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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Slothful »
    Ok, gamble time:

    Proposal 4.5: Rhand, Sloth, GJ, Umami

    This might be a bad reason, but Vaimes has not really shined as town to me lately, and I want to resolve this game.

    GJ's scum. He's rung opportunistic and manipulative to me this entire proposal.
    GJ/Umami is possible, but if GJ is just scum whose only goal is to vote "no" on every mission that doesn't include him as a default strategy, whether or not he voted to pass the proposals that would have won his team the game becomes irrelevant, so GJ/Vaimes becomes more likely.
    I don't get play like that, but I cannot think of any other explanation.

    If this passes, there was only one scum, and it was GJ. Mission 5 should be me/Rhand/Umami/KJ.

    If this fails, gg scum. I have no clue why you would play it this way, though I cannot argue with the results.

    Alright, go on and vote - P.S. I better get a freaking medal for being the only player that's been using the approved format for proposals. GLGL


    Dude. If this passes, it means I am lock clear you to chuckle head. Unless your argument is that a rebel voted no on mission 2 for the lols.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Vaimes »


    Make your proposal so this game can get moving. If it comes down to a coinflip, then so it goes.


    The game is actually solved if Vaimes is a rebel from his perspective. Is he acting like its solved?
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Why is the game not solved for you, and why are you acting like it's not solved?
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Slothful »
    Look at his list again: [(1) There is no way he lists Umani on a mission where he is a rebel and knows sloth isn't a spy]. Since Sloth isn't a spy as today isn't ending, if Vaimes was a rebel, he would KNOW that Umani would have to be a spy here, [(2)which means that he was the no vote on mission 3], [(3)and the other two are shadow KJ].
    I don't follow what you're saying about Vaimes:

    (1) do you mean proposal 4.1? or #712? In 4.1, it jibes with him thinking I was scum over Umami, which he was vocal about at the time. In #712, he's explaining why he voted no on 4.2 (believes scum in Shadow & {me/Umami}). These aren't "obviously true" reasons (they could be lies), but they are plausible enough, so I'm not seeing what tilted you about them.
    What do you mean specially for the bolded/underlined? In a world where he is rebel, how would he know I'm not spy? It wasn't "clear" till this round of proposals.

    (2) Vaimes...was not in mission 3, which was you/Rhand/Umami. He was in mission 2, I assume that's what you mean here.

    (3) ...so, wait, it's no longer Rhand/Vaimes to you? It's Vaimes/KJ/Shadow?

    As for,
    I am in a world where it's Vaimes/Rhand as spies
    You need to explain in what world would Rhand vote to reject 4.1 as scum, with Vaimes (or Umami). Why would he do that, that makes no sense - why do you think he's scum at this point?



    You care about votes FAR too much, especially on this particular set of things. He doesn't need to fail this mission, he just needs this mission OR THE NEXT ONE to fail. The next one is far easier to fail.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Slothful »
    Look at his list again: [(1) There is no way he lists Umani on a mission where he is a rebel and knows sloth isn't a spy]. Since Sloth isn't a spy as today isn't ending, if Vaimes was a rebel, he would KNOW that Umani would have to be a spy here, [(2)which means that he was the no vote on mission 3], [(3)and the other two are shadow KJ].
    I don't follow what you're saying about Vaimes:

    (1) do you mean proposal 4.1? or #712? In 4.1, it jibes with him thinking I was scum over Umami, which he was vocal about at the time. In #712, he's explaining why he voted no on 4.2 (believes scum in Shadow & {me/Umami}). These aren't "obviously true" reasons (they could be lies), but they are plausible enough, so I'm not seeing what tilted you about them.
    What do you mean specially for the bolded/underlined? In a world where he is rebel, how would he know I'm not spy? It wasn't "clear" till this round of proposals.

    (2) Vaimes...was not in mission 3, which was you/Rhand/Umami. He was in mission 2, I assume that's what you mean here.

    (3) ...so, wait, it's no longer Rhand/Vaimes to you? It's Vaimes/KJ/Shadow?

    As for,
    I am in a world where it's Vaimes/Rhand as spies
    You need to explain in what world would Rhand vote to reject 4.1 as scum, with Vaimes (or Umami). Why would he do that, that makes no sense - why do you think he's scum at this point?


    The game is solved from Vaimes perspective.

    1). You haven't nominated a team, meaning you are a rebel because you could win right now.

    2). Since you have to be a rebel, and he is a rebel, the only rebel from mission 2 would be Umani.

    3). No one other than you have this silly idea that there were two spies on mission 3, so Umani as a spy makes sense.

    4). Since Mission 3 only had a single fail, it would mean that he should safety say that KJ/Shadow are the final spies.

    Let's say he does buy into me and Umani as buddies, look at this list:

    Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, Umami


    Why would he not suggest himself over Umani, since he is not only allowing a known wolf into the pile, but then flipping a coin with shadow because.....why?

    Why not gamble with Shadow and KJ then if he truly buys his theory? It makes absolutely no sense to include Umani in his list for a mission team for you.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Look at his list again: There is no way he lists Umani on a mission where he is a rebel and knows sloth isn't a spy. Since Sloth isn't a spy as today isn't ending, if Vaimes was a rebel, he would KNOW that Umani would have to be a spy here, which means that he was the no vote on mission 3, and the other two are shadow KJ.

    Sloth, you name Yourself/Me/Umani +1. That will pass. Look hard at KJ and Shadow. Pretty hard to do that since neither was on a relevent mission. Probably just a coin flip.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Alright, I am in a world where it's Vaimes/Rhand as spies, and one of KJ/Shadow. Legit no idea which.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Rhand, Shadow, Sloth, Umami

    I have no idea what I was thinking when 4.2 happened. "One spy in Sloth/Umami and shadow maybe a spy," probably.

    Make your proposal so this game can get moving. If it comes down to a coinflip, then so it goes.


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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Slothful »
    In addition, I even admit that that seems like a huge flaw in my view and unlikely in the very post you're referring to, so stop being unhelpful and actually work with me. I refuse to just write off any angles.


    I am being plenty helpful, despite being ignored and immediately labeled as a spy. The fact that you based your world building theory off the fact that me/Umani were spies, and she read my mind (or viceversa) to only allow 1 fail for mission 3 told me from the start, that trying to reason you was off the table.

    Hell, I was really hoping you were the last spy just to end this madness. Today is just an exercise in masochism if you still think I am a spy tomorrow.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Slothful »
    @all knowing Vaimes, how likely would you said it is that he'd propose an all-Town proposal for the wine?


    Irrelevant, as long as I am seen as a spy. Mission 5 will fail. Could believe he nominated 1 spy, cvould believe 0 if Vaimes is a spy.

    Did you mean mindstream 696?
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    2nd line should say 1-2. Meh. I don't even know what I am doing anymore.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    There is 1 spy between Rhand/Umani
    0-1 spy between Rhand/Umani/Vaimes
    1-2 Spies between KJ/Shadow

    That's my view point. Vote counts, I don't really know how to take, becuase if I was a spy, I would just vote no to every single outcome, or vote seemingly at random. Trying to sweep this round is far more risky than just assuming the rebels succeed mission 5. As long as I am an outcast, mission 5 is dead anyway, so there.

    The fact that I watched you try to build teams, and realize they don't work, BUT STILL kept me on them is lolsy beyond imagination. Biggest point against Rhand is that he hasn't tried at all. My issue at this point is that if it is Rhand, the other wolf from mission 1 is exactly vaimes. Is that possible? Sure, but then that leaves the one wolf between KJ/Shadow.

    That's where I am at right now. If Umani is the wolf, team is exactly Umani/Shadow/KJ. That makes life so much easier for me
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Slothful »
    @GJ Do you have reads this game? because I don't remember them. Tell me what they are and point me to the relevant posts, please.


    Not particularly. I find it incredibly difficult to read people when everyonme has the same motivation.

    Also, I can't actually take a post of yours seriously as long as you continue to wolf read me along side Umani. :foldsarms:
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Vaimes »


    Smile

    Welp, I hope Sloth wasn't the spy from mission 2.
    ^ fake


    Not hardly. I would have just accepted last mission if it was Wink

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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    You rushed a nomination, what did you think would happen?
    Rolleyes
    I literally said what my nomination was going to be days ago.


    Smile

    Welp, I hope Sloth wasn't the spy from mission 2.
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