
I am getting paranoid. ZDS is my only real town lean right now. I was liking Rhand, but he kind of vanished. I struggle to follow his mindset even when he is town, but not sure why he would lean Grape town from the page 1 interaction with ZDS.
Wisp, I feel like I get a bead on you early most games, and not feeling it this one.
Almost missed this:
GJ feels fine too. A bit worried that he is trying to pocket me. But I like bouncing thoughts off him and his answers don’t feel malicious.
Rhand, I know you have been in games where I have said this numerous times: I don't pocket as either alignment. I don't like to, I think it's way too predictable, and am never super comfortable with it as I can either pocket a wolf/my pocket can turn on me.
I don't disagree with that. But I also don't think ZDS is the wolf here.
honestly I might just scrap the read since it probably was too hasty
I personally think town!ZDS has an easier time switching around his reads
Prisoner BLock, ZDS had flex in his reads, at least I recall him u-turning on me. He is a long time player, he can move his reads pretty naturally (from my perspective).
Waiting to hear from HR, but not a huge fan of him either. But I think even more so than grape/ZDS, I don't think Grape/HR are w/w. Way too buddy buddy, especially with the vote synch up.
I am not wolf reading HR right now, but I don't see how you can say his posts are only coming from a town perspective, when wolves are easily going to have the same problem it appears.
I hate asking questions like this, but does HR have a wolf meta here yet? I only remember Secret Agent, and one other game I know he was town, but I can't recall it.
Also curious about what HR thinks about his silver going right after his gold. Bronze here feels awkward as well.
And what I mean by that is it felt...forced. I don't think you really agree or disagree at that point to mention it, or at least say something that doubts it. You instead took a stronger stance which felt out of place.
No. You just blanketly said scum ping, while ZDS actually went into detail into why he didn't like Rhand.
It's not that I didn't care about Highroller's despair and not getting the full value of whatever flavor claiming he does Actually, I don't care. I don't think it's relevant, it's not worth thinking about, but probably the most important, it's not something I think he says that takes him out of his town or wolf range. I didn't really see any reaction from Wisp or Rhand that would also strike me as more town or wolf in response *shrugs*.
It's why I don't typically enjoy RVS. I could probably strike 40+ posts from the front page (including most of my own) and pretend they don't exist, and I could still probably solve as well as I could normally, if that makes sense.
To me, what I didn't like about your intro is that I don't really get the early wisp town read to the point you disagreed with ZDS. Like, did Wisp get to a point that you felt the need to mention your disagreement?
I get that it was post 20 but I thought there were a few interesting threads to pursue even at that stage that Rhand showed no interest in. Notably HR's musings about a decider and Wisp. Pokechu not realizing I voted myself also might have been worth a poke. And I do get that what's interesting is subjective, which is why all it garnered is a FoS not a vote
Was there really? It was mostly ***** posting and me *****ing about that time us, Wisp and Tubba were wolves. And Highroller complaining about not doing his flavor thing. Nothing really struck to me as conversation until ZDS came in and voted Rhand, and Rhand OMGUS'd ZDS.
As for the game itself: in a micro like this the first day has a heightened importance so while I might be projecting I'd expect a twitchy RVS. We have had a little of that (see Rhand and ZDS and you a bit) but you brushing things off as putting too much importance in the first x posts when there aren't really votes flying just feels off to me. But I also sort of want to town read as you're relaxed and didn't get too defensive when you realized I'd said Rhand pinged me before ZDS mentioned it. I'm very conflicted.
Yeah, but it doesn't help when people aren't posting that much. Like, have Highroller or Poke actually made a post that wasn't a goof off post? It's a 7 player game, maybe both of them are wolves and everyone else talking is town (I don't actually believe that. But they are obviously rand alignment in my mind).
For the record, I usually ***** about the speed of the game being too slow. I find it amusing that I am almost taking the opposite approach. Shorter game or not.
But I also sort of want to town read as you're relaxed and didn't get too defensive when you realized I'd said Rhand pinged me before ZDS mentioned it. I'm very conflicted.
Why? The doesn't make sense. I don't typically get defensive when I am a wolf. And town frustration doesn't build until I have more than 2 people pressuring me for what I think is bull*****. I wasn't very relaxed in our game when day 4 came around and shadow was still alive.
As far as my read on Wisp goes, it's relatively null. He hasn't really pinged me one way or the other.
It was actually two things. One was suspecting you (for largely the same reason if not the same actual posts, for me it was the mechanical talk more than the LW softball which was fine.) but the more important one was the process on LW. I think he drew the exact wrong conclusion from it but I don't think that scum would speculate about his claim like that and decide to push him over it. It just felt like town trying to play the possibilities with LW openly talking about his role.
Dude, that was post 20. If he was talking mechanics on post 400, then I could at least see it as busy work, trying to look hunty.
The bolded, which is the more important one per you, I don't understand what you are saying.
Also I am here, you are reading. Talk to me. I am dying for interaction and trying not to spam the thread for once. So people like HR and you don't feel overwhelmed.
Highroller, this is the perfect type of game to branch out and try to post more than once every other day. Especially before I lose my computer and have to resort to phone typing.
Yeah that game was disgraceful by me. I've had a few of them lately but that was especially bad. Almost as bad as the team event we did a few years back.
I've had a few awesome scum wins but they are depressingly long ago. Time to change that.
It's fun having HR and Rhand in the game. I believe they are the two players on opposite poles when it comes to reading me. I don't think Rhand has ever not had a strong read on me by the end of D1. Doesn't mean he's been right, just always confident.
@HR there are a limited number of things to decide. I'm sure you could make a decent guess as to what they could be. Now angel of death in a bit more ambiguous.
Small town read on Wisp and HR. Minor scum ping on Rhand.
And this happened before ZDS made his move.
That “minor scum ping on Rhand” would be incentive for mafia!ZDS to launch an attack. I don’t think it works the other way around?
I think it makes more sense if Grape is misguided town that saw someone talk about his scum read and figured that that was “solid” just because of who the post was about.
I think you are putting way too much stock into the first page of posts that people make. Fair enough though on him pinging you before ZDS's point.
@GJ
ya well, you also didn't say, "No it isn't?"
there are townier ways to disagree with opinions outside just straight up attacking them without giving your thoughts,
now if had asked grape why he thought that, while excluding the shade, my opinion would be different, hence why I don't hate the fact that you disagree not particularly keen on what you have been doing so far though
but it's still early in the day
My brain hurts. I have been spending the last 30 minutes, trying to talk poker with morons who want to raise pre, play fit or fold, hit the backdoor flush and trying to find a fold. Really ******* annoying.
I don't think ZDS is a wolf off of this. I can't really expand this idea further, but he reminds me of me (arrogant bastard that I am).
Of the whole page 1, I probably like Grape the least so far.
My feeling is that mafia!ZDS saw town!Grape say he had a light scum ping on me and figured that a push in my direction would get a following.
If anything, I got the opposite response. TownZDS thought he found something, and grape decided for an early barn. He is pushing me because he thinks I look hedgey, which is absurd this early, but he is using me as a sounding board which reads more townie to me.
@ZDS look at Wisp’s answers and tell me again how my question isn’t game related? It is just as much game related as asking someone why they didn’t ask the mod a question.
I still don’t get why you post both the question and the answer in one post rather than deleting the question when you see it’s answered.
OMGUS can be a natural adverse reaction to what you feel is an unfair attack, or it can be a calculated attempt to discredit both the attack and the attacker.
Which one do you think Rhand is doing?
I'm not going to jump at your throat if I don't like your answer... as long as you actually commit to a stance and stop the "on the one hand this, on the other hand that" dance.
Interesting question. I would like to see your own answer to it as well.
I’m pretty sure the bolded means ZDS and GJ are unaligned.
Note to self. ZDS, if we are ever partners, we just need to tickle each other chins and if one goes down, the other is insta locked
I would like to see your own answer to it as well.
I mean, considering his vote on you, hasn't he already answered this question? o-0
I am dealing with house stuff, plus other things. Keep in mind, that we have 2 players who haven't done almost anything from a hunting perspective, which while it doesn't sound like a lot, is more than 25% of the playerbase. In addition, it's end of year, so really busy time.
Right now, where I am sitting at is
GJ
ZDS
Rhand
Wisp
Grape
Null: HR/Poke
The one issue or perhaps benefit with Grape is that while he is my lowest read, there are two players I can't see him as buddies with (HR or
HR is probably slightly worse than poke, but it's really because Poke hasn't done anything, and HR hasn't really added anything to his ZDS vote, and I want to see him react more now that everyone else has responded to him, apart from poke.
I feel like there are a lot of strong town voices. Even grape, I am not crazy about as a wolf right now. Rhand re-evaluating ZDS is a good look.
I can still post, but expect typos, and not being aBLE TO quote as well as I can currently. Might have to do full quotes, even though I prefer partials.
I am getting paranoid. ZDS is my only real town lean right now. I was liking Rhand, but he kind of vanished. I struggle to follow his mindset even when he is town, but not sure why he would lean Grape town from the page 1 interaction with ZDS.
Wisp, I feel like I get a bead on you early most games, and not feeling it this one.
Almost missed this:
Rhand, I know you have been in games where I have said this numerous times: I don't pocket as either alignment. I don't like to, I think it's way too predictable, and am never super comfortable with it as I can either pocket a wolf/my pocket can turn on me.
Prisoner BLock, ZDS had flex in his reads, at least I recall him u-turning on me. He is a long time player, he can move his reads pretty naturally (from my perspective).
Waiting to hear from HR, but not a huge fan of him either. But I think even more so than grape/ZDS, I don't think Grape/HR are w/w. Way too buddy buddy, especially with the vote synch up.
I hate asking questions like this, but does HR have a wolf meta here yet? I only remember Secret Agent, and one other game I know he was town, but I can't recall it.
Also curious about what HR thinks about his silver going right after his gold. Bronze here feels awkward as well.
It's not that I didn't care about Highroller's despair and not getting the full value of whatever flavor claiming he does Actually, I don't care. I don't think it's relevant, it's not worth thinking about, but probably the most important, it's not something I think he says that takes him out of his town or wolf range. I didn't really see any reaction from Wisp or Rhand that would also strike me as more town or wolf in response *shrugs*.
It's why I don't typically enjoy RVS. I could probably strike 40+ posts from the front page (including most of my own) and pretend they don't exist, and I could still probably solve as well as I could normally, if that makes sense.
To me, what I didn't like about your intro is that I don't really get the early wisp town read to the point you disagreed with ZDS. Like, did Wisp get to a point that you felt the need to mention your disagreement?
Was there really? It was mostly ***** posting and me *****ing about that time us, Wisp and Tubba were wolves. And Highroller complaining about not doing his flavor thing. Nothing really struck to me as conversation until ZDS came in and voted Rhand, and Rhand OMGUS'd ZDS.
Yeah, but it doesn't help when people aren't posting that much. Like, have Highroller or Poke actually made a post that wasn't a goof off post? It's a 7 player game, maybe both of them are wolves and everyone else talking is town (I don't actually believe that. But they are obviously rand alignment in my mind).
For the record, I usually ***** about the speed of the game being too slow. I find it amusing that I am almost taking the opposite approach. Shorter game or not.
Why? The doesn't make sense. I don't typically get defensive when I am a wolf. And town frustration doesn't build until I have more than 2 people pressuring me for what I think is bull*****. I wasn't very relaxed in our game when day 4 came around and shadow was still alive.
As far as my read on Wisp goes, it's relatively null. He hasn't really pinged me one way or the other.
Dude, that was post 20. If he was talking mechanics on post 400, then I could at least see it as busy work, trying to look hunty.
The bolded, which is the more important one per you, I don't understand what you are saying.
Also I am here, you are reading. Talk to me. I am dying for interaction and trying not to spam the thread for once. So people like HR and you don't feel overwhelmed.
I think you are putting way too much stock into the first page of posts that people make. Fair enough though on him pinging you before ZDS's point.
If anything, I got the opposite response. TownZDS thought he found something, and grape decided for an early barn. He is pushing me because he thinks I look hedgey, which is absurd this early, but he is using me as a sounding board which reads more townie to me.
Note to self. ZDS, if we are ever partners, we just need to tickle each other chins and if one goes down, the other is insta locked
I mean, considering his vote on you, hasn't he already answered this question? o-0