I havent been in one game where roleblocking couldnt stop a nk, so I dont understand why it was even a question... super kills have always been the only thing that goes through a roleblock.
its a setup thing sometimes scum have to send one member of the team to do a kill sometimes its just a factional kill that cant be tracked/watched/roleblocked
what you mean? You saying that some set ups, have it so only non factional kills can be roleblocked? like vigi shots? but mafia kills can still be roleblocked?
I havent been in one game where roleblocking couldnt stop a nk, so I dont understand why it was even a question... super kills have always been the only thing that goes through a roleblock.
tbh I really like ur reads in most games, but right now Im gunna go with my gut and say Tom is scum here, I mean me and you have been wrong/right around 50/50, so Ill take my chances.
Tom has spent most of the day so far, commenting on peoples posts against me, and trying to get people to vote me... lol
do you think Shinichi is town? I'm starting to think otherwise. I mean, I could be wrong about him being town..
hell if I know, I mean he allied me, even though I said I was gunna betray... and he then he makes statements like, "I dont care who you are, I will scum/town read you on what you do this game," and also says stuff like, "I cant believe my brother betrayed me." lol I find him as hard to read as I find you, lol. But he makes a few multi quote posts, and then goes back to scum reading you, and focusing mainly on you, and I dont how I feel about it. This tunnel feels so bad to be coming from scum imo.
Look if Iso is town, I'm town, and Dawn is town... then the lynch yesterday was gunna be a mislynch regardless...
I'm actually thinking Iso is scum lol
as of right now, the only thing I dont like about Iso, is how he went from claiming vigi (yes I know it was a mistake, but who even cc's a vig claim), to being a vengeful, it just feels to convenient
We didn't lynch mafia because we didn't lynch Az when I said we should have. I have a single vote. I can't put 9 votes on a single player. You caused us to completely waste half of Day 1 by playing coy with your claim, so it's no wonder we had a last-second lynch. And you say I'M willing us to lose? No. If this town wants to win, it will follow me to the ends of the earth or fail. There is no in-between.
I love this post from iso, i honestly trust him enough plus my own read on az to say we should just lock a lynch on him.
again how can you like this post by Iso, I dont think this is Dawn's scum game, and thats not gunna change, but how can Iso use the arguement, "I am only one person," when Ive been saying the same thing... lol, I didnt make people switch to grapefruit, and I certainly didnt have a hand in getting people to remove there votes on me.
He doesnt even reference dawn as being scum here wtf? Hes talking about azreal and how people should have followed him on that read.
Why did u vote GF?
Well his quote was about dawn, so I thought id drop it in there. Well ya he wants to lynch Az, but his most seemed more like shade against Dawn... Im willing to follow Iso now at least, and with that I ask, are you gunna waste another day with your vote on Dawn all day. Seriously this is getting old, move your vote to another scum lean plz...
and I scum read GF, because I didnt like his early tunnel on grrr, I didnt like his aggressive tone, and I didnt like how he voted me after saying, "I am never voting last before Dawn"...
tbh I really like ur reads in most games, but right now Im gunna go with my gut and say Tom is scum here, I mean me and you have been wrong/right around 50/50, so Ill take my chances.
Tom has spent most of the day so far, commenting on peoples posts against me, and trying to get people to vote me... lol
What you didnt learn is how ineffective meta is i Guess. Now only is that game different, the people are different, the pace is different, the phase length is different. Shall I go on? Meta is ineffective.
oh? then tell me what you were implying when you quoted Last's reply to me and said, "I can see that". you were referencing one of our old games, right? that means you ARE relying on meta.
Seeing the same thing as you involves meta, but that itself wouldnt change ym read on last.
and so you agree. if that is the case, both of us are using meta, and you have no right to criticize it.
Shin is that guy to say how much he hates using meta, but uses it anyways, and tells other people their meta reads are wrong, yes I just shaded him...
if you ARE right, then why didn't we lynch mafia instead? just because you're right in lynching town doesn't mean you're otherworldly right, since even mafia knows that.
you need to lynch and flip mafia to count as having caught mafia. all talk and no bite. and hey, even mafia knows their own members so...you could've easily known that.
I'm trying to re-assess the situation. I daresay there's a chance I could be wrong. so yes, there is no right until the game ends. you haven't exactly tried to make sense of things and the flip, only wanting to prove that you know someone will flip town. aren't you just willing us to lose?
We didn't lynch mafia because we didn't lynch Az when I said we should have. I have a single vote. I can't put 9 votes on a single player. You caused us to completely waste half of Day 1 by playing coy with your claim, so it's no wonder we had a last-second lynch. And you say I'M willing us to lose? No. If this town wants to win, it will follow me to the ends of the earth or fail. There is no in-between.
I love this post from iso, i honestly trust him enough plus my own read on az to say we should just lock a lynch on him.
again how can you like this post by Iso, I dont think this is Dawn's scum game, and thats not gunna change, but how can Iso use the arguement, "I am only one person," when Ive been saying the same thing... lol, I didnt make people switch to grapefruit, and I certainly didnt have a hand in getting people to remove there votes on me.
He doesnt even reference dawn as being scum here wtf? Hes talking about azreal and how people should have followed him on that read.
Why did u vote GF?
Well his quote was about dawn, so I thought id drop it in there. Well ya he wants to lynch Az, but his most seemed more like shade against Dawn... Im willing to follow Iso now at least, and with that I ask, are you gunna waste another day with your vote on Dawn all day. Seriously this is getting old, move your vote to another scum lean plz...
and I scum read GF, because I didnt like his early tunnel on grrr, I didnt like his aggressive tone, and I didnt like how he voted me after saying, "I am never voting last before Dawn"...
I'm right because the evidence in-thread supports it
I think I will lose because my team isn't listening to me
I already caught the mafia
me surviving over Grapefruit is useful because I caught the scum and he didn't
there is "right" before the game is over because the scum are a non-fluctuating value that was pre-determined as the game began and if you don't think the scum are scum then you're wrong
if you ARE right, then why didn't we lynch mafia instead? just because you're right in lynching town doesn't mean you're otherworldly right, since even mafia knows that.
you need to lynch and flip mafia to count as having caught mafia. all talk and no bite. and hey, even mafia knows their own members so...you could've easily known that.
I'm trying to re-assess the situation. I daresay there's a chance I could be wrong. so yes, there is no right until the game ends. you haven't exactly tried to make sense of things and the flip, only wanting to prove that you know someone will flip town. aren't you just willing us to lose?
We didn't lynch mafia because we didn't lynch Az when I said we should have. I have a single vote. I can't put 9 votes on a single player. You caused us to completely waste half of Day 1 by playing coy with your claim, so it's no wonder we had a last-second lynch. And you say I'M willing us to lose? No. If this town wants to win, it will follow me to the ends of the earth or fail. There is no in-between.
I love this post from iso, i honestly trust him enough plus my own read on az to say we should just lock a lynch on him.
again how can you like this post by Iso, I dont think this is Dawn's scum game, and thats not gunna change, but how can Iso use the arguement, "I am only one person," when Ive been saying the same thing... lol, I didnt make people switch to grapefruit, and I certainly didnt have a hand in getting people to remove there votes on me.
@Phraze Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
Can you explain this again? I want to better understand how you came to this conclusion.
also why do you town read Tom?
you sure forget a lot lol
scum usually focus on finding faults in the town. the more pressure someone receives, the more likely they're going to make mistakes, and scum will capitalize on that mistake. the scumteam just has to tilt the board in their favor, whenever town tries to move in the right direction. finding fault can seem like scumhunting, but it is more sinister and controlling.
this kind of buildup was what happened since that early D1 tie. the town's focus was heavily shifted towards Last, for being scummy, and Dawn, for fooling around. Killjoy was questioned by Dawn, and his absence was capitalized on - Osie and others noted that he hardly posted in the thread. I think another reason Killjoy was pushed was...his scumread on Osie? that seemed to be the main reason Killjoy was scumread: for scumreading Osie - the D1 tie was just the starting point. the easiest mislynch candidates were Dawn/Last, not Killjoy, which means Killjoy must have been onto something since he was ANYTHING but an easy mislynch.
as for Tom, his thinking process is clear. I don't see any hidden agenda or caution in his actions that are indicative of being scum. he doesn't have that 'sinister and controlling' 'trying to find fault' vibe. I'm pretty sure he's town.
also you asked me before why I scum read tom, I want to do an Iso on him, to fully understand him, but I just have this feeling that he is scum... Like He defense of Jenna felt like it came from someone that already knew he would flip town, which obviously we dont know that, but I'm just saying thats how it felt.
and I dont like attacking people for not being able to be active at certain times, but again the way he appeared at the EoD is just so uggh...
and why did he get so mad when I associated him with Jenna, like his tone did a 180... lol
I mean maybe ill move him up to neutral, but he isnt getting at town read from, and regardless of if he believes his vote on me isnt omgus, it totally is... lol
I was ok with being lynched day 1, because a mislynch day 1 is sometimes hard to avoid, but I'd rather not take the L on day 2 lol... Im just waiting for that certain something, that I know is gunna happen lol...
1) town watcher outing joeterry's buddy
2) town fpsing
3) scum with a weird bus plan
4) scum trying to get two townies lynched over her
2>1/4>3
well if you are town, ur also trying to get two townies lynch :), well actually u didnt really have a hand in Grape's lynch so I cant really say that lol.
Just a quick pop-in; still busy until tomorrow evening, but I've glanced at the thread here and there over the past couple days.
@Jenna: Could you just do your whole reveal after solely Axel out of those four responds?
Every time I've looked at the thread, even the shortest glance, has just confirmed my feelings from throughout the game that while some of his reactions feel townie, overall Last is more likely scum than not.
Vote: Lastwhisper
@Cythare: HI T-SWIZZLE! HOPE ALL IS WELL!
@Dawning: What is your read on Jenna and why? Also, can you give non-meta-based objective reasons for why you're townreading Last? Can you give reasons other than fluff or long posts for why you're voting me?
@Jenna: What is your read on me and why? Outside of his interactions with you, can you give me objective reasons for why you're scumreading Terry?
@Dawning/(sorta Terry): Investigative roles that are not alignment-based (i.e. not alignment cop) generally can function as either alignment, and Watcher is certainly no exception. Scum!watcher can declare accurately what their results are without it saying anything about their alignment or the watched. In that vein, what Jenna is doing with asking people to claim their interactions with D_V is doable as either alignment. It can be slightly anti-town in the sense that it can reveal role info, but overall it's not too bad. Alternatively, Jenna could actually be a Voyeur and inherently trying to narrow down her pool. The implication from what she's said though is that she's some sort of watcher, and I don't think it's useful to assume that she's lying about that. It is reasonable to assume that she might be lying about any need to hear what people say they did, or that she might lie about what people did.
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See y'all tomorrow evening.
Lol. That pop in/pop out, sexy... again being ambiguous, how bout not hiding your reason for voting me, behind a veil of ambiguity... your lynching a man, and all you got is, "I swear every time I come into this thread he looks scummier." What a joke
@Phraze Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
Can you explain this again? I want to better understand how you came to this conclusion.
Take grapefruit for example, even though he knew he was going to be mislynched he didn't claim his role. That's a good townie. If Jenna is town, she's doing a bad job.
Grapefruit should have claimed and that's a fact, he was reviver which was as provable as the vig. claiming investigative roles is much harder to prove, so why would Jenna do that as scum...moreso when we have a cop flip?
I mean I agree and I dont, would you believe a reviver claim? Also 2 inves roles so ok, I mean I wouldnt say I know proper set ups, so I dont know if 3 would be to much...
Tom has spent most of the day so far, commenting on peoples posts against me, and trying to get people to vote me... lol
and I scum read GF, because I didnt like his early tunnel on grrr, I didnt like his aggressive tone, and I didnt like how he voted me after saying, "I am never voting last before Dawn"...
also you asked me before why I scum read tom, I want to do an Iso on him, to fully understand him, but I just have this feeling that he is scum... Like He defense of Jenna felt like it came from someone that already knew he would flip town, which obviously we dont know that, but I'm just saying thats how it felt.
and I dont like attacking people for not being able to be active at certain times, but again the way he appeared at the EoD is just so uggh...
and why did he get so mad when I associated him with Jenna, like his tone did a 180... lol
I mean maybe ill move him up to neutral, but he isnt getting at town read from, and regardless of if he believes his vote on me isnt omgus, it totally is... lol
also what am I at? L-2? or L-3?
Last/Terry/Killjoy should all be town for that early D1 tie. all 3 of them gained focus that never actually broke down even after dozens of pages later.
Can you explain this again? I want to better understand how you came to this conclusion.
also why do you town read Tom?