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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Oh well. I’ll do better next time?




    Games not over boyo.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
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    You won't ******* budge from your wolves to voting with them when you yourself basically spilled out how we win if your reads are correct?

    My brain just exploded.



    we’ve already lost. Tomorrow it’s you Tom and ywf voting me. Let’s just end this ***** game


    What? You couldn't convince ZDS to go me today? Do you really believe that?

    I know how ZDS feels about Kpaca, but all you had to do was get ZDS to vote me. Kpaca wouldn't have had a hard time self pressing.



    Tom would have gotten here and killed kpaca. You know that. I know that. He wants me dead but also kpaca. It would be an easy vote for him.




    See, I am not so certain about that. And even if that was true, why not let him dig that grave? Frankly, I think he was hoping to see more from Kpaca, but now we will never know.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
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    Quote from YWFMLF »
    ...what the HELL is wrong with your slot? When I clearly add "stop lurking"to my post and we HAVE DAYS LEFT?



    *shrug* he’s gonna die anyway. Might as well get the flip so this game can end. Are you that surprised? I suck at this game. I’m wrong about everything.


    I didn't say you sucked. I said if you were town, you didn't give a *****, or weren't trying to solve in that moment.

    You aren't willing to reflect on your reads. Like, at all. You don't have a single read for someone who didn't call you a wolf. It's an easy tunnel to get into, I have gone there a few times myself.

    Look on the bright side: If Kpaca is a wolf, I probably go after Jack first. Smile



    I do have reads and I have stated them time and again. It started with who was trying to lynch kcc. Then I focused on that pool and got you and Tom. Tom for neglecting to concider vaimes pushing me eod2 over a town slot


    and you for twisting my intentions with that mega derp.


    It’s not just because you were wolf reading me. It just started the process and look, it really ****in helped. It got me concrete reads and my pool is STILL IN THE GAME.


    See, that's the disconnect. I am not "twisting" your intentions. I don't know what to make of that. The action of not backing down from LW despite people yelling at you doesn't make sense as either alignment. And that's the thing: I didn't twist your intention. I argued you lacked any intention at all. Why did you have no interest in the other mason(s), even if it worked like a traditional mason, and not just "lol its my cellblock"? To me, the logical explanation is that you didn't care. You didn't display any curiosity about his role, and no, that is isn't "twisting your intention". It's a motherloving fact, reinforced by basically being screamed at by multiple players to reread his role.

    If that's really why I am a wolf for that one post I don't know what to say. You were a wolf with me in playstation, did I really jump at the opportunity every time a town made a mistake? That has never been my style, mostly because of how much blowback it gets when the slip is a town slip. If there is one wolf tell that is consistent in any of my games, it's my constant need to not get my hands dirty. That's not to say I won't try to start 'bad' wagons on townies, but I won't be the one that tries to break a universal town read as a wolf. Complete wifom in this game, but take it as you will.

    Your problem in mafia from either alignment is you lack the ability to empathize. You can't ever look in a mirror and understand why you might be getting wolf or town read, and just assume (if you are wolf) that they don't know *****, or (if you are town) that anyone pushing you has to be a wolf because I am objectively town. The latter is not unique to you, for the record.

    I would ignore this post for the sake of my own alignment, but do with it as you will.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    Quote from Rodemy »
    You won't ******* budge from your wolves to voting with them when you yourself basically spilled out how we win if your reads are correct?

    My brain just exploded.



    we’ve already lost. Tomorrow it’s you Tom and ywf voting me. Let’s just end this ***** game


    What? You couldn't convince ZDS to go me today? Do you really believe that?

    I know how ZDS feels about Kpaca, but all you had to do was get ZDS to vote me. Kpaca wouldn't have had a hard time self pressing.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Quote from YWFMLF »
    ...what the HELL is wrong with your slot? When I clearly add "stop lurking"to my post and we HAVE DAYS LEFT?



    *shrug* he’s gonna die anyway. Might as well get the flip so this game can end. Are you that surprised? I suck at this game. I’m wrong about everything.


    I didn't say you sucked. I said if you were town, you didn't give a *****, or weren't trying to solve in that moment.

    You aren't willing to reflect on your reads. Like, at all. You don't have a single read for someone who didn't call you a wolf. It's an easy tunnel to get into, I have gone there a few times myself.

    Look on the bright side: If Kpaca is a wolf, I probably go after Jack first. Smile
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    I wouldn't have held your breath. Even when there isn't a pandemic, kpaca is an ultra lurker.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    Quote from YWFMLF »
    ...what the HELL is wrong with your slot? When I clearly add "stop lurking"to my post and we HAVE DAYS LEFT?


    I don't mean this as a snark response, but when you moved him to L-1, what did you think was going to happen?

    THe only thing shocking was that Rod was the one to hammer, not that he got hammered.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    You won't ******* budge from your wolves to voting with them when you yourself basically spilled out how we win if your reads are correct?

    My brain just exploded.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    Wait, what.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    Here's where I am at:

    Since I am not in fact a wolf, and am almost certain there is one wolf riding ZDS, I am never going to break into it, I have to find the wolf not in that section. Of the players remaining, the most likely out of Kpaca/tom/YMV is Kpaca. Tom is maybe the only other player that is pushing and solving. And while I come to different conclusions. YMV also reads pretty well, and while paranoia of low solving in the middle is a thing, along with a weird Vaimes interaction, it isn't enough to make me want the slot dead.

    That leaves Kpaca, who the paranoia of YMV also applies here, in addition to not really having any of the other positive. This game has been a nightmare for town. Rhand basically played as a wolf this game, we had two replacements on two active wagons that basically through away so much momentum. Too many people have been coasting, and sheer numbers means they can't all be wolves.

    The one other thing I almost forgot about Flarg is Rhand was convinced they were a wolf. And per his role, he had a very high motivation to try and get a wolf that day. Rhand isn't infalliable, but with the masons outed and out their vest, if he correctly lynches a wolf, he just shoots a mason and then wins. If that was the only think I had on the Kpaca slot, I would likely ignore it. But it just feels like another hit.

    And the end of the day, I don't really know. Jack=Kpaca>Rod probably wins the game.
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
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    Vaimes never voted Jack, either. If I let my paranoid side take over I could find reasons to vote literally anyone besides myself. I'm not doing it because that is the exact opposite of what we need.

    We need town reads. We need PoE. I'm taking a gamble by clearing players for admittedly debatable reasons because we need focus.

    Only scum benefit from spreading doubt.


    Calm it down, Icarus.

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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    I mean, it sounds like I have the game entirely wrapped in your universe. You even told me how to win. You think tom wouldn't have figured that out himself?

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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
    Quote from Rodemy »
    Okay so here is my mindset;


    Kflarga flips town. Zds is the night kill. Leaves me jack Tom ywf and Johnny.


    I can’t get Johnny lynched without jack and ywf. But most likely it will be me on the chopping block tomorrow and we will lose.


    Good game I guess.





    If that's what you truly believe, why do you think tom hasn't voted? o-0
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  • posted a message on Prison Block Mafia II, Night 5: E-Victed
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    [quote from="Gentleman Johnny »" url="/forums/community-forums/mafia/816321-prison-block-mafia-ii-day-5-c-you-later?comment=3153"]

    I'm more frustrated at your approach and attitude today and nothing says me voting you means I'm not doing other stuff in the mean time.


    You aren't. You literally aren't. You playing around in your echo chamber that you don't even know is fully town doesn't magically mean you are convincing the (even if you are correct) two villagers who are trying to solve with the two other wolves. My attitude is clear frustration with breaking my back trying to solve and watching a player. If you want to argue my frustration is that I played such a buddy up game with tom, and am made that lolRod somehow caught that, go ahead and make that argument. If you ignore every sane possible alternative, I can see how you would read that way. If you are wolf, kudos for taking a bold path to victory, but if you can just ride ZDS, I guess he is handing you the game on a silver platter.

    Anything that does fit your world view is trash, they is no attempt to see things in a different way.


    My world view is that I am town, and tom is almost certainly town through heavy solving and spew. I feel certain, albeit less so in ZDS so that leaves 4. Even if I am wrong about the other two, any wolf view that has me buddies with tom or anyone just does not fit. Let's be hnoest with each other. Outside of your chat, you have done nothing. And if it was really because the days ended too quickly, here is your golden opportunity.

    Because I am going to be straight with you. I cannot allow myself to go today. The game is over because there is not a single player other than tom that I would believe that could solve the game from there. And I think there is real chance he does get shot because there is a reason tom gets shot early: He is a scary played to thunderdome.


    You clearly see me as scum more then rod like you just said so vote me or stay on Kpaca,


    Rod's play makes no sense from either perspective. I could literally flip a coin on his alignment and not be shocked by the result. My best town read of him is based on vaimes so heh.

    if he flips scum which I doubt then lynch me tomorrow and you win.


    I am not a wolf. Who are the other wolves? If you are really town, you should be thinking that.

    If I was a wolf, tom probably is just the obvious lynch tomorrow so no reason to ask that.

    If he does flip scum though I accept that I'm wrong in my world view like I already said I only see 2 possible scum teams atm. I just see you and Tom as the more likely. Out of the two I see you as the more scummy as well so this should not be a shock.


    There is no ******* way in the universe of universes, am I ever wolves with tom, would I ever play as a wolf like that as a buddy even if I wwas invested in power wolfing.

    except we do?


    Calling anyone who OMGUS wolves, and then riding ZDS does not constitute solving. Even the way you treat the situation with the masons. Why is my conclusion inconceivable as town?

    Because frankly, I can't see how as town you miss LW being a mason unless you just didn't give enough of a ***** about this game to care. I disagree with tom. I don't think you maliciously tried to get wagon going on LW. It was my guess that you just looked at the role and mehed. Even if you did do the boneheaded thing as town, that fact that you didn't take 5 seconds to look at the ******* front page to see who is in that cellblock tells me you weren't interested in solving. That's indisputable.

    also why are YOU so frustrated? You can get the kpaca lunch without me and jack. I am just.... astounded by the amount of effort you are putting in pretending to be actually frustrated.


    Because despite being called bravado, I am anything but. I am not 100% sure Jack/Kpaca clinches it. How tom feels about me, that's how I feel about you. I have hairs on the back of my neck and tinfoil about ZDS, and YMV, I am wondering if I am letting her off too easy. The difference is that I am willing to admit I am not working in a perfect world. I need this interaction, and this back and forth. I need to not die because I don't see town lynching correctly twice. I think if I flip town, despite all this G/tom GJ/tom, GJ/tom, I find it not unlikely that you dig your heels in further, go awe shucks, wrong about one, BUT TOM." and then end the game.

    If I thought you even had one wolf right in either of your piles, maybe I'd feel a bit more comfortable. But the fact that 7 players all have different ideas about not just 1 wolf, but BOTH makes me uncomfortable.



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