@thnkr
If you watch Pierakor v. Shoktroopa, there are significant differences to their respective play styles. This is something both have acknowledged in their own various videos and/or posts.
Nobody's attacking the overall data, as I believe we've all mentioned, it's extremely thorough and excellent to have. However, as with any data, it needs to be properly scrutinized in order to be properly applied.
For example, your Delta on Summary Dismissal is 4.84%. Meanwhile, the Deltas on both Karn, Scion of Urza and Gifts Ungiven are 32.92%, with positive Weighted %. If we use just that information, we should be jamming multiple copies of Karn and Gifts. Yet, your own deck list in your signature contains 0 copies of either. Similarly, Spatial Contortion shows a -0.03% Delta and 0 Weighted %, yet you run 3 between main and side. The data also indicate that Island is negative Delta and Weighted %, while many of the blue spells on the list are positives...
Data is great, but it doesn't provide a 100% clear picture of everything that's going on with a deck and/or the meta it's competing with.
The point with Summary Dismissal is, there are matches it can be excellent in and matches it can be totally useless in, just like many other cards. However, the data reflect this, imo, given that the Total Games with 0 copies is over 900, while the wins with 1 and total games with 1 are both under 40. It's used in niche situations against specific matchups. If you know which matchups those are and your particular play style and deck list have a high win % against them already, while your matchups against other archetypes is weak, you're going to want a different card.
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Darkx87 posted a message on [Primer] MonoU Tron - "The well-oiled machine"Posted in: Control -
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BadMcFadden posted a message on [Primer] MonoU Tron - "The well-oiled machine"A problem with forum like this is anybody new isn't going to read 732 pages of discussion to see what's already been said. Your link will soon be on an old page itself and that'll be the end of that l. Notwithstanding that I wouldn't point someone to a 2015 source for info on a deck anyways. The format is ridiculously different now and there's no way to know which advice in there has been rendered bad advice by format changePosted in: Control -
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Rjawas posted a message on [Primer] MonoU Tron - "The well-oiled machine"Posted in: ControlQuote from BloodyRabbit_01 »So, in the end.
Maybe you should start thinkIng with your own head, instead of focusing on what most people do ^^
There is a massive difference between putting up a result with a list from an unknown local tournament and 5-0/4-1 multiple times on mtgo and all of it streamed. I'm not discounting the work you put in but people follow what shok does because he backs the list up with results against a known field of players. It's hard to justify some of the changes without meaningful results against a known base of competition. Shok is also the one posting 90% of these finishes which is why the deck doesnt move too much until he adopts it. -
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topkyle posted a message on [Primer] MonoU Tron - "The well-oiled machine"Mindslaver is our inevitability against Midrange and Control and if you're able to stay alive a Slaver without the lock against Combo usually ends the game by disrupting them. People are scared of it too and spend resources to keep it at bay. It's only a liability against aggro, in which case just board it out for more removal and jam in some more Wurmcoils. I think it's 100% insane to not play at least one (I do 1 main/1 side) and I haven't seen anyone REALLY advocate for removing them entirely.Posted in: Control -
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thnkr posted a message on [Primer] MonoU Tron - "The well-oiled machine"I'm not comparing on what the purpose of the two cards is. I'm comparing the results of what 700+ games of data by an experienced pilot show. Now, if I were to compare what the two cards do, I would say that Dismember allows for delaying an opponent's gameplan in a good number of cases, much like our counters and bounce spells, whereas Anticipate allows for hitting land drops, assembling Tron, or digging for threats/answers as necessary. The two cards fill very different roles. My personal approach is to use the data as a guide.Posted in: Control
An example of why my list is the way it is is that I also prefer to run 3 Chalice of the Void in the main. This allows for shutting off most 1cmc spells after turn one on the play or two on the draw, so that the rest of the deck can work just making land drops and delaying the gamestate until a win is assembled.
I'm not going to get upset that others don't want to try the cards that I prefer. If it upsets you that I don't want to play with the amount of Dismembers that you feel are best, I don't know what to say I was only answering your question. - To post a comment, please login or register a new account.
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https://tkos7.github.io/Mono-U-Tron/
This is a 99-page primer on Utron, written by u/tkos7 on reddit. Mad props to him, definitely worth a read.
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