Hello all, i have been playing one form of control list in modern since they banned seething song lol. With the recent drop in the price of Phyrexian Obliterater i have started working on a MB control/devotion list. Below is the test list i am working on. A few quick things:
1. All swamps for simplicity sake, cant see how they spells perform unless i can cast them.
2. all the one of removal is to just see what i need and i can use dark petition to get them, Same concept as the 1 of creatures.
3. my 3 drop slot is up in the air between dread shade and Geralf messenger.
4. whip is also just a card i really like, and i think the life link and throwing my crap at them late game.
Lands 22 (will need more maybe 23 or 24 once i get a better idea of the cards i want to run
- Swamps
Hello everyone, been reading this forum for a while and comparing list and i have a question about logic knot. I love the card and it is defiantly powerful but i'm currently running a 2 snap 2 search list as the only card that interact with my graveyard. idea is that there is a wide range of counter spells, i'm currently running 1 negate 2 leaks as low cost counters.
As for the questions is removing grave yard interaction to make it easier to run RiP and avoid any graveyard interaction the opponent might bring worth it or is it just to important to run more snaps and logic knots?
Thanks for the feed back everyone, for reference this is the current list i am running:
Lands
Marsh Flatts x4
Bloodstained Mire x2
Godless Shrine x3
Blood Crypt x1
Sacred Foundry x1
Concealed Courtyard x3
Blackcleave Cliff x1
Shambling Vents x3
Muta Vault x3
Urborg x1
Swamp x1
Plains x1
Creatures
Tidehollow Sculler x4
Dark Confidant x4
Artifacts
Smugglers Copter x3
Planeswalkers
Lilians of the Veil x2
Sorin Solemn Visitor x1
Sorin Lord of Innastrad x1
I have been loving having access to K command but that might just be because i love the card an normally i play playing grixis control so i have seen that card do work. I know it doesn't really fix to much in bad match ups it just gives me more games in fair matchups and i want to lean more heavily on my side board to KO the unfair list with cards such as runed halo and surgical. This is the first non blue control list i will be playing in modern since Seething song got banned so looking for as much impute on how to not just drowned people in snapcaster mage.From the play testing i have been doing worst match ups are any form of tron and titan lists, 5 color humans i have recently started testing against and it seems not to bad if u don't count the 1/5 games they just nut draw and kill me turn 4 threw discard and or kill spell. what are the decks yaw think i should be worried about and and tips on winning those match ups. Thank you and enjoy the rest of ur day.
Hello all been a little since i have been able to mess with magic, I took a shot and started playing a red guy ale list the used 3 K command and 2 crumble to dust side. only have like 4 red source between 2 black cleaves a sacred foundry and blood crypt. I really am happy with having main board artifact hate plus the ability to buy back bod and sculler is very strong and i haven't really felt much change in consistence of mana. What do you all think?
Also after seeing how well Freebooter has been doing in the 5 color humans list does that give it any validity in this strat? maybe not as a 4 of but could be tide hollow 5-6. i have not had a chance to test it yet so wondering if anyone else has been.
During your matches how did u feel Gifted Atherboorn performed over a Night hawk or Kitchen Finks? The flying on night hawk and persist on finks seem great and the cmc 3 while being a bit rough with bob triggers could be more powerful and worth it.
Ye the wording is the same difference between O-ring and Banishing light, i was just curious, i was testing sin collector for a while in a heavier creature list to abuse lili last hope more. and 3 mana was lot so wanted to see what people thought about new kid on the block.
Instant 9
Path to Exile x4
Fatal Push x3
Dark Blast x1
Zealous Persecution x1
Planes Walkers 4
Liliana of the Veil x3
Liliana last Hope x1
SideBoard
Kitchen Finks x3
Collective Brutality x2
Rest in Peace x2
Shadow of Doubt x2
Disenchant x2
Blood Baron of Vizkopa x1
Graftdigger's cage x1
Wrath of God (or Damnation) x1
Still not happy with the actually ins and outs of side broad but i love having the 4 creatures against both control and aggressive decks, Doubts because titan shift is more prepared for cage. wrath because i don't like leaving home without it. What do yaw think? Still testing on making the deck feel right for me, and feel good to play. Was also wondering what people think about the Kitesail freebooter as a 5-9 of tide hollow? Its a 1/2 and wont take creatures which could be bad but its only 1 black so its easier to cast if the deck black heavy. Just wondering what more experienced players think.
Thanks for the advice! After some testing i have added the 23ed land, it seems to be nice with getting to 6 mana to activate both a vents and vault. Love the idea of 4 lili v but i only own two and im borrowing my confidants to money a bit tight but the gideons seem like a win more in my testing. Maybe 3 lili v and a last hope being i run more creatures side..
What do you think about side board, what decks are really bad that i should focus on and if i have a elves heavy meta would 2 zealous and 2 wrath effects be enough?
Hello Everyone, Been playing Grixis control for years and UWR before that. Looking to start adding some 2 color control style list to my armory and Deadguy seems right up my ally. My list below is just my starting point form looking at what i have learned from years of blue control and and ghosting forums for about a week.
Reasoning: 6 Fetchlands is more for turning in revolt and making sure i can get basics to save life and bloodmoon. Split in basics is because the deck is still in construction so not sure which color i will be leaning more towards. Split between chapel and court yard is because i'm worried more about drawing a Courtyard late then a chapel early ( wish we had the BW cycle)/ only 6 man lands due to higher creature count in list.
Creatures 8
Dark Confidant x4
TideHollow Sculler x4
Reasoning: They both arguable best thing to be doing here
Artifacts 3
Smugglers Copter x 3
Reasoning: Works well with turning 1/1 spirits into 3/3, allows Sculler and Bob to add more to aggro plan and the loot is great, I am only running three to get more space doe spells and i have a few freind who play Grand Architect and 4 even gets cloggy for them with more creatures to crew.
Planswalkers 5
Liliana of the Veil x 3
Gideon Ally of Zendikar x 2
Reasoning: Lili works purefectly with this style of deck and is just plain strong, This Gideons is a great rate to both up are clock with his body, Anthem if we have a few spirits and grind control with tokens.
Reasoning: That is my normal split of discard between inquisition, siege and brutality. good balance of power and speed to both take what you need and not spend all your life. Souls is Souls lol
Instant 9
Path to Exile x4
Fatal Push x2
Dark Blast x1
Smother x1
Zealous Persecution x1
Reasoning: This is where i have gotten the most flakk for this list. "only 2 push?!?!" yes i know it is good but this deck does not work on mana denial and path just kills it dead with no hoops, the exile has also come up more then normal. Dark blast is a pet card that is powerful in certain match ups like elves and affinity but it gets sided out alot. Smother is so i have some form of removal if i get hit with a Chalice and it makes the curve work a bit smoother and i find that i end up with less wasted mana. Persecution is my favorite black white card, it can create huge blowouts, wipe boards and turn up you clock.
SideBoard 15
Pithing needle x1
Disenchant(or other type effect) x2
Shadow of Doubt x2
Slaughter Pact x1
Linvala, Keeper if Silence x1
Blood Baron of Viscopa x1
Rest in Peace x2
Wrath of god x1
Damnation x1
Kitchen Kinks x3
Reasoning: Just something i threw together to start testing cards, I like the kinks and blood baron in alot of place like against control and higher aggro decks. RiP for graveyard, Wrath and Damanation for wipes when needed ( mostly eldrazi) Pact because more kill, Shadow for Scapeshift and maybe cord decks, needle for walkers and disenchant effects because i don't like not having them in the board just not sure which once are right for this deck yet.
Let me know what yaw think and hopefully i can get this bad boy up ad running in no time. Have a great day
1. All swamps for simplicity sake, cant see how they spells perform unless i can cast them.
2. all the one of removal is to just see what i need and i can use dark petition to get them, Same concept as the 1 of creatures.
3. my 3 drop slot is up in the air between dread shade and Geralf messenger.
4. whip is also just a card i really like, and i think the life link and throwing my crap at them late game.
Lands 22 (will need more maybe 23 or 24 once i get a better idea of the cards i want to run
- Swamps
Creatures
Gate Keeper of Malakir x4
Dread Shade x2
Liliana Heretic Healerx1
Phyrexian Obliterater x3
Grey Merchant x2
Abyssal Persecutor x2
Kalitas, traitor x2
Walkers
Liliana of Veil x2
Liliana, the last hope x1
Ob nilix x1
Enchantment
Phyrexian Arenax2
Whip of Erebos x1
Sorcery
Inquisition Of Kozilek x3
Thoughtsize x3
Dark Petition x2
Instant
Victim of night x2
To the slaughter x1
Hero's Downfall x1
Collective Brutality x1
Murderous Cut x1
Dark Blast x1
Just started testing so any advice would be helpful!
Lands
Flooded Strand x4
Celestial Colonnade x4
Glacial Fortress x2
Hallowed Fountain x1
Temple of Enlightenment x1
Field of Ruin x4
Ghost Quarter x1
Island x5
Plains x3
Creatures
Snapcaster x2
Walkers
Jace, the Mind sculptor x3
Gideon of the Trial x2
Gideon Jura x1
Sorcery
Serum vision x4
Supreme verdict x2
Wrath of god x1
Terminus x1
Instant
Mana leak x2
Negate x1
Cryptic command x3
Path to exile x4
Enchantments
Search for Azcanta x2
Detention Sp[here x2
Runed halo x1
Spreading seas x4
Side board is a bit of a mess but is more tuned for what i play day to day then meta as a whole
Side:
RiP x2
Surgical x2
Stony Silence x2
Geist of Saint Traft x2
Ceremonious Rejection x2
Blessed alliance x1
Disdainful Stroke x1
Crucible of worlds x1
Dispel x1
Celestial Purge x1
As for the questions is removing grave yard interaction to make it easier to run RiP and avoid any graveyard interaction the opponent might bring worth it or is it just to important to run more snaps and logic knots?
Lands
Marsh Flatts x4
Bloodstained Mire x2
Godless Shrine x3
Blood Crypt x1
Sacred Foundry x1
Concealed Courtyard x3
Blackcleave Cliff x1
Shambling Vents x3
Muta Vault x3
Urborg x1
Swamp x1
Plains x1
Creatures
Tidehollow Sculler x4
Dark Confidant x4
Artifacts
Smugglers Copter x3
Planeswalkers
Lilians of the Veil x2
Sorin Solemn Visitor x1
Sorin Lord of Innastrad x1
Sorcery
Inquisiton x4
Collective Brutality x2
Thoughtseize x2
Lingering Souls x4
Instant
Path to Exile x3
Fatal Push x3
Kolagan’s Command x3
Side board
Collective Brutallity x2
RiP x2
Runed Halo x2
Surgical Extration x2
Ptihing Needle x1
Disenchant x1
Zealous persecution x1
Kambal x1
Anguished unmaking x1
Kalitas, traitor of Ghet x1
Linvala x1
I have been loving having access to K command but that might just be because i love the card an normally i play playing grixis control so i have seen that card do work. I know it doesn't really fix to much in bad match ups it just gives me more games in fair matchups and i want to lean more heavily on my side board to KO the unfair list with cards such as runed halo and surgical. This is the first non blue control list i will be playing in modern since Seething song got banned so looking for as much impute on how to not just drowned people in snapcaster mage.From the play testing i have been doing worst match ups are any form of tron and titan lists, 5 color humans i have recently started testing against and it seems not to bad if u don't count the 1/5 games they just nut draw and kill me turn 4 threw discard and or kill spell. what are the decks yaw think i should be worried about and and tips on winning those match ups. Thank you and enjoy the rest of ur day.
Also after seeing how well Freebooter has been doing in the 5 color humans list does that give it any validity in this strat? maybe not as a 4 of but could be tide hollow 5-6. i have not had a chance to test it yet so wondering if anyone else has been.
Hope everyone is well and has a great evening.
Lands 23
Marsh Flatts x4
Arid Mesa (or a black fetch) x2
Godless Shrine x3
Concealed Courtyard x3
Shambling Vents x3
Isolated Chapel x2
Mutavault x3
Plains x2
Swamp x2
Still workign to find a mana baed i happy with, not sure if u want the 4th mutavault or 1st vault of the arch angle. 5 colorless land seems alot.
Creatures 8
Darl Confidant x4
TideHolow Sculler x4
Artifacts 3
Smugglers Copter x3
Sorcery 12
Inquisition of Kozilek x4
Lingering Souls x4
Thoughtseize x2
Collective Brutality x2
Instant 9
Path to Exile x4
Fatal Push x3
Dark Blast x1
Zealous Persecution x1
Planes Walkers 4
Liliana of the Veil x3
Liliana last Hope x1
SideBoard
Kitchen Finks x3
Collective Brutality x2
Rest in Peace x2
Shadow of Doubt x2
Disenchant x2
Blood Baron of Vizkopa x1
Graftdigger's cage x1
Wrath of God (or Damnation) x1
Still not happy with the actually ins and outs of side broad but i love having the 4 creatures against both control and aggressive decks, Doubts because titan shift is more prepared for cage. wrath because i don't like leaving home without it. What do yaw think? Still testing on making the deck feel right for me, and feel good to play. Was also wondering what people think about the Kitesail freebooter as a 5-9 of tide hollow? Its a 1/2 and wont take creatures which could be bad but its only 1 black so its easier to cast if the deck black heavy. Just wondering what more experienced players think.
What do you think about side board, what decks are really bad that i should focus on and if i have a elves heavy meta would 2 zealous and 2 wrath effects be enough?
DeadGuy Ale
Lands 22
Marsh Flats x4
Arid Mesa x2
Godless Shrine x3
Isolated Chalpe x2
Concealed Courtyard x2
Sahmbling Vents x3
Mutavault x3
Plains x2
Swamp x2
Reasoning: 6 Fetchlands is more for turning in revolt and making sure i can get basics to save life and bloodmoon. Split in basics is because the deck is still in construction so not sure which color i will be leaning more towards. Split between chapel and court yard is because i'm worried more about drawing a Courtyard late then a chapel early ( wish we had the BW cycle)/ only 6 man lands due to higher creature count in list.
Creatures 8
Dark Confidant x4
TideHollow Sculler x4
Reasoning: They both arguable best thing to be doing here
Artifacts 3
Smugglers Copter x 3
Reasoning: Works well with turning 1/1 spirits into 3/3, allows Sculler and Bob to add more to aggro plan and the loot is great, I am only running three to get more space doe spells and i have a few freind who play Grand Architect and 4 even gets cloggy for them with more creatures to crew.
Planswalkers 5
Liliana of the Veil x 3
Gideon Ally of Zendikar x 2
Reasoning: Lili works purefectly with this style of deck and is just plain strong, This Gideons is a great rate to both up are clock with his body, Anthem if we have a few spirits and grind control with tokens.
Sorcery 16
Lingering Souls x4
Inquisition of Kolzilekt x4
Thoughtseize x2
Collective Brutality x4
Reasoning: That is my normal split of discard between inquisition, siege and brutality. good balance of power and speed to both take what you need and not spend all your life. Souls is Souls lol
Instant 9
Path to Exile x4
Fatal Push x2
Dark Blast x1
Smother x1
Zealous Persecution x1
Reasoning: This is where i have gotten the most flakk for this list. "only 2 push?!?!" yes i know it is good but this deck does not work on mana denial and path just kills it dead with no hoops, the exile has also come up more then normal. Dark blast is a pet card that is powerful in certain match ups like elves and affinity but it gets sided out alot. Smother is so i have some form of removal if i get hit with a Chalice and it makes the curve work a bit smoother and i find that i end up with less wasted mana. Persecution is my favorite black white card, it can create huge blowouts, wipe boards and turn up you clock.
SideBoard 15
Pithing needle x1
Disenchant(or other type effect) x2
Shadow of Doubt x2
Slaughter Pact x1
Linvala, Keeper if Silence x1
Blood Baron of Viscopa x1
Rest in Peace x2
Wrath of god x1
Damnation x1
Kitchen Kinks x3
Reasoning: Just something i threw together to start testing cards, I like the kinks and blood baron in alot of place like against control and higher aggro decks. RiP for graveyard, Wrath and Damanation for wipes when needed ( mostly eldrazi) Pact because more kill, Shadow for Scapeshift and maybe cord decks, needle for walkers and disenchant effects because i don't like not having them in the board just not sure which once are right for this deck yet.
Let me know what yaw think and hopefully i can get this bad boy up ad running in no time. Have a great day