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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Vaimes »
    You're not counting shadow or GJ as "high quality clears"? That's pretty savage.


    Mod could come in and say I was town cleared, and tom would probably check the front page to make sure it wasn't a bastard game.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Whatever, I don't give a **** anymore. Rebels deserve this loss, and I wash my hands of this game.

    Nominate GJ, Umani, Sloth, KJ.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    FWIW, Rhand and I as buddies handle each other very differently.


    Oh come on. You of all people know that "I do X or Y as a wolf..." is one of the worst excuses in the book. Every wolf in history says they play differently when they are "Actually" a wolf.
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Sloth »
    If all you need is one freaking vote aside from your team's to get your win, the only way you don't vote to accept is if you believe that all 3 town candidates (assuming only 1 spy in Umami's group) with reject it, and a scum team that seriously believes that never votes yes in general 'cause they're too chicke***** to ever make a move. Sorry if that comes across as insulting, but it's true.


    Your assuming all the rebels, even on the mission will vote yes to the proposal. Even before today, that wasn't true. Look at 4.2: Even if we assume every spy voted no, at least one rebel voted no as well. 4.4 is the only one I can confidently say had two spies on it...Either Shadow/Rhand, or Umani/Shadow....

    Hmm,

    ****, maybe it is just Umani. My spy read of Rhand is based solely on the assumption that Vaimes is a spy from this stage.

    Voting patterns matter just as much if not more because there's no guess work on who voted what. So, you disregarding them is ?


    I don't think they do. because if they did, the game would be over. Period, end of discussion. I get that you can't assume that like I can because you don't know my alignment, but 4.4/5.1 would have ended in spy victories if they passed. 100%. KJ or Vaimes just decided to throw for their team by not voting yes. So I can't take the vote count seriously. Maybe they were paranoid of two rebels voting no, I can't tell. If Rhand is a spy, Vaimes probably doesn't care if I take his "I am going to vote no on everyone" at face value.

    When saying "a day ago" I meant literally 24 hours ago, which was way after my proposal and, in fact, had been after Umami's. I had been confirmed for almost a week. This was in reference to your #786, where you stated your intention to nominate Rhand only to change your mind later for reasons. How did you get this wrong?


    I suppose asking you to ignore that post isn't going to happen, but I was seething in anger. Hence, me mentioning nomnating you and one of KJ/sloth instead of KJ/shadow. The end result is that there are only two possible rebel teams: Vaimes/Rhand/+1 KJ/shadow or Umani/KJ/Shadow. I will refuse to look at worlds were shenanigans happened with two spies but 1 pass. I get your mission 4 wiped that doubt from your mind as well.

    But that's it. There is no world I am a rebel, lest I would have just moved on, or casted doubt. I don't vote no on 4.4 if I was a spy. I just don't. I also don't fail mission 4, despite your comment before hand. It makes 0 sense from my perspective, why would I confirm a spy there?

    2): Wasn't 4.1 fired off the hip? I would have been nervous about locking myself if as a spy as well...4.1 also has two spies, guaranteed, I missed that.

    Rhand was in 4.5, an auto-accepted mission that already had one at least one guaranteed scum. It's possible he was the one scum there but compound it with everything else he's done, I have no idea what he's doing.

    3): I don't get that. You knew that one would pass unless exactly me/Umani or me/Rhand or Umani/Rhand were both wolves, that played mission 3 perfectly.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Why no Sloth/KJ or Sloth/Vaimes?

    I know you have it as unlikely, but...
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from shadowlancerx »
    PTAP

    I’m here, just don’t be feel like anything needs added atp.


    ...what

    No, What do you think of my strain of logic? Sorry if you said it recently, but what's your three?
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from tomsloger »
    Apathy is vaimes natural state. I read him off how he does get into the game. Largely looking for the source of his oomph. Is it externel, being drawn in by the puzzle? Is it internal, forcing himself to have impact?

    He hasnt gotten really going much this game at all. Not zero times, but not a lot. Im still pretty pending. But the longer i *dont* see it the more likely it becomes hes just scum amd isnt even faking it


    I get being salty more than anyone else here.

    He seems like he is slank coverage mode.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Slothful »
    Except that I knew Shadow targeted him (obviously I would know where my nk would have gotten).
    Reasons and possibilities aside, we only have your word that you actually knew Shadow had targeted ZDS, where scum would definitely know that something happened to prevent the kill.
    Then you hinted that you had seen something in a way you later claimed was meant to be subtle but no one at all found to be subtle (regardless of your alignment, I actually think you wanted it clear for people) and Shadow reacted in a way that clearly indicated that, yes, he had been the one to protect ZDS.
    That is a more factual description of the events that unfolded.

    Just...let's not talk about this right now. I am well aware that I have a penchant to favor outlandish theories 'cause I like mindgames and want the game to be more clever than it is.
    I'm trying to change that so I don't want to get too involved on this possibility until I have to, which certainly isn't now, and your responses to it are like custom-made to get me to obsess.


    See, I don't like this. You made this whole thing about it and offered a cookie trying to see if someone "saw what you did." But the second you got any heat, even from the subject in question, you are backing off? I mean, I don't think I am magically going to be spared because I get suspicion thrown my way, but what was the point of this post? Do you want to push me, but don't think you'll get any takers? Do you think you are going to die tomorrow, and don't want people to overlook me or something? I don't understand the mindset here, hence the questions. You saying "let's not talk about it" when you started the issue is NGL.

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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Sloth »
    Why the hell do voting patterns don't matter this game? They are literally the only solid information we get. What are you basing your analysis on, if not that?


    Because there is a default non random option that occurs, and the spies can win even if the forced proposal is from a rebel. In addition, as you have clearly shown, rebels have been willing to reject their own proposals, why risk getting outted? I would only vote yes as a spy personally if I was on a mission, because that would be a non spy reason to approve it.

    What are you basing your analysis on, if not that?

    Mission success and failure, and just personal reads. They aren't 0 percent relevant. I think if all three wolves were on either of the proposed missions, we'd have different results. That isn't ever going to happen though. Even your group of 4 has exactly 1 wolf on it. That's what I have been looking at.

    Rhand's scum now? A day ago you were going to have him in the proposal. Why.


    A day ago, you weren't confirmed, and Vaimes wasn't clearly outed. So it's either Rhand/Vaimes+1, or exactly Umani/KJ/Shadow. Since Vaimes is playing like someone who is outted and doesn't care anymore, I am assuming the former. This isn't rocket science from my rebel perspective man.

    W. H. Y.


    Because it votes were relevant, the odds that we would have lost before it got to you were astronomically high.

    If I was going on conviction alone, you would sway me, but that's all you have. You're not giving any actual reasons.


    Because I can't argue against the very grain of the fact that spies are slow rolling this. All I can tell you was Umani's proposal was a spy victory and it got rejected. You can't accept the rejection that today was correct, but none of the one yesterday before you would have resulted in a win.

    The only thing I am questioning right now is for Shadow/KJ, would the spy there have voted yes or no if Umani's proposal had two spies. I am going to take all 72 hours, because as I said, if this game gets to Rhand, we lose.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Per Rhand's role, tom should be treated like an IC. Nothing really technical about it.

    ZDS is like 99% info related town.

    You can surely tell the difference between mechanically cleared vs behavior.

    I was about to say stop quipping over technicalities, but here I go.

    @Sloth:

    Who are the wolves right now?
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    I mean, saying someone you don't believe someone is VT is just strange to say as well. Like, ya. You don't believe they are town. That's why they are telling you their role...

    I feel weird today, or all of you are. Absolutely one of those two choices.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Vote Count 3.3
    Oramen shook his head. “Just the way Tove said ‘Not me’, when . . .” He wiped his face with one hand. “And before, when we were at the door . . .” He stared up at the ceiling for a few moments, then shook his head decisively. “No. What am I saying? He was my best friend. He could not.” He shivered. “Great grief, the man dies in my place and I look to blame him.” He drank again.

    “Steady, young man,” Fanthile said, smiling, nodding at the glass.

    Oramen looked at the glass, appeared to be about to argue, then set it down on the table between them.

    “The blame is mine, Fanthile,” he said. “I sent Tove first through that door, and I was stupid enough to finish off the one I’d hit first in the chest. Through him we might have discovered who sent them.”

    “You think they were sent, by somebody else?”

    “I doubt they were just loitering around the courtyard waiting to rob the first person to come through that door.”


    Jackrito - 3 (ZeDorkSlipeur, Umami, tomsloger)
    Slothful - 3 (Rodemy, Lastwhisper, Killjoy)

    Lastwhisper - 1 (shadowlancerx)
    Killjoy - 1 (Slothful)

    Not Voting - 6 (Grapefruit21, Gentleman Johnny, Jackrito, Tubba Fett, Vaimes, Axelrod)

    With 12 alive, it takes 7 to achieve a majority.

    Day 3 ends at 11:59:59 PM Eastern Time on 16 May 2020.
    Notes:
    If your vote is uncounted and I didn't say why, please PM me or DM me on Discord so I can investigate.


    ....Is Tubba still alive?

    Also Sloth > Jack, but I don't hate either wagon.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Tom is confirmed
    Shadow being a wolf here means that both Tubba and him targeted ZDS? and they were playing someone kind of scum theater because town!GJ softed he had information. Actually scratch that, Shadow has to be real here, for the same reason ZDS is real

    GJ being a wolf here means he is real, and double stacked the target? ZDS with Tubba, then immediately softed this information knowing Tubba probably dies here??? I guess the other world is he GJ lied, but idk what information he has, that explains why he throws tubba under the buss here

    ZDS is actually confirmed here, because Tubba could not possibly target outside doing the KP, and no mod allows wolves to put the factional KP on their teammates

    so out of the 3, GJ can still be a wolf
    its pretty insane tinfoil, and not something I am thinking about, till like F7 or later





    Except that I knew Shadow targeted him (obviously I would know where my nk would have gotten).

    I guess what I don't get is the point of that tinfoil? Like yes, if I am still alive in 2-3 days with how the nks fall, look at me with suspicioun. But the day after my results yield fruit, the body guard almost certainly made the correct call (unless you want to argue that Axel is scare enough and just happened to be the nk target).

    Why tinfoil that at all, or mention it at all at this stage?

    I mean, out of the three, tom is the only one modconfirmed. So nyeh? @LW
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  • posted a message on Resistance - Spies win!
    Quote from Slothful »
    Arrogance in response to a post where I admit I'm wrong. Sure.

    GJ, why does the scum team reject a proposal if there's any of theirs in it at this point? Seriously. That, or your proposal, are the only things I want to hear from you.
    I'm perfectly willing to lose this game if that's seriously what just happened. They're doing such mind gymnastics that I can't even keep up with.


    I don't know but they did. Maybe because at least one person thought that you would do exactly what you did?


    I keep teliing you and you keep tuning out. Stop ******* looking at the votes. They literally don't matter. In fact, you stating your plan.

    The day getting to Rhand means we likely lose this game.

    I know for a fact if yesterday passed, game was over. At least 1 spy approved. Why the other two didn't, I will never know.

    I plan to nominate myself/sloth/KJ/Umani. There is at least 1 spy on that mission. I feel like if there were two, Vaimes would have voted yes, despite his no ****s given attitude.

    Seriously though, stop treating votes like the ******* gospel. A spy voted to fail a mission with only a single fail. Clearly, people aren't ******* thinking, or likely one of the proposals yesterday before it got to you would have passed.

    Or they, are and predicted you would decline a mission with you on it. I know you are trying to be cute and think you did the perfect no to out the team, but it's literally *****. Especially if Rhand is a spy.

    SO as to why they didn't approve a mission if there was a clear failure on it? Because they probably didn't think it would pass on the first run. Probably for the same reason every other mission failed yesterday, and especially because it is very likely Rhand is a spy so they can just ride this to the end.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Slothful »
    OH right, lol thanks for reminding me.

    I think there's scum in Umami/Last/KJ/Grape - possibly the entire team.

    If things start making no sense at all, my current tinfoil thought is that GJ could still be scum. Whoever can tell me why that's plausible gets a cookie


    :eyeroll:

    Because I could be a wolf watcher and decided to out my wolf buddy to go deep as someone who draws the night kill early most games I am town?
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