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  • posted a message on Snow White Mafia Signups
    Quote from ZeDorkSlipeur »
    We simply do not have the active player base to fire games; even discord activity has noticeably decreased in the last few months.

    Discord activity decreases because games take forever to start here. And it's probable that the more they do, then the less often people check the forum or Discord, and we run into a vicious cycle.

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    What we need to keep the community going is easy to say but not as easy to do. We need actual new blood. Not (only) players invited from other communities. These players can help fill up games (see: over half the playerbase in Voldemort), but if they don't stay and don't get involved with our community, then all they do is artifically inflate our ranks.

    The MTGS Mafia community started small then grew thanks to people coming from the rest of the site, trying a game out of curiosity / boredom / already knowing Mafia and perhaps staying. Since MTGS is dying and most subforums are deserted, the natural influx of newcomers has stopped and instead nearly all the "new" players are "mercenaries" from other places.

    If you remove these mercenaries, you are left with a dwindling "old guard" increasingly made of people who only play occasionally and at a slow pace. Eventually enough of the old guard will have moved on that the community won't be able to function with or without outside players. There's no point for them to come here if they can run the exact same games with the exact same people in their original communities. We have already reached the point where we badly need outside players just to run a small game.

    Things will not get better with time. Fiddling with deadlines will have absolutely no long term effect. I have seen that movie already. It has a sad ending.


    Forgive me for using this as thread as a ground, but perhaps when we though the closure was happening, maybe reconsider Thingy's offer to function on MU? I don't know if it is even still active, but several other older sites I know at the time were on MU, and still function to an extent. You would also have the benefit of having more people, while still running in the "slow que" for those of us who would not want to go the normal fast paces action that is MU.

    Just my 2 cents.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Scum didn't have a RB mate.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Umami »
    Quote from Slothful »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Tubbas role is interesting with the only cop being scum with him.
    Yeah I should talk about that a little bit.

    I wanted the Rolecop to be able to claim a check on the "goon" without being outed by the flip. I'm on the fence as to whether this was a good idea or a bad idea.
    I actually think it's brilliant.
    Possibly skirts the line of bastard, but...eh.


    Dude, no idea why they sacrificed Tubba so early though


    Game was turning against Tubba easy. Stronger read town players were already turning the gears, and I basically had to try and go deep or salvage something.

    Maybe if we could have tried to push Jack a bit harder instead, but I made a judgement call and tried to put Shadow on table (since he was a potential push for mislyncch that was obviously never going to work. Claiming shadow/Tubba targeted the likely NK at least created the situation where Tubba might have been able to be sold over shadow. I underestimated how overwhelmingly support went for shadow over Tubba as I thought shadow was pretty close to the bottom of most lists, near Tubba.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    The wolves also need someway to mess with town roles that is consistent. A 1 shot bus driver isn't even close to that. Think about it: Shadow claimed day 2, and dodged kills for two nights as the town primary protective role. Yes fine, I will give Axel his credit and that wasn't broken, just annoying. But the game was heavily town sided, imo. Doesn't change the fact that roles didn't go our way either. That was just the bad luck and inherent swinginess of roles.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    I talked about this in the discord:

    You can't give the town perfect foil to a wolf role like you did. The trade here should be the wolf PRs are on a 1-1 basis. The town wins with numbers.

    I think wolfGovernor shouldn't exist either. Soft, maybe, but I feel super uncomfortable when the wolves can **** with lynches.
    Posted in: Mafia
  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Nice shooting shadow
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Slothful »
    Here's my suggestion:
    1. We lynch Last toDay and verify his role.
    2. If Roleblocker/Redirector/JOAT/Combo, GJ is cleared.
      If not, GJ starts looking worse.
    3. We lynch DBS toMorrow. We spend the Day assuming GJ is conf!Town and look at the last scum in the remainder.
    4. If DBS flips red with a supremely overpowered role of gov+rb+rd, GJ is once again cleared.
      If DBS flips town, both KJ and Shadow look bad...but I just don't believe that world could be possible here, especially not for Shadow.
    5. D6 we lynch either GJ or another player if they seem better for the last scum. At this point, assuming a string of red flips, we're in a place we can afford a ML, I think.
    Thoughts?


    lol
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Vaimes »
    Nah, a town PR doesn't completely contradict what is basically a guilty and then suddenly go "jk she was right I did visit Sloth." He probably claimed Role Cop because we think one should exist and no one else claimed it.


    It WoUlD bE gAmE tHrOwIn

    Also: Two kills have been stopped and Shadow is still alive. I think it's safe to say there has been some pretty bad play all around. Or that I should have been redirected night 2.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Sloth, no matter what the game is, your logic continues to astound me.

    Even if I was a wolf, I am almost certainly what I claim. What would a rolecop do?

    That said, I don't believe him either. The one little nag on me head is Tubba's role, but it wouldn't be the first red herring in the world.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    You guys are really trying hard to make me a wolf after catching the first one....

    It's almost funny if we weren't pretty damn close to winning.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Alright, I am crashing soon. I should be back to my normal self, now that I am not getting grilled for working enough.

    Try not to have any more crazy ***** clown fiestas on the weekends. Ill talk to yall tomorrow.

    I will also be in Michigan from Thursday-Monday, but I will still phone post.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from tomsloger »
    So if johnnys real scum prolly have a joat too with rb and redirect, yeah?


    It's possible. Or the wolves don't know they had a golden ticket to just guy shadow and "turn me off" (although Axel would have ****ed that up anyway).

    Shadow or anyone else didn't claim redirect day 3, right?
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Umami »
    Quote from Umami »
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    I feel like I look terrible with my vanilla claim right now
    Rolleyes

    @GJ
    so night 3 targeted Tom -> KJ
    so I am assuming night 2 was a doctor?

    this just feels like too much protection, but w/e


    Wait, why do you feel like you look terrible?


    Think he is making the joke that there is a lot of power in the game right now, and he is a living vanilla. Other than Jack, is there even another one claimed?


    I though Jack, ZDS, Vaimes, Sloth, and LW all claimed vanilla?


    ZDS claimed he didn't do anything.

    Forgot about Sloth and Vaimes?

    How drunk have I been this last game day? Did I miss a massclaim or something?
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Quote from Umami »
    Quote from Umami »
    Quote from Killjoy »
    Quote from Umami »
    What does neighbor do?
    makes a chat. I can talk to GJ outside the thread for now.


    Forever or just for that night?


    We can talk right now until the end of day today.


    So, what's your impression of KJ after the chat? And vice versa?


    ....it just started tonight?

    Like about 5-10 minutes before the thread started?

    We are grilling each other now. Chill before you cause me to have even more salt.
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  • posted a message on Matter Mafia -- End Game: Sursamen Survives
    Lot of power on both sides though it would appear.

    I guess the confusing thing for me is that if they had a redirect, why not target Shadow to me night 2?

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