I have the name "Observer", and I rock targeted Rhand.
I got no results, only that I burned my initial upgrade level and upgraded. But no actual results. Assuming Rhand chose paper, or I am wrong about what my role does.
Spoiler: I didn’t.
@ZDS: I was in a weird space where I had developed scumreads on both of you, but was also convinced you weren’t scum together.
That post did push me to the vote I ended up with.
I think I want to oust GJ now.
I don’t think HR is mafia and I don’t think ZDS and Grape are mafia together, so that leaves ZDS / GJ and Grape / GJ.
I’m gonna try to figure out Grape / ZDS this phase.
You really think that I am wolves with Grape, after my last response to ZDS?
God damn, I know I am notorious for busing, but Jesus...
I have the name "Observer", and I rock targeted Rhand.
I got no results, only that I burned my initial upgrade level and upgraded. But no actual results. Assuming Rhand chose paper, or I am wrong about what my role does.
First off, I would appreciate it if you mention posts by number, but don't quote them, that you link them.
He is mostly notable for defending Rhand and me vs each other and sort of defending Grape (vs Highroller). He has been scumreading Grape since essentially the beginning, but has been very passive about pushing that read — be it to figure Grape out or to get him bopped. I have a hard time understanding why he (sort of) defended Grape, his (only?) scum-read, against HR.
Apart from trying to solve, I am trying to get into people's heads. I don't have to necessarily agree with it, but is has to make sense. I am not defending Grape, so much as trying to figure out where Highroller is coming from (for today). As far as these other posts:
1) Can you summarise your entire Grape read? How it started, how it evolved, what is its current status.
I feel like this entire game has been him trying to stay off the radar. I can't remember a single read he has apart from suspicion of me and you, and from what I skimmed of EoD, was as away from the game as I was. It started as suspicion, rose to it, but held mostly because I wanted to see more from the two psuedo afks. Hearing from the both, I thought Poke/Wisp were more suspicious, so the former, I voted for, while the latter, I had my own reasons for suspecting. Since there are only two wolves, I figured Grape could back burner, maybe he'd post more without me pushing him and hunt.
As of now, I am assuming he is a wolf with potentially anyone except maybe highroller? I think he has pinged me ever so slightly more, but frankly, I don't think either one would have been bussy with each other this often, and Highroller's opener hit wrong for me, but I can't really say why.
I don't think he is wolves with ZDS either, so I could only imagine him being wolves with Rhand at this point, but I am not getting wolf vibes from Rhand. So I am in a slightly weird spot for my reads.
2) If you are scumreading Grape because of #31, then what about #55 where you said to Rhand "I think you are putting way too much stock into the first page of posts that people make"?
I don't know why you are phrasing this as I am wolf reading him for only 31. Like I didn't base my entire Grape read on that one post, and world built from there. To Rhand's point though, I took his "This seems too ballsy for mafia!Grape" as basically a clear of "wolf X would never say Y". I wasn't ready to call Grape a lock wolf, but Rhand seemed like he was trying to town clear him for those posts.
3) Why did you argue with Highroller about whether me flipping scum would make Grape scum or town, and why did you take the "it would make Grape town" side?
I....what? His entire purpose for Grape's vote on you was that he thought he had such a slam dunk case that Grape felt at that point, if you are a wolf, Grape thought his only choice was to get early credit for a bus. That was one of those HR posts that have been giving me pause about wolf reading Grape. Even for him, that's a REALLY arrogant take on the situation, and if I am wrong on you and HR is right, I think it's far more likely Grape's vote is not a bus. And if Grape was good enough to fool me on that, good for him. For the record, the primary reason I strongly think it's not a bus was how quickly he jumped on. Poke still hadn't posted at that time, nor had I (about ZDS, but from before I was town siding so unless he thinks HR really red handed you, safe to assume where I would stick).
Like, you can quote me on this until end game: The towniest read I have on Grape, is how much I dislike HR logic on why Grape is a wolf.
Not a question, just an FYI about HR latest posts: he is saying that either no scum voted Poke which only leaves Grape and him as possible scum, or at least one scum did which means at least one of [you, Rhand, me] is scum. It's extremely basic wagon analysis, but still worth mentioning.
If that's the case, that's phrased so weirdly. So the short take away I should get from this is in HR's opinion, there are never 2 wolves on Poke?
1. Either Grape and I are both mafia, and every single person who voted Pokechu was town.
OR
2. At least one of the following players is mafia: ZDS, Rhand, and GJ.
Nothing in there says that Grape isn't mafia.
Ok. For situation 2, would it not be that there are two wolves in that pile, or are you saying that Grape is a wolf there? That's where I am getting the disconnect. I can't tell if you are saying either both wolves are on Poke, or if one is. I can't follow your mindset.
1. Either Grape and I are both mafia, and every single person who voted Pokechu was town.
OR
2. At least one of the following players is mafia: ZDS, Rhand, and GJ.
Make of this what you will.
Why are you just auto passing Grape? I assuming there is a type here somewhere, or this is a slip
@Grape: There are 5 people and it's LoL. If you are town, there is a bare bone statistic of 50% chance a player suspecting you is a wolf. I don't get the mindset you are in.
First off, apologies for being basically awol. I was on holiday, and thought the deadline was the Monday after, so I'd have a day and a half to look at.
Clarification, does that mean Kick or Lose? Like, if we don't get a mafia today, we're done?
If so, that confirms we have two mafia. I think it would be in our best interests to not vote for a bit lest the mafia pounce on the opportunity.
I believe we should massclaim, including who we targeted, what we threw, and what results we got, last night.
I would like ZDS to go first, seeing as I believe he's the most suspicious person, and also because I targeted him last night with my ability and I would like to hear what he has to say to give him as little room to fake claim as possible.
And yeah, we have to hit or we lose here. So we need to take this slowly. In favor of a mass claim.
Proposing an order of ZDS>GJ>me>Rhand>HR.
Why do you have yourself in the middle? Over HR/Rhand?
Don't like poke or LW. The formers last past is exactly what a hedge distance post with s buddy would look like.
Grape still hasn't wowed me.
Never voting ZdS, Rhand or HR
Want to vote Grape or poke.
Wisp I have conflicting feelings on
Do you not like Wisp or do you have conflicting feelings? You say both in one post with no reasoning for anything whatsoever.
Hard for me to type out on phone, plus just in a bliss mindset, but i haven't liked his tone/ implication. Reminds me of Sir Chris snd how he reads me as wild vs when he is town.
not to grandstand, but like as the god reader of GJ, I am like 99.9% sure, that dude is literally just a wolf
and I don't think anything outside of me being dead, will change that
unless he completely wows me in the next couple of days
I do not normally play like this anymore, but since this game is small, there isn't many directions to take
@GJ
come out and play please
Im phone posting from Michigan. It's also new year's eve. I won't be wowing anyone.
Also i can't mention things, but you'll forgive me for not taking you at the word of being a God reader of me.
In a 7 player game on page 2, coming from me, one of the busiest*? wolves on mtgs, I would not vote my buddy based on one post from a guy who we are lucky if get a post a day from. I think your reason for voting ZDS is thin. If I am wrong about ZDS, I think it's far more likely Grape is town. And if I were you and I was town, and my two wolfiest people are voting one another, I would be questioning my reads in my head. Maybe not verbally in the thread, but I would at least consider I probably have 1 of them wrong in my head. You, if you are town seem to have the mindset you made a slamdunk vote that was so good, the most likely scenario is Grape is throwing ZDS under a bus as quickly as possible? o-0
Your two top people who you are wolves, per your Gold/silver ranking has the silver voting for the gold.
I am curious what you think about that. I don't think that's natural if they are w/w. Not outside of the realms of possibility closer until the end of day, but you really think that is such a silver bullet that in your mind, Grape has no choice to bus his partner?
If it were me, I'd be rethinking my top two. I don't think Grape/ZDS are ever w/w with how quick the turn around is.
I go to Michigan in a few days, so I will be phone only until the 3rd. Trying not to swarm the thread, but yeah.
I can still post, but expect typos, and not being aBLE TO quote as well as I can currently. Might have to do full quotes, even though I prefer partials.
I am getting paranoid. ZDS is my only real town lean right now. I was liking Rhand, but he kind of vanished. I struggle to follow his mindset even when he is town, but not sure why he would lean Grape town from the page 1 interaction with ZDS.
Wisp, I feel like I get a bead on you early most games, and not feeling it this one.
Almost missed this:
GJ feels fine too. A bit worried that he is trying to pocket me. But I like bouncing thoughts off him and his answers don’t feel malicious.
Rhand, I know you have been in games where I have said this numerous times: I don't pocket as either alignment. I don't like to, I think it's way too predictable, and am never super comfortable with it as I can either pocket a wolf/my pocket can turn on me.
I have given this some thought because I am sure that you do, but maybe it’s semantics.
Do you consider townreading a townie as mafia to be pocketing?
Not even a little bit. Wolves have to post town reads, and can't just read all their wolf buddies as town, and all the town as wolves. Pocketing from what I see is basically brown nosing, and sucking up to everything to say.
You really think that I am wolves with Grape, after my last response to ZDS?
God damn, I know I am notorious for busing, but Jesus...
Maybe it is you and Grape.
I got no results, only that I burned my initial upgrade level and upgraded. But no actual results. Assuming Rhand chose paper, or I am wrong about what my role does.
Apart from trying to solve, I am trying to get into people's heads. I don't have to necessarily agree with it, but is has to make sense. I am not defending Grape, so much as trying to figure out where Highroller is coming from (for today). As far as these other posts:
I feel like this entire game has been him trying to stay off the radar. I can't remember a single read he has apart from suspicion of me and you, and from what I skimmed of EoD, was as away from the game as I was. It started as suspicion, rose to it, but held mostly because I wanted to see more from the two psuedo afks. Hearing from the both, I thought Poke/Wisp were more suspicious, so the former, I voted for, while the latter, I had my own reasons for suspecting. Since there are only two wolves, I figured Grape could back burner, maybe he'd post more without me pushing him and hunt.
As of now, I am assuming he is a wolf with potentially anyone except maybe highroller? I think he has pinged me ever so slightly more, but frankly, I don't think either one would have been bussy with each other this often, and Highroller's opener hit wrong for me, but I can't really say why.
I don't think he is wolves with ZDS either, so I could only imagine him being wolves with Rhand at this point, but I am not getting wolf vibes from Rhand. So I am in a slightly weird spot for my reads.
I don't know why you are phrasing this as I am wolf reading him for only 31. Like I didn't base my entire Grape read on that one post, and world built from there. To Rhand's point though, I took his "This seems too ballsy for mafia!Grape" as basically a clear of "wolf X would never say Y". I wasn't ready to call Grape a lock wolf, but Rhand seemed like he was trying to town clear him for those posts.
I....what? His entire purpose for Grape's vote on you was that he thought he had such a slam dunk case that Grape felt at that point, if you are a wolf, Grape thought his only choice was to get early credit for a bus. That was one of those HR posts that have been giving me pause about wolf reading Grape. Even for him, that's a REALLY arrogant take on the situation, and if I am wrong on you and HR is right, I think it's far more likely Grape's vote is not a bus. And if Grape was good enough to fool me on that, good for him. For the record, the primary reason I strongly think it's not a bus was how quickly he jumped on. Poke still hadn't posted at that time, nor had I (about ZDS, but from before I was town siding so unless he thinks HR really red handed you, safe to assume where I would stick).
Like, you can quote me on this until end game: The towniest read I have on Grape, is how much I dislike HR logic on why Grape is a wolf.
If that's the case, that's phrased so weirdly. So the short take away I should get from this is in HR's opinion, there are never 2 wolves on Poke?
Ok. For situation 2, would it not be that there are two wolves in that pile, or are you saying that Grape is a wolf there? That's where I am getting the disconnect. I can't tell if you are saying either both wolves are on Poke, or if one is. I can't follow your mindset.
I need to reread as well.
Why are you just auto passing Grape? I assuming there is a type here somewhere, or this is a slip
@Grape: There are 5 people and it's LoL. If you are town, there is a bare bone statistic of 50% chance a player suspecting you is a wolf. I don't get the mindset you are in.
Second off:
Why do you have yourself in the middle? Over HR/Rhand?
Hey smart ass. Im phone posting. And on holiday. And my fingers hurt. You'll get your wall tomorrow
Vote Poke
Just b for bold.
But yeah, this is probably just a wolf. Probably with Grape.
Maybe I missed something, but all you have stated is that you have a soul read on me and then.....?
Hard for me to type out on phone, plus just in a bliss mindset, but i haven't liked his tone/ implication. Reminds me of Sir Chris snd how he reads me as wild vs when he is town.
Don't like poke or LW. The formers last past is exactly what a hedge distance post with s buddy would look like.
Grape still hasn't wowed me.
Never voting ZdS, Rhand or HR
Want to vote Grape or poke.
Wisp I have conflicting feelings on
Im phone posting from Michigan. It's also new year's eve. I won't be wowing anyone.
Also i can't mention things, but you'll forgive me for not taking you at the word of being a God reader of me.
I am curious what you think about that. I don't think that's natural if they are w/w. Not outside of the realms of possibility closer until the end of day, but you really think that is such a silver bullet that in your mind, Grape has no choice to bus his partner?
If it were me, I'd be rethinking my top two. I don't think Grape/ZDS are ever w/w with how quick the turn around is.
Not even a little bit. Wolves have to post town reads, and can't just read all their wolf buddies as town, and all the town as wolves. Pocketing from what I see is basically brown nosing, and sucking up to everything to say.