Dragoon, you have to keep in mind that judges can differ in opinion, that's why all judges grade everybody's cards in the final round. If your card was up to judge x, you might be the champion, while judge y might believe someone else should win. Just sayin...
Edit: Dragoon, do what you want. I don't mind getting pms, as long as you don't call all my judgings utter garbage.
I agree that complaining about a set or block always seems to be a fault on its own here. "Naysayers" get bashed as if they were trying to destroy WotC. And their arguments are rarely (if ever) considered. Writing down all the flaws of the set, waiting for some discussion, and recieving "STOP WHINING" as an answer is frustrating enough.
I'm quite surprised this thread stopped at page 17. Maybe there ain't much more to say about the set.
And the impressive (even shocking) lack of discussion on the whole forum at the time seems to indicate that people finally don't care much about it. Even RE's price report is almost ignored and the state of his presales seems to indicate that seller are going to have a hard time with it. Almost no card are seriously discussed in the "new cards discussion" thread. I also saw NO discussion about the intro packs, which are the worst "precons" ever made since I began with Kamigawa.
Basically this whole block doesn't bring ANYTHING new. Oh yes, there's Exalted. EVERYTHING else has already been done, better. I can understand how people could get bored. I'm waiting for next block. Until then Wow cards will have to do.
I assume when you say worst blocks since kamigawa, you are leaving "the rats nest" out? lol. As for now, the price report doesn't seem really good. Keeping in mind alara's prices (minus the planeswalkers of course) maybe i didn't feel like paying $20 for a banefire that some of the vendors were trying to do, or $16 for a Noble Hierach.
You are right about the nothing new idea. I have a painful gut feeling the ALara reborn will be the same, just we will see more domain...
i have to ask before i get to my judgings, how do i judge fan of red's card? I am not quite sure how relevant the contraption thing is. Is there any wierd interactions i should know of aside from what is printed on the card?
Judging below, keep in mind, i judge really hard in this final round, very little leinency and flavor score starts at a 4 . Means you have to wow me to get a 5. Creativity, show me something new.
Balance 6/10
For 5 colors, an instant speed vindicate seems a tad bit on the weak side. It is kinda cool that it can hit spells too, but i believe that it still needs a bit of an oomph to be considered rare.
Flavor 4/5
Impressive flavor.
creativity 3.5/4
Interesting new addition to the wish cycle. I will judge it like it does work.
Balance 4.5/10
This is really REALLY tough to get to. Assuming he doesn't get haste, he will have to survive 5 turns of uninterrupted abilities, just to get to his planeswalker form. And even then, his planeswalker form is laughably weak
Flavor 3.5/5
Pretty good, it is annoying as hell to grade a creature flipped into a planeswalker, but it is decent work.
creativity 3.5/4
Overall, good ideas. Just needed strength.
Balance 9/10
So he has the potential, best case scenario to be a 4/2 for 5 with flying, deathtouch, first strike, trample and lifelink. Even getting just one or two of these things seems like it would work just fine, especially with the flash. Card is great, nice work. Noticed: He is automaticlly flying, even if you flash him into play w/o a spell on the stack.
Flavor 3/5
Good job here. Art is pretty decent. I realize that he has to be blue for the counterspell part, but i feel then he shouldn't get a flying if blue clause then.
creativity 3/4
A fine addition to the draining whelk, mystic snake, creature/counter family.
Balance 7.5/10
I am not going to lie, seems a bit of a wwierdo. i Do like how you tried to give contraption a meaning, but i am still unsure how assembling the contraption would work, so i will assume that you don't need anything else aside from the creatures. Effect seems wierd.
Flavor 3/5
Flavor is good, but i feel that like a couple others, you forced the round requirements in this card. There is no reason for a white, blue, green dragon to have the term non-black. That is usally used on only black cards.
creativity 3.5/4
I like the idea of contraption, but it is nothing too new.
Balance 6.5/10
The body, by itself, is good for the cost. The effect, on the other hand seems kinda wierd. It is a three mana unmake that needs red. The cost for the effect just doesn't seem to make sense
Flavor 3/5
Especially in your card, i feel that the round's requirement was forced. Snakes are in blue and green, but the red white and black maek no real sense.
creativity 2.5/4
Fairly new. Wierd trick/drawback if your opponent is using RWB.
Balance 10/10
This has the potential to be insanely powerful. Especially when you play 5 color and big spells, your army get really strong. I know that jund would splash blue and white just fot his guy, make the token army 6/6s with trample. Fortunately, it is balanced, much like Master Transmuter, but its 2 toughness. Good work
Balance 8.5/10
Gotta admit, first thing that crossed my mind was another version of Tarmogoyf at uncommon level. Now, it feels like a wierd version of wild nactill, but it still seems effective. Good card, good power level.
Flavor 4/5
Good artwork, i like the effect.
creativity 3.5/4
Seems well thought out, good work here good sir.
Balance 9/10
Very impressive split card. Versitile and hates anything wild or chaotic. Good thought out into this design and excellent use of the round requirements.
Flavor 4.5/5
Excellent flavor, the flavor text is good and artwork is great, considering the typical split artwork.
creativity 3/4
Nothing excitingly new, but good card.
Quality 3/4
Your missing 3 its. It should say: "Return target permenant to its owners hand." and: "Return ~ to its owners hand."
PMega20.5/25
Bonus 2/2
Feel like your spitting in the bonus requirement's face, but you are good.
Balance 7.5/10
This card doesn't scream mythic rare to me. It is definitly rare, but the effect and cc isn't big enough to be special. The effect seems like in the right position, could be very good. Fair drawback with it being an artifact, and a creature with 2 toughness.
Flavor 3.5/5
Good, but feels like it should be legendary. Flavor text seems to imply it.
creativity 3.5/4
Excellent work here. Overall good card.
Balance 5.5/10
Ha HA haha hahahaha. Funny and simple to read. This card says i hate everyone at the table and i love it. Good mythic, but it seems kinda weak to be 5 color. The score doesn't reflect my personal opinion...sorry.
Flavor 5/5
Flavor, on the other hand, great card, 5 color makes perfect sense, i do believe flavor test should be used since the box is so empty, but it is not necessary so no deduction.
creativity 2/4
Lose the game has been done a couple times before.
Balance 8/10
For the cost and what it does, i believe it deserves to be a mythic rare. I also believe it is worded wrong, but more on that later. It is a 5 color obliterate that can be countered, but now includes planeswalkers. Impressive card, i think the power level is just right.
Flavor 3/5
I believe that it would have made more sense to say destroy all permenants. If you wanted to avoid regen, you could have added the "wrath clause" it can't be regenerated
Balance 10/10
Has the potential to be seriously abused, but great effect with a perfect drawback. This has got to be one of the better dragon designs i have seen.
Flavor 5/5
Excellent design, beautiful artwork.
creativity 4/4
VEry creative, excellent effect for a dragon to have
Enchant Creature
Malfegor’s Blessing is black.
Enchanted creature gets +4/-1, gains flying, and can’t be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.
Discard three cards from your hand: Attach Malfegor’s Blessing to target creature.
Manifest 3BBB:
To gain his power, you must forfeit your mind.
ill be honest, bolas doesn't seem to be better in this case. I huge part of cruel ultimatum is that you gain 5 life and then draw 3. Since bolas has to survive two turns, in a block format with o-ring and celestial purge, id stick with good old fashion: "im going to do 6 effects with 1 card.
i would just like to thank you masters. I will be improving lucky charms using your lists and give you guys credit for any wins. I don't have a full deck list up yet, but i am running nicol bolas instead of cruel ultimatum for two reason:
a), i am not running any creatures (sole the 1 archangel)
and b), even if i can't go ult with him, i can still reck my opponents pws and steal their creatures.
Also, for the sideboard, how about celestial purge? It seems to do AMAZING against jund, and could do great if grixis makes it big...
What are you collective opinions on running 4 Rhox War Monks MD? They have been pretty good in testing so far, and is a severe roadblock in any aggro strategy.
I don't like the warmonk, it dies to any spell (aside from thunder), and kills the point of having very few permenants....
I really wish there was a bull**** court before a real one. This court's job would be to throw out any case that is absolutely ridiculous and shouldn't be bothered with by a real court. Such as the case of an old couple getting sued by a ROBBER because while attempting to rob the house, the moron slips on a knife and sues for negligence. Or maybe a case where the law is being used to punish the very people the law was meant to protect.
That is the problem with this damned country, why do we care what teenagers do with other teenagers when there are other issues that should grab our attention?
From what i understand, part to the argument is if this law is even fair. The point of this law, as stated before is to protect children from ADULTS, not other children. The age of consent is also complete garbage, i remember a while ago AoK said, what is the difference between someone who is 18 and someone who is 17 and 364 days? That extra day makes no real difference.
@Arcanepie, that is one of the issues i have with AMerica, i am 18 and 6 months. America is the country of freedom, why are teenagers being treated like 2nd class citizens?
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Balance 8/10
So, this card lets you cheat exalted by giving counters to your other permanents? It is an interesting design. The card itself is completely conditional, only being able to be sided in bant aggro, against a red and/or black deck.
Flavor 3/5
The card design is fine, but this is complete disgrace and kick to the balls to bant. The whole point of bant is to send a single creature. I don't like that even in the face of evil, bant would attempt to cheat....
Creativity 4/4
Very well thought out.
Quality 3/4
As a judge, i believe that this card breaks the rules of magic. As i remember, exalted looks at how many creatures are attacking before it decides to trigger and can only trigger for one creature. If there is another judge in this contest that can object to this, i will give you the point back.
Balance 7/10
For what it can do, it seems REALLY strong. Every spell played in red deck wins after this guy gets you basically a time walk or 2/2 knight with first strike. I do like the design of the card though.
Flavor 4.5/5
Very nice.
Creativity 3.5/4
Good work here. Red/black hoser for the win.
Edit: Dragoon, do what you want. I don't mind getting pms, as long as you don't call all my judgings utter garbage.
I assume when you say worst blocks since kamigawa, you are leaving "the rats nest" out? lol. As for now, the price report doesn't seem really good. Keeping in mind alara's prices (minus the planeswalkers of course) maybe i didn't feel like paying $20 for a banefire that some of the vendors were trying to do, or $16 for a Noble Hierach.
You are right about the nothing new idea. I have a painful gut feeling the ALara reborn will be the same, just we will see more domain...
ArcanePie 19.5/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 6/10
For 5 colors, an instant speed vindicate seems a tad bit on the weak side. It is kinda cool that it can hit spells too, but i believe that it still needs a bit of an oomph to be considered rare.
Flavor 4/5
Impressive flavor.
creativity 3.5/4
Interesting new addition to the wish cycle. I will judge it like it does work.
Quality 4/4
All good here.
Dragoon26 17.5/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 4.5/10
This is really REALLY tough to get to. Assuming he doesn't get haste, he will have to survive 5 turns of uninterrupted abilities, just to get to his planeswalker form. And even then, his planeswalker form is laughably weak
Flavor 3.5/5
Pretty good, it is annoying as hell to grade a creature flipped into a planeswalker, but it is decent work.
creativity 3.5/4
Overall, good ideas. Just needed strength.
Quality 4/4
No issues here.
Dumb Luck 21/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 9/10
So he has the potential, best case scenario to be a 4/2 for 5 with flying, deathtouch, first strike, trample and lifelink. Even getting just one or two of these things seems like it would work just fine, especially with the flash. Card is great, nice work. Noticed: He is automaticlly flying, even if you flash him into play w/o a spell on the stack.
Flavor 3/5
Good job here. Art is pretty decent. I realize that he has to be blue for the counterspell part, but i feel then he shouldn't get a flying if blue clause then.
creativity 3/4
A fine addition to the draining whelk, mystic snake, creature/counter family.
Quality 4/4
No issues.
fan_of_reds 20/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 7.5/10
I am not going to lie, seems a bit of a wwierdo. i Do like how you tried to give contraption a meaning, but i am still unsure how assembling the contraption would work, so i will assume that you don't need anything else aside from the creatures. Effect seems wierd.
Flavor 3/5
Flavor is good, but i feel that like a couple others, you forced the round requirements in this card. There is no reason for a white, blue, green dragon to have the term non-black. That is usally used on only black cards.
creativity 3.5/4
I like the idea of contraption, but it is nothing too new.
Quality 4/4
NO issues.
intreped 18/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 6.5/10
The body, by itself, is good for the cost. The effect, on the other hand seems kinda wierd. It is a three mana unmake that needs red. The cost for the effect just doesn't seem to make sense
Flavor 3/5
Especially in your card, i feel that the round's requirement was forced. Snakes are in blue and green, but the red white and black maek no real sense.
creativity 2.5/4
Fairly new. Wierd trick/drawback if your opponent is using RWB.
Quality 4/4
No issues.
Kami_of_Randomness 23/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 10/10
This has the potential to be insanely powerful. Especially when you play 5 color and big spells, your army get really strong. I know that jund would splash blue and white just fot his guy, make the token army 6/6s with trample. Fortunately, it is balanced, much like Master Transmuter, but its 2 toughness. Good work
Flavor 4/5
Great flavor.
creativity 3/4
Sunburst 2.0? Count me in baby.
Quality 4/4
No issues here
Kenaron 22/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 8.5/10
Gotta admit, first thing that crossed my mind was another version of Tarmogoyf at uncommon level. Now, it feels like a wierd version of wild nactill, but it still seems effective. Good card, good power level.
Flavor 4/5
Good artwork, i like the effect.
creativity 3.5/4
Seems well thought out, good work here good sir.
Quality 4/4
No issues.
muchsarcasm 21.5/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 9/10
Very impressive split card. Versitile and hates anything wild or chaotic. Good thought out into this design and excellent use of the round requirements.
Flavor 4.5/5
Excellent flavor, the flavor text is good and artwork is great, considering the typical split artwork.
creativity 3/4
Nothing excitingly new, but good card.
Quality 3/4
Your missing 3 its. It should say: "Return target permenant to its owners hand." and: "Return ~ to its owners hand."
PMega 20.5/25
Bonus 2/2
Feel like your spitting in the bonus requirement's face, but you are good.
Balance 7.5/10
This card doesn't scream mythic rare to me. It is definitly rare, but the effect and cc isn't big enough to be special. The effect seems like in the right position, could be very good. Fair drawback with it being an artifact, and a creature with 2 toughness.
Flavor 3.5/5
Good, but feels like it should be legendary. Flavor text seems to imply it.
creativity 3.5/4
Excellent work here. Overall good card.
Quality 4/4
TerminusEst 18/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 5.5/10
Ha HA haha hahahaha. Funny and simple to read. This card says i hate everyone at the table and i love it. Good mythic, but it seems kinda weak to be 5 color. The score doesn't reflect my personal opinion...sorry.
Flavor 5/5
Flavor, on the other hand, great card, 5 color makes perfect sense, i do believe flavor test should be used since the box is so empty, but it is not necessary so no deduction.
creativity 2/4
Lose the game has been done a couple times before.
Quality 3.5/4
Should be "can't" i believe.
Venser_FR 19/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 8/10
For the cost and what it does, i believe it deserves to be a mythic rare. I also believe it is worded wrong, but more on that later. It is a 5 color obliterate that can be countered, but now includes planeswalkers. Impressive card, i think the power level is just right.
Flavor 3/5
I believe that it would have made more sense to say destroy all permenants. If you wanted to avoid regen, you could have added the "wrath clause" it can't be regenerated
creativity 2/4
Nothing terribly new.
Quality 4/4
No issues.
Von Kriplespac 25/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 10/10
Has the potential to be seriously abused, but great effect with a perfect drawback. This has got to be one of the better dragon designs i have seen.
Flavor 5/5
Excellent design, beautiful artwork.
creativity 4/4
VEry creative, excellent effect for a dragon to have
Quality 4/4
No issues.
Enchantment - Aura (M)
Enchant Creature
Malfegor’s Blessing is black.
Enchanted creature gets +4/-1, gains flying, and can’t be the target of spells or abilities your opponents control.
Discard three cards from your hand: Attach Malfegor’s Blessing to target creature.
Manifest 3BBB:
To gain his power, you must forfeit your mind.
a), i am not running any creatures (sole the 1 archangel)
and b), even if i can't go ult with him, i can still reck my opponents pws and steal their creatures.
Also, for the sideboard, how about celestial purge? It seems to do AMAZING against jund, and could do great if grixis makes it big...
I don't like the warmonk, it dies to any spell (aside from thunder), and kills the point of having very few permenants....
That is the problem with this damned country, why do we care what teenagers do with other teenagers when there are other issues that should grab our attention?
@Arcanepie, that is one of the issues i have with AMerica, i am 18 and 6 months. America is the country of freedom, why are teenagers being treated like 2nd class citizens?
elathel trom 20/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 8/10
So, this card lets you cheat exalted by giving counters to your other permanents? It is an interesting design. The card itself is completely conditional, only being able to be sided in bant aggro, against a red and/or black deck.
Flavor 3/5
The card design is fine, but this is complete disgrace and kick to the balls to bant. The whole point of bant is to send a single creature. I don't like that even in the face of evil, bant would attempt to cheat....
Creativity 4/4
Very well thought out.
Quality 3/4
As a judge, i believe that this card breaks the rules of magic. As i remember, exalted looks at how many creatures are attacking before it decides to trigger and can only trigger for one creature. If there is another judge in this contest that can object to this, i will give you the point back.
Kami_of_Randomness 21/25
Bonus 2/2
Balance 7/10
For what it can do, it seems REALLY strong. Every spell played in red deck wins after this guy gets you basically a time walk or 2/2 knight with first strike. I do like the design of the card though.
Flavor 4.5/5
Very nice.
Creativity 3.5/4
Good work here. Red/black hoser for the win.
Quality 4/4
No issues here.
Moving on.