Thank you for the explanation regarding sideboard!
When do we bring in Ensnaring Bridge?
I guess decks like Merfolk?
I imagine Hatebears not because of Flickerwisp?
What about DS?
What about Affinity?
A list or anything would be appreciated.
I don't think we need sideboard for Storm and Valakut. Those are some of the best matchups for us. Especially Storm. Eidolon is better than Halo here. Post sideboard they will likely go for Empty anyway.
Regarding DRev vs Spree:
Vs Eldrazi Tron any Affinity Spree seems much better. I am more afraid of Chalice on 2 than chalice on 1. With Spree I can even destroy 2 chalices at once.
Hi everybody! A friend of mine plays a similar version of this deck (He runs GRB Death Shadow) and he's looking for help to improve his deck and collect feedback about it.
This is his list:
Pretty new to Burn and going to my first big tournament in two weeks. Meta unknown. I would appreciate some advice regarding my sideboard (Mainboard is standard Boros list with 19 lands and 1 Lavamancer):
3 Destructive Revelry
2 Shattering Spree
3 Path to Exile
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Kor Firewalker
2 Deflecting Palm
1 Searing Blood
Not sure about the Firewalkers, and would appreciate Feedback in general.
Going to a few PPTQ's the next few week and I've been really looking at this deck or Abzan midrange..
I really like Hazoret but I also feel I could use a second Tarfire.. And then there is the LLanto special, he is a real expert with this deck so I could be tempted to give it a try..
Do you guys still play a basic forest? It sucks to draw it sometimes but in matches where life total matters (burn,affinity) it is so handy to have..
I really think Hazoret should only be in the side. Too expensivw to run it main.
I still like the Forest. Great against Burn, Path and Blood Moon.
About Hazoret:
So if you have two creatures on the battlefield, like one Hazoret and one Death's Shadow, and so your opponent will only have to remove one of them (the Death's Shadow) and can just ignore your other one, which is rendered useless.
I like her too. Great in the Grixis Mirror.
I also thought about running a 3rd Lily. Both in the side though. I feel Hazoret is too slow a lot of times and only good in the side.
Do you run Hazoret and 3 old Lilys main? What do you cut for it?
I am thinking about cutting the Souls completely in the SB.
I started playing Magic about 4 months ago. Jund DS was my first deck. I switched to Grixis DS and started playing Burn a bit, but I still like the deck a lot. I took it up again with a few minor modifications for a qualifier today. I won the tournament (17 people only, but hey, still won a bye for the MKM series).
Here is how I did:
1. Burn - 2:1
Collective Brutality, Goyf, Shadow and Temur Battle Rage as MVPs (as to be expected). The Burn matchup is one of the reasons I like the Jund version over the Grixis version.
2. Affinity - 2:0
I knew there would be some affinity players, so my sideboard was well prepared with Kataki, Ancient Grudges, Lingering souls etc. The Affinity matchup is one of the major reasons I like the Jund version.
3. Grixis Shadow - 1:2
My only loss today. Hard matchup as expected. However I would have won if I did not make a mistake in the last turn. I played Hazoret and 2 shadows the same turn. Attacked into one Gurmag Angler with the hasty Hazoret. He had two removal spells ans swung for the win.
4. Burn - 2:0
Burn again. Pretty easy this time, the Burn player was not experienced with the DS matchup. Had 3 Shadows out in the second game in turn 3. He played Shrine of Burning rage so I boarded in grudges too.
5. Eldrazi Tron - ID (2:0)
He offered the draw to be sure we both make top 8. I accepted. We played it out just for fun and I crushed him. One game I won turn 3! Turn 1 Death's Shadow (3x cycle, Fetch Shock), Turn 2 second Shadow, Turn 3 KC his only blocker and swing for the win. First turn 3 kill for me.
--- Top 8 ---
6. Grixis Shadow - 2:1
Very close as to be expected. Same guy I played before. This time I won because of a mistake he made. Ranger was my best card here.
7. Affinity - 2:1
Same guy I played before. Game two he had plating out really early, I didn't draw any artifact removal. Game 3 Kataki, Goyfs and enough removal sealed the deal.
8. Finals: Eldrazi Tron - 2:0
I was just too fast for him. Happy to not see any chalices. First game two Thoughtseizes, a Shadow and a Battle Rage where enough to seal the deal. Second game he had a wormcoil engine out, but two Goyfs, a Shadow and a Kolaghan's Command where enough.
Overall I went 8-6-1-0
I think the matchup for Affinity, Burn and Eldrazi Tron is better compared to the Grixis version, the Grixis mirror is hard though.
I am very happy how this went and apparently I anticipated the meta right.
When do we bring in Ensnaring Bridge?
I guess decks like Merfolk?
I imagine Hatebears not because of Flickerwisp?
What about DS?
What about Affinity?
A list or anything would be appreciated.
Is GY hate even necessary anymore with DS decreasing in popularity?
I don't think we need sideboard for Storm and Valakut. Those are some of the best matchups for us. Especially Storm. Eidolon is better than Halo here. Post sideboard they will likely go for Empty anyway.
Vs Eldrazi Tron any Affinity Spree seems much better. I am more afraid of Chalice on 2 than chalice on 1. With Spree I can even destroy 2 chalices at once.
First of all: Congratulations!
Where can I read the article on Vontrol vs Burn?
Tarmogoyf is missing. This is not an option but a must have. 4 Goyfs, no discussion. If you don't want to play Goyf, don't play the Jund version.
Also I prefer Mishra's Bauble over this Bauble.
3 Destructive Revelry
2 Shattering Spree
3 Path to Exile
2 Relic of Progenitus
2 Kor Firewalker
2 Deflecting Palm
1 Searing Blood
Not sure about the Firewalkers, and would appreciate Feedback in general.
I think 2 of each would be the correct number in your deck.
With 3x Blood Moom in the side I would cut one color main though.
I really think Hazoret should only be in the side. Too expensivw to run it main.
I still like the Forest. Great against Burn, Path and Blood Moon.
I am pretty new to Burn and would guess the following:
Good:
Storm
Valakut
Tron
Lantern
Dredge
Bad:
EldraTron
Affinity
Jeskai
Hatebears
Company / Merfolk / fast creature decks
Ad Nauseam
Neutral:
Death's Shadow variants
UW Control
Grixis Control
You seem to confuse Hazoret with Rhonas.
Differences to mine:
Main:
-1 Hazoret. +1 Kolaghan's Command
-1 Abrupt Decay +1 Tarfire
-1 Liliana of the Veil +1 Liliana, the Last Hope
Side:
-1 Surgical +1 Cage
-1 Souls +1 Hazoret
2 Grudges, no Fulminators, 1 Push, only 2 Collectives, 1 Ethersworn Canonist
I love Hazoret but think it is too slow for the main.
Also think Tarfire is great against Affinity and Hatebears, Merfolk etc.
What are your thoughts about Ethersworn Canonist?
I also thought about running a 3rd Lily. Both in the side though. I feel Hazoret is too slow a lot of times and only good in the side.
Do you run Hazoret and 3 old Lilys main? What do you cut for it?
I am thinking about cutting the Souls completely in the SB.
1 Blood Crypt
1 Overgrown Tomb
1 Stomping Ground
1 Godless Shrine
1 Swamp
1 Forest
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
1 Marsh Flats
2 Polluted Delta
CREATURES (12):
4 Death's Shadow
4 Tarmogoyf
4 Street Wraith
3 Fatal Push
4 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Kolaghan's Command
2 Tarfire
2 Temur Battle Rage
2 Terminate
4 Thoughtseize
4 Traverse the Ulvenwald
OTHER SPELLS (7):
2 Liliana of the Veil
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
4 Mishra's Bauble
2 Ancient Grudge
2 Collective Brutality
1 Fatal Push
3 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Hazoret the Fervent
1 Kataki, War's Wage
1 Kozilek's Return
3 Lingering Souls
1 Ranger of Eos
Here is how I did:
1. Burn - 2:1
Collective Brutality, Goyf, Shadow and Temur Battle Rage as MVPs (as to be expected). The Burn matchup is one of the reasons I like the Jund version over the Grixis version.
2. Affinity - 2:0
I knew there would be some affinity players, so my sideboard was well prepared with Kataki, Ancient Grudges, Lingering souls etc. The Affinity matchup is one of the major reasons I like the Jund version.
3. Grixis Shadow - 1:2
My only loss today. Hard matchup as expected. However I would have won if I did not make a mistake in the last turn. I played Hazoret and 2 shadows the same turn. Attacked into one Gurmag Angler with the hasty Hazoret. He had two removal spells ans swung for the win.
4. Burn - 2:0
Burn again. Pretty easy this time, the Burn player was not experienced with the DS matchup. Had 3 Shadows out in the second game in turn 3. He played Shrine of Burning rage so I boarded in grudges too.
5. Eldrazi Tron - ID (2:0)
He offered the draw to be sure we both make top 8. I accepted. We played it out just for fun and I crushed him. One game I won turn 3! Turn 1 Death's Shadow (3x cycle, Fetch Shock), Turn 2 second Shadow, Turn 3 KC his only blocker and swing for the win. First turn 3 kill for me.
--- Top 8 ---
6. Grixis Shadow - 2:1
Very close as to be expected. Same guy I played before. This time I won because of a mistake he made. Ranger was my best card here.
7. Affinity - 2:1
Same guy I played before. Game two he had plating out really early, I didn't draw any artifact removal. Game 3 Kataki, Goyfs and enough removal sealed the deal.
8. Finals: Eldrazi Tron - 2:0
I was just too fast for him. Happy to not see any chalices. First game two Thoughtseizes, a Shadow and a Battle Rage where enough to seal the deal. Second game he had a wormcoil engine out, but two Goyfs, a Shadow and a Kolaghan's Command where enough.
Overall I went 8-6-1-0
I think the matchup for Affinity, Burn and Eldrazi Tron is better compared to the Grixis version, the Grixis mirror is hard though.
I am very happy how this went and apparently I anticipated the meta right.