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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Quote from D_V »
    After that last comment by LastWhisper.

    I feel safe in saying I don't think anything he has said is based in reality.

    ouch... And why is that?
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Also what is the chance that an evil role is in the hands of one of the current afks? its possible but without content I cant really place either of them. You guys really like making lean list, dont cha?
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    So who else wants to make a list and place me at the lower end of the spectrum, cant speak much for phraze aka bluedawn, but why do all these lists feel like they are just back packing of each other? The only inconsistency between most of these read lists so far is that osi goes from being scum in some and town lean in others.

    Grapefruit: Hes very open about his thoughts, and very aggressive as town and scum.
    Axelrod: so is this common in MTGS, that you just lean people based on if they agree with your opinion or not?
    Shinichi: Always like that, nothing new... He will stay neutral for me, I cant ever really place my brother anyways, so I tend to leave it to others
    Joe: Voted me early on, the intial vote was wierd, didnt want to vote, but was ok once tom voted me? but overall I think our fights through out day 1 make me believe he is town, and he actually does hold decent conversations with me...
    KillJoy and Azreal: Are two people im willing to lynch this day, also wall posts can come from scum, so your point is invalid. But you also realized that also since you have no scum game to compare it to... so kudos to you
    You: Still dont know where I want to place you yet.
    Dawn: *She, idk what to say about her yet... also how does Orb vs. Dawn reek of her knowing his alignment?
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    and for those who wonder why I don't out my role, that's solely because its a tool that shouldn't be shared so lightly, and there were many games were I was left to defend my self against power woofers, as a lowly VT, so I'd rather not use my role as a way of clearing my self this early. Which honestly I dont even understand why so many people are scum leaning me...

    P.S: Autocorrect changed wolfers to woofers lmao
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
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    Quote from LnGrrrR »
    See, you guys wonder why I keep harping on mechanics, and it is because people keep asking questions.

    Except - and I think you know this - the issue is that this is essentially all you are doing.  You have barely commented about other people in this game.  You're not giving opinions on them, or even giving the appearance that you're trying to find out their alignments.

    Looking back through your stuff, the sum total of opinions of other players I see essentially amounts to:

    (1) Voting for DBS, in what looks a lot like a bandwagon vote. 
    (2) Shin may have "townslipped"
    (3) Don't like Killjoy b/c his reads are opposite to yours (which you haven't expressed).  Then say GF's reads are opposite as well, but this may be just a difference of opinion.
    (4) very early you said you "liked" Terry so far.

    And, like, that's about it.  The majority of your stuff is arguing/defending the idea that anyone who Betrays should be viewed with suspicion.  There is also very little of what I would consider scum-hunting. 

    So, what are those opinions that you supposedly have? 
     
    Quote from Grapefruit21 »
    @Azrael earlier this page you were talking about trusting Iso enough to let him betray you if it wasn't for your low BP (post 672 sorry for no links on mobile) but in 680 you have him in your scum pool.  What changed?

    Felt the same way reading that.  And I really didn't much care for the "Iso was more neutral, but I didn't have enough scum in my scumlists so I bumped him down..." explanation. 


    I don't have an unlimited amount of time to post. I believe you also missed a vote on Whisper, and I noted KJ's weird "vote orb even though he isnt that scummy" before Iso, but whatever. Anyways though, I like Az, DV, Shin and Terry for town. Tom, Osi and you are leantown. Leanscum on KJ. Scum read on LastWhisper and DawnSky. The rest I am undecided/neutral on. I don't think I said that KJ and GF's reads were opposite mine, but their thoughts regarding mechanics.
    Dont see how u could easily have town reads on AZ, DV or anything but a neutral on Osi /shrug

    1. why do you still believe I am scum?
    2. are you scum reading dawn of her own accord, or for her white knight on me?
    3. How do you see Az's wish washing behavior as town?
    4. Do u just agree with everyone that doesnt like me? lol

    Thats all for now...
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Azrael feels all over the place to me...
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Quote from Azrael »
    Full game iso complete. Results compute as follows, most townish top, least descending:

    [b]Town[/b]
    Az
    realstinky – some weirdish role speculation and some weird piling on on last whisper. Not sure.
    Has a good read on LW’s post being scummish though. I like it.
    jenna- stylistically weird, but town, esp if truly new.
    Shinichi- they allege a townslip. I’m not so sure. Scum would have reason to be confident of that, also people who knew the source material null
    Phoenix fire- no pings, decent attitude.
    Tom – He’s after lngrrr. Hmm. Hard. And he’s probably right. Good tone throughout.
    Dawn- doesn’t mind claiming. Good mindset.
    Shinichi – no pings. Seems decently open.
    DV– Has stupid backup role. +Town. No pingage.
    Axelrod – meh. No pings.


    Scum or Neutral Killing Role?[/b]
    Killjoy – 1stish post stilts. Subsequent posts, great! Natural resp to poke, attack on LW. Hints at being town-aligned murderer. Bloodthirsty vs. Shinichi post.

    [b]Scum-[/b]

    Iso- Unsure what to make of low-level activity, or posts thus far. Does not appear to be focused on info-generation, however.
    Lastwhisper -1st post stilts and 2nd post. Persevered thru pressure afterwards, no strong reads. Osie- neighborizer. Very casual. Weak early pressure on two probably scum lngr and grape, that goes nowhere. From role analysis standpoint, if Bur was inspired by Az games, neighborizer is +scum. For whatever that’s worth.
    Lngrrr – Dislike stance on Shinichi, as he claims to have more than 5 BP himself. Conversing without taking definitive stances.
    grape- lots of referree’s, grading other players’ posting quality, without conviction.

    I'm pretty ready to go all in on those Lngrr and Grape reads now. Couple other people, such as Tom, spotted those before I did. They're good shots to take.

    1. Dont see why how you see me as scum...
    2. who claimed 5 BP?
    3. Usual Grape play imo, and a lot of people in this game have graded peoples post.

    and I am more of a willing to lynch type of guy:
    Lngrr, ISO, Killjoy, Azreal, Phoenix, DV at least so far

    and you like stinky for town because he thinks im scummy. ok... actually too of your town reads are because they agree with ur scum... is that what we call pocketing???

    also what is mind melding?

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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Nope not claiming... No reason to unless my train builds up again...
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Ok good, you're here last whisper. Let's have a chat. Who's scum? DO you still think I'm scum?
    I didnt think u were scum anymore after we had our little quarrel.

    Im not a fan of lists, and I cant say much about kill joy since I havent looked a lot into him, but if there are 3 mafia, then 1 of them is probably between Grr/Iso and Idk how I feel about Phoenix or Azreal right now.
    When did I stop being scum to you? Tell me why you think there are 3 scum?
    17 players, so either 3 scum and no tpr, 3 scum and 1 tpr, or 4 scum. and I did say "if", so idk why u want a more detailed explanation. Idk much balance wise when it comes to scum/player ratio, so that is just my guess...
    also I thought our bickering came more from V/V since I know I am town, and u pushing me didnt feel like scum pushing a town lynch
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Ok good, you're here last whisper. Let's have a chat. Who's scum? DO you still think I'm scum?
    I didnt think u were scum anymore after we had our little quarrel.

    Im not a fan of lists, and I cant say much about kill joy since I havent looked a lot into him, but if there are 3 mafia, then 1 of them is probably between Grr/Iso and Idk how I feel about Phoenix or Azreal right now.
    When did I stop being scum to you? Tell me why you think there are 3 scum?
    17 players, so either 3 scum and no tpr, 3 scum and 1 tpr, or 4 scum. and I did say "if", so idk why u want a more detailed explanation. Idk much balance wise when it comes to scum/player ratio, so that is just my guess...
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Ok good, you're here last whisper. Let's have a chat. Who's scum? DO you still think I'm scum?
    I didnt think u were scum anymore after we had our little quarrel.

    Im not a fan of lists, and I cant say much about kill joy since I havent looked a lot into him, but if there are 3 mafia, then 1 of them is probably between Grr/Iso and Idk how I feel about Phoenix or Azreal right now.
    Honestly Grr and Iso could both be mafia...
    Grr is lng btw, I dont know what people usually call him/her
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    I'm also not sure about Shinichi, but townlean. feels like he voted me to provoke a reaction, especially given how I responded to a vote on me. will keep an eye on him for now.
    Grape and Shin are harder for me to evaluate, but Grape tends to be over the top aggressive whens hes scum, and shin, I still have no idea how to read him, so I need to watch his tone and how he acts..
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Ok good, you're here last whisper. Let's have a chat. Who's scum? DO you still think I'm scum?
    I didnt think u were scum anymore after we had our little quarrel.

    Im not a fan of lists, and I cant say much about kill joy since I havent looked a lot into him, but if there are 3 mafia, then 1 of them is probably between Grr/Iso and Idk how I feel about Phoenix or Azreal right now.
    Honestly Grr and Iso could both be mafia...
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  • posted a message on Zero Escape Mafia - GAME OVER - No More Complex Motives™
    Ok good, you're here last whisper. Let's have a chat. Who's scum? DO you still think I'm scum?
    I didnt think u were scum anymore after we had our little quarrel.

    Im not a fan of lists, and I cant say much about kill joy since I havent looked a lot into him, but if there are 3 mafia, then 1 of them is probably between Grr/Iso and Idk how I feel about Phoenix or Azreal right now.
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    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Quote from Lastwhisper »
    Who are the players joining us for the first time from Myanimalist (or whatever it's called)?
    me and dawn
    Where is Jenna Tolaria from?
    no clue, do know him/her. Unless someone else from Mafia Society did a stealth join and made a new alias
    I mean grape plays on MS but I believe he was from here. Shin(my bro) came from MS also but he has played several games here already
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