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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    I just wasn't intending to play in this game, but then Osie asked and I forgot I was going to be in Michigan for a while. So I didn't mean to look as slimy as I did on day 1.

    ZDS, why did you go Rhand over me? I thought that's what you were gearing towards?
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    vote zds
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Checking in half asleep. Sunday's are terrible for me
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Quote from ZDS »
    As a result I changed my reads out of apparently nowhere, and now you and Johnny both have to fit me into pairings that make zero sense, round-peg-in-square-hole style. Credits to Highroller as well for not going after my throat as soon as the Day started.


    Meanwhile, I did my best to reset my reads after Pokechu's misbonk. After I had been proven wrong once, I had all the reasons in the world not to go back on my one-man crusade as if nothing had happen


    See, these two things don't mesh. I had not only Poke as a wolf but LW as a likely candidate. If I was wrong on one, I figured Grape was the most likely partner based on just not posting, but I for 1): I can't believe you can safe with a straight face Grape has been proactive. It's an awful read from you at best.

    But to my point from the above, if I am town, and my team blew up in my face in the morning, why wouldn't I forget everything I know and try to figure it out? You just played a wolf game with as town where I did exactly the same thing, and proceeded to correctly 180 you and YMC. In this game, why wouldn't I re-evaluate and try to figure out where I went wrong, instead of going after Grape (who you think is town) also while having HR as a back up. That seems to be a much easier path for me as a wolf for victory, rather than trying to turn on Rhand who was leaning town, and you (who I was reading town)

    My issue with your long winded post is that you aren't trying to see the game from a GJ town perspective. Rhand calling my game clean, but still hedging that I might be a wolf is lolable at best, and I have no idea how Grape can see that and still go "WeLl, GJ mAkEs ThE mOsT sEnSe." It's utterly ridiculous.

    I have no idea where HR this game right now, other than imagining he is pulling his hair out trying to figure claims.
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    @ZDS:
    What shifted your read on me?

    @Rhand:
    What ever happened to your ZDS read? How did it fare with Poke?
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Lol at being serious about my pairings.

    Of course I am. That's the entire benefit of the town in a small game: You are supposed to evaluate pairs, and there are things you can see or actions someone can do that makes it obvious that wolf players A and B don't interact like that.

    Mockery aside, do something. Rhand is twiddling his thumbs waiting for I don't know what, and Johnny is so serious about his pairings he apparently believes HR and me could be a team.


    Well if not's Grape, the only two teams I can see are you and Highroller, and you and Rhand. If you are actually town, and I am town, that's the only logical conclusion. That's the entire point of this tytpe of analysis as you bloody well know.

    And it's not like people can't be wrong about indepenent town/wolf reads, as we have just witnessed. It's why I am grinding Grape into wine. Either he slips up and is a wolf, or I realize I am wrong, and it means the team is something else.

    I didn't argue Grape was mafia because he was voting ZDS. I was arguing against YOU saying that Grape voting ZDS makes him unlikely to be mafia.


    It's the same thing.

    In ZDS/Grape wolf worlds, Grape doesn't ping him that early, and then immediately vote with other people. His vote is far more likely to be a town vote then saw what you did than a wolf vote that decided that you somehow found the smoking gun, and wanted early bus credit. That early. I'll ride or die on that non pairing all the way to the bank.
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    drunk thoiughts

    It is super ******* weird that I am startying to town read grape just becauise the number vo viable teams, I think I only have 1 that makess sense with him.
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »



    Not to rub it in and gloat though, but remember when you ride or died on me? Not sure why I have Rhand/ZDS crossed off either, other than two town reads, and I would fall into a depression if both of them are wolves.

    You absolutely fooled me. I am not above getting fooled. I don't think HR is capable of it. If I'm wrong I will eat all of the crow but to me he is very obviously exactly his normal self. I found all the arguments about him not pursuing things as forcefully or not having as strong of reasoning completely unfounded/unpersuasive.

    Anyway going to try to reread the whole game now.


    Why I am falling on HR a bit is that I feel like in his town games, I won't agree with his logic, but at least I can follow it. What bothers me is how he read you as an obvious busser to ZDS. A few other things as well that just annoy me, but that's the one thing I can't follow. What did you make of his response to your vote? I am a littl tipsy, so if tyou did respond to that and I missed it, I apologize
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    God damn, if the team ends up being Grape/ZDS, I don't think I can play another game with Highroller. He will be even more unbearable than he is now.
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    I mean, I think it's just understanding at this type of game that a lot of things can happen.

    I am starting to wonder if I was wrong about one of ZDS or Rhand, because some of the other pairings don't make sense to me.

    Definitely, but I'm very confident in my HR read. Maybe I shouldn't be but I am pretty much at a ride or die stage on it.

    Question on your team pairings: what made you decide me/ZDS was a viable team after all? The strongest take I remember from you recently is that you don't believe I could have pulled off bussing ZDS like that.


    That's a mistake on my end. Should be:

    ZDS/HR
    ZDS/Grape
    ZDS/Rhand

    Rhand/HR
    Rhand/Grape
    HR/Grape

    Which is why I am trying to figure out who I got wrong.

    Not to rub it in and gloat though, but remember when you ride or died on me? Not sure why I have Rhand/ZDS crossed off either, other than two town reads, and I would fall into a depression if both of them are wolves.




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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    I mean, I think it's just understanding at this type of game that a lot of things can happen.

    I am starting to wonder if I was wrong about one of ZDS or Rhand, because some of the other pairings don't make sense to me.
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    It wasn't much of an explanation but it was enough to make me stop my knee jerk skepticism.
    Quote from Rhand »

    Can you point me to where he explained his town read on you?

    Quote from Pokechu »
    His posts and his trains of thought match mine. I know I’m town. I can bring up specific posts and quotes I like - I know we have the same opinion of ZDS’ #78. But I don’t think that would do much more than simply saying he reads genuine and I like his posts so far.


    Having trouble focusing toDay but following GJ's lead to me the possible teams are:
    HR/ZDS
    HR/GJ
    HR/Rhand

    ZDS/GJ
    ZDS/Rhand
    GJ/Rhand

    I don't think that ZDS/Rhand makes a ton of sense but I need to reread.

    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    It wasn't much of an explanation but it was enough to make me stop my knee jerk skepticism.
    Quote from Rhand »

    Can you point me to where he explained his town read on you?

    Quote from Pokechu »
    His posts and his trains of thought match mine. I know I’m town. I can bring up specific posts and quotes I like - I know we have the same opinion of ZDS’ #78. But I don’t think that would do much more than simply saying he reads genuine and I like his posts so far.


    Having trouble focusing toDay but following GJ's lead to me the possible teams are:
    HR/ZDS
    HR/GJ
    HR/Rhand

    ZDS/GJ
    ZDS/Rhand
    GJ/Rhand

    I don't think that ZDS/Rhand makes a ton of sense but I need to reread.


    I had a dream that I asked this to you. Maybe I am mixing you up with the question I just asked Rhand, but why can't HR be a wolf with anyone else?
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Oh, I missed that question:

    I don't know. All Osie said was the upgrade makes my ability results will be better....but I got no results.
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    @Rhand:

    Quote from Rhand »
    This actually got my thinking process going.

    In mafia!HR worlds this means he’s mafia with exactly ZDS. Mafia don’t connect two townies for no reason because lynching one destroys the scum read on the other. That means if HR is mafia, one of ZDS and Grape is too.
    They do like to link a buddy to a townie to create a chainlynch on town when the buddy flips.
    HR is clearly convinced that what ZDS did should get him lynched. That is true in town! And mafia!HR worlds.
    So if he is mafia, he is assuming that out of ZDS and Grape, ZDS will flip first.
    To make the chainlynch work, that means Grape is the town in the pairing that he wants to lynch after the ZDS flip.
    I can see HR going for a bus here.

    Turning that around, ZDS is voting HR. In a 7 player game, voting each other on Day 1 is terrible unless they think that getting towncred on each other’s lynch is the best way to win. Which is... bad play and not what I would ever see ZDS agreeing to. So while I can see HR making this play, I do not see ZDS go for it. Ever.

    Conclusion: HR is not mafia with ZDS and not without ZDS so he is town.

    Thanks Wisp Smile


    Walk me through this logic. Why couldn't HR be wolves with anyone not named ZDS or Grape? ELI5

    Otherwise, mostly nothing really caught my eye. Doesn't help the majority of posts I went through are from dead players.

    Still hedging like a ***** about Highroller
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  • posted a message on Shoushiling Mafia | Game Over - Mafia win.
    Quote from ZeDorkSlipeur »
    The game is based on rock-paper-scissors, there being 3 sides would not be that surprising. Whether the game can have three sides and be balanced and not-bastard is another question and I am not willing to bet on the answer.

    Re: the message: It makes me believe Grape is town (more than I already did), is it more clear that way?


    Not really. It's Lynch or lose, and now doesn't seem to be the time to be so tight lipped.

    As far as the other part.....seriously?
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