MTG Salvation

Oh ****.... I want the Karn so bad, but I don't want to know what they're going to cost

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Those basic lands are ******* amazing looking... can't believe you only get one of each for ******* $30

They're snow lands. It's on par with how much you'd be spending on the open market, if not a bit less.

Who wants one of each though??? People want more than just one.

Are they preventing people from placing an order for multiple? I was suspecting that they hope the people who want 20 of each... order 20 copies of that drop. Is that not the case?

Of course not, but it's still ******* ridiculous, but I have a pretty good feeling neither of us will change each other's mind on this case, so **** it.

I would have been all over it if they included a couple of non foil for each land. I honestly wouldn't even want the foil versions if it was just a stack of them, but I ain't touching that ***** now. It's still going to be sold out instantly though, so what the **** do I know.

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Those basic lands are ******* amazing looking... can't believe you only get one of each for ******* $30

They're snow lands. It's on par with how much you'd be spending on the open market, if not a bit less.

Who wants one of each though??? People want more than just one. It's more like something shiny to put in your binder when it's made like this so you can go "look at these cool lands!" instead of actually use them.

Holy *****!!!!!!!! Give me 4 asap!!!

Those basic lands are ******* amazing looking... can't believe you only get one of each for ******* $30

Hey man, thanks for the insight!
I honestly just forgot about Smuggler's Copter hehe, it was banned when I was in the deep end of Standard, so I never really considered it, but I can see it's roughly a billion times stronger in this deck than Heart of Kiran.

I guess I just have a weak spot for Heart of Kiran and this deck in general, because it was when I was having the most fun and was doing really well at various FNM events. I just love the art direction on stuff from Kaladesh / Aether Revolt, and it was just when I was getting back into Magic again.

Steel Leaf Champion isn't supposed to crew any vehicles unless I have no other choice. The deck was mostly made so I could either get a turn 2 Steel Leaf Champion out, or drop a Heart of Kiran and have different options like Scrapheap Scrounger or Greenbelt Rampager (You could crew it before it went back into your hand if you didn't have energy) and then have a Blossoming Defense up too.

I'm just surprised Mardu Vehicles hasn't popped back up again since it has access to some insanely strong planeswalkers that also crew Heart of Kiran, but I guess that's a discussion for another thread hehe.

I LOVE Pelt Collector, but I'm not sure it'll work outside of a Hardened Scales / Constrictor style +1/+1 counter synergy deck, but I'll definitely give it a go. I'm big into decks with that synergy and I was amazed when I first saw it spoiled.

I'm playing with some friends of mine tomorrow. I'll be making my deck then. I'll try and report back with my initial thoughts and maybe get some directions on where to go from there.

Hey peeps

I'm pretty hype about Pioneer and want to build two of my favourite standard decks up again, but with the natural upgrades Pioneer gives access to.
Would love to make an Esper control list again too, but money...

So, my idea is to rebuild my B/G Steel Leaf Stompy deck from around August 2018 (when I had the most "success" playing) full of cards like Llanowar Elves, Steel leaf Champion, Scrapheap Scrounger, Rhonas The Indomitable, Heart of Kiran, Ghalta, Primal Hunger, Vivien Reid, Blossoming Defense and other good stuff.
Not to mention Once Upon a time and Veil of Summer being released since then.

My only worry is, I thought stuff like Heart of Kiran (and Mardu Vehicles) would be very strong again, but I don't see any lists running any of the cards from this deck, so I'm a little worried how ***** it actaully is. I'm just thinking with the really strong mana base, that it's easy to have access to stuff like Assassin's Trophy, abrupt decay, Thoughtseize instead of Duress in the sideboard, Find // Finality could be sick too.

Pelt Collector is probably too slow, I think I want more spells than Nullhide Ferox lets me play and is it worth it running 4 Elvish Mystic along with the 4 Llanowar Elves to enable more turn 2 Steel Leaf Champion plays?
Is Heart of Kiran really that bad? is it even worth running with an aggro deck?

I haven't made a proper list yet, I'm just curious and wanted to ask what you guys think I should keep an eye out for. I'm pretty hype to be playing it again, but it would be nice to have a build that doesn't get annihilated hehe.

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If I'm not mistaken Thoughtseize will be the only tier 1 non-creature spell from Modern and Legacy that's legal in this format.

Actually, I'll go over the colors real quick looking for what they lost and kept compared to Modern and Legacy.

Red has lost probably the top 3-5 spells (Bolt, Looting, Chain Lightning, Forked Bolt, etc). We're literally talking Shock / Incinerate level now.

Blue has lost all existing cantrips as well as Jace, Delver and Snapcaster.

Green has lost its top 3-4 mana dorks and its top 3 tutors (GSZ, NO, Chord), only leaving Company behind. They also lost Goyf.

White has lost Path and Swords as well as SFM, which is already all the cards that ever made this color playable in eternal formats.


Yeah, I think I'd start brewing with black first... I think WotC will end up regretting reprinting TSeize in Theros. It's on paper the best spell in the format by a mile.

Black also has Fatal Push. I ******* love Fatal Push Have a feeling it's going to be very good in Pioneer.

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Terminator themed Return to Innistrad. Futuristic Horror! Alien too. Future of Innistrad. 10,000 years after Eldritch Moon. Now the story is they have the technology to travel to the moon. And Emrakul cultists are planning to travel there to break out Emrakul.

Total Recall + Terminator + Eldrazi would be awesome. They'd just be going to the moon instead of Mars, but I can't wait to get the Arnold planeswalker. Nyyyrrraaaaghh!!

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it's probably some kind of gimmick like OMG ITS ALL RARES FROM ALL OF MAGIC! except they're all cards like charmbreaker devils and mana short then they include a mana crypt with new art to maximize fomo and gambling aspects at a premium price

Sounds depressingly realistic and likely.

$450 is ******* insane for that.

Really cool art. It's nice seeing a different art style than just more random concept art looking stuff.

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And just like that we have another completely wasted plot thread. I swear, Wizards just does not know what to do with their stories anymore. The cursed Garruk/planeswalker hunter plot went absolutely nowhere and accomplished nothing, it feels like they just used this as an opportunity to quickly handwave it away and be done with it, just like they rushed through the Eldrazi. Even Bolas came off somewhat rushed going into the end of it, though it was handled mostly better all the same.

It all reads like a bad fanfic anyway. I'm just glad that we hopefully get some new good Garruk cards now.

This is ******* insane! I can't believe it's not a Legendary land. Funny how the set feels very weak, but then there's a hidden gem like this too.

What are you all's thoughts about Emrakul, The Promised End? Seen some decks run it lately.