Well the problem with Proph as scum teams is that both Eco and KJ are town reading him a pretty significant way and haven't really engaged with my scum case on him at all. Which is unfortunate...
Killjoy doesn't even essentially work with Proph given how he and Proph interacted prior to last EoD. Only Killjoy/Eco truly made sense
Strongly disagree. Can you expand on this? And I'm happy that you're considering Proph again but I just don't grasp how one AtE from KJ (as you put it) is enough to take him out of the PoE. Seems like a natural frustration that could come from either alignment unless I'm looking at the wrong post.
I'm more likely to assume unnatural frustration looking at someone like Proph, than looking at someone like Killjoy
he is so blissfully unaware of anything he does, or why I am reading him the way I do
anyways if the wolf team isn't exactly Proph/Killjoy, the game is just not winnable for town
there is the small chance if its is Proph/Eco, we can just get Eco yeeted
but then in that world, the Lylo team is irrelevant, since Killjoy is not going to think his reads are wrong
and vote either you or me, there is a higher chance he might vote Proph if you are alive, but I don't he does if I am alive
Screw me. I'm so sorry guys that I keep promising (and failing) to deliver content, the beginning of this week has just been an absolute rollercoaster. Deadline is on Saturday, it looks like? I'll try to carve out some time tomorrow to seriously grapple with this game.
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@Proph It's not so much RVS, but that post that was optimal distancing time. Adding in Timetwister didn't cost anything, and would have felt completely normal to do. In an Axel-DotA world, having DotA in there, or rather not specifically excluding him, wouldn't have felt weird at all.
Okay. I'm not gonna press on further with this line of questioning because I don't think it will deliver much insight into your alignment.
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As to entrance based reads, it was KIND OF a joke question, but kind of serious as well. One game, a long time ago, Wisp said he was really good at reading people based on entrances. (I think that) every game sincs, I've asked that question. This is actually the first game that I've gotten an affirmative answer (which I've kind of been holding that in the back of my head as a possible reason he might be scum, that that answer was false and he made up the reads.) Entrance based reads are being able to make decisions on alignment based on first posts.
OK, this makes sense. Wisp's 330 was the post where he answered you re: entrance based reads (where he said that Axel had a good entrance and I had a poor one).
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Per DV: I think you're referring to when I was reading DV's initial aggressiveness as malice, but then I recontextualized it as just DV being emotional? I'm not sure? Can you quote where you're referring to here?
at this point I may start believing DV is being malicious, I honestly don't know though
Either way I'm not voting Proph, regardless of how sound DV's case maybe, and the inconsistencies he may? have found
I'll revisit the possibility of Proph being a wolf again, on day 2
I'm not sure he's being malicious.
Just irrationally emotionally driven maybe.
ya I mean, I just have a vendetta against playstyles like that, it's just, it can make the game unfun in town worlds.
either way it's hilarious that you are making this post, when you think me and DV are partners
like I don't really understand what town!killjoy is doing right now
I actually don't think DV is scum rn.
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Literally the reason you're a wolf there is because I was doubting Wisp being scum at that point and you being scum with Eco fit my "one high one low" theory I was actively looking at. That's it.
So, you went from townreading me (for asking poor questions and reminding you of yourself), to scumread (because of this one high one low theory you had), to null-town (where you said "I actually don't actively think you are rn. I also don't actively think you're not.
I'm kinda at the point where "Proph has a lot of effort, it's probably townie effort, but I'm not gonna remove him from the PoE without more info."") and now to strong town? Can you walk me through all of this progression?
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And he keeps shading me for being uninformed, it's annoying, he wants me to be a god, while he does absolutely nothing? This game has been crazy hard for 0 reason, if killjoy was actually town here, I should be able to see it in his posts, not with the garbage meta, that tells me, "Killjoy is just being useless old killjoy". Which isn't even technically true, because I looked at his recent town games, and he pushes his thoughts, and does not hold his vote close to his chest. If he believes someone is a wolf, he votes them, he fights with them.
Wisp, can you link me to his recent town games? I've been skimming his "recent" scum games (Token Power 4, Dark and Stormy) and I feel like he has a consistent tone as either alignment.
mostly, I'm looking for any hint of emotion, which I got. The other meta I'm looking for, was him actively pushing his reads, which he hasn't been doing, which is still boggling me
Honestly I'm gunna sleep on it, but idk how can possibly see that post coming from wolf killjoy
What? I am very lost because KJ hasn't really done anything townie in the last page.
Anyway I haven't thought about the game at all because Giannis!!! My brain will be working again in the morning.
/shrug
AtE is my greatest enemy and that was the most human post Killjoy has written all game
but this game comes down to the fact that, If killjoy is not a wolf, this game is a up hill battle, that I don't think is winnable anyways, unless its exactly Cross/Eco
are we reading different games???
he is so blissfully unaware of anything he does, or why I am reading him the way I do
anyways if the wolf team isn't exactly Proph/Killjoy, the game is just not winnable for town
there is the small chance if its is Proph/Eco, we can just get Eco yeeted
but then in that world, the Lylo team is irrelevant, since Killjoy is not going to think his reads are wrong
and vote either you or me, there is a higher chance he might vote Proph if you are alive, but I don't he does if I am alive
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AtE is my greatest enemy and that was the most human post Killjoy has written all game
but this game comes down to the fact that, If killjoy is not a wolf, this game is a up hill battle, that I don't think is winnable anyways, unless its exactly Cross/Eco
so Idk anymore