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  • posted a message on Overburden = ETB trigger?
    Quote from Rezzahan »
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    Quote from peteroupc »
    C.R. 608.3a says that as a permanent spell with no target resolves, "it becomes a permanent and enters the battlefield under the control of the spell’s controller", without stating explicitly that a particular player puts that object onto the battlefield this way. Hence the argument that a player "put[ting] a creature card onto the battlefield" does not include nearly all cases when a permanent spell resolves as a creature.


    I understand your argument just fine. It doesn't literally say the word "put." It doesn't have to, since "put" has an English meaning. This argument is spurious and, as seen above, your rules lawyering is confusing other posters.

    Same goes for "draw", yet for the game, putting the top card of your library into your hand is not the same as drawing a card, even though they both mean the same thing. Specific wording is very important in this game.


    So why does Overburden trigger when your creature spell resolves and becomes a creature? Surely you are not claiming it only triggers for Sneak Attack type effects.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Overburden = ETB trigger?
    Quote from peteroupc »
    C.R. 608.3a says that as a permanent spell with no target resolves, "it becomes a permanent and enters the battlefield under the control of the spell’s controller", without stating explicitly that a particular player puts that object onto the battlefield this way. Hence the argument that a player "put[ting] a creature card onto the battlefield" does not include nearly all cases when a permanent spell resolves as a creature.


    I understand your argument just fine. It doesn't literally say the word "put." It doesn't have to, since "put" has an English meaning. This argument is spurious and, as seen above, your rules lawyering is confusing other posters.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Dragontorque
    "Your maximum life total is 10" would need to be defined in the rules, because there is no such thing as a maximum life total. Do you lose life down to your max life total at EOT, like discarding down to max hand size? Or can you just not go higher than 10? What if you're already higher than 10? This is not obvious.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Overburden = ETB trigger?
    Quote from Psyoniq »
    Do you mean that overburdens effect doesn't trigger when a creature is put on the battlefield due to casting that creature?
    I hope I misunderstood because it would make this cool card pretty useless, Creatures entering differently is too rare to make this card worth using. Right?


    Overburden clearly triggers when a creature spell resolves and is put on the battlefield as a creature. I have no idea why the above poster claims it does not.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Overburden = ETB trigger?
    Quote from Psyoniq »
    Thanks for the feedback!

    What do you mean by this?
    "For another, it arguably doesn't include spells that resolve as creatures (review C.R. 608.3a)."


    For some reason the above poster is arguing that Overburden doesn't trigger for creatures that are put on the battlefield due to resolving as spells. Only under the most tortured of rules lawyering is this position tenable.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Overburden = ETB trigger?
    The printed text of any card does not actually matter. What matters is the Oracle text on Gatherer. Overburden's Oracle text says:
    Whenever a player puts a nontoken creature onto the battlefield, that player returns a land they control to its owner's hand.
    It triggers upon a nontoken creature entering the battlefield, so players will get ETB triggers.
    https://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?multiverseid=24597


    Which trigger resolves first depends on whose turn it is and whose creature entered the battlefield. We process simultaneous triggers in APNAP order, meaning first the active player's (the player whose turn it is) triggers are put on the stack in whatever order they want, followed by the other players' triggers, in turn order, in whatever order they want. When those triggered abilities resolve they will do so in first in last out order.
    Posted in: Magic Rulings
  • posted a message on Purgatory Frog , Alpha Aetherfrog, Frograptera & Magician Frog
    It's just more coherent written this way, rather than stating a post-ex-facto (after the fact of)...


    The phrase is "ex post facto."

    The rest of your post, as usual, is meaningless under Magic design philosophies. Your card is written wrong, therefore it is not more coherent than a card written correctly, by definition.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Question
    Quote from Cursed »
    What is the value of forced fruition?


    Click on the link of the card in your post, it will take you to a page that shows you the median value.
    Posted in: Magic General
  • posted a message on random bear support
    Hidden Bears seems too powerful against Blue and Black, they basically can no longer play small creatures. I like everything else though.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Susi Ironsights
    How about:

    Equipment you control have Living Weapon.
    Germ creatures you control have haste.
    3, TAP: Exile target Equipment you control, then return it to the battlefield.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Susi Ironsights
    I like the flavor, but I don't get why you would ever want to do this when you could just equip the equipment to this creature and (since it's a 2/2) have it be bigger. Maybe a discount on the equip cost, but that might make it too wordy.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Gift of the Champion
    Quote from Pokerkingdave »

    I think if you changed it to this is could be workable.
    Discard 7 cards: Search your library for Gift of the Champion, reveal it, then shuffle and put it on top. Activate only at the beginning of your upkeep.


    Dredge can't use it on turn one and the 7 card restriction prevents potential abuse.


    This whole ability doesn't work. The card doesn't have the ability while it's in the library. You can't activate the ability of this card in the library (a hidden zone) any more than you can activate any other card while it's in the library.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Nevinyrral's Death Trap
    Everything you just said is meaningless under the rules of Magic.
    You are just trolling at this point.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Nevinyrral's Death Trap
    614. Replacement Effects
    614.1. Some continuous effects are replacement effects. Like prevention effects (see rule 615), replacement effects apply continuously as events happen—they aren’t locked in ahead of time. Such effects watch for a particular event that would happen and completely or partially replace that event with a different event. They act like “shields” around whatever they’re affecting.

    ...

    614.6. If an event is replaced, it never happens. A modified event occurs instead, which may in turn trigger abilities. Note that the modified event may contain instructions that can’t be carried out, in which case the impossible instruction is simply ignored.
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
  • posted a message on Nevinyrral's Death Trap
    "If... instead" is a replacement effect. Those are defined in the rules. You can't override that because of "coherence."
    Posted in: Custom Card Creation
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