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Magic Market Index for April 20th, 2018
 
Pauper Review: Dominaria
 
The Limited Archetypes of Dominaria
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons
    Quote from robot »
    Who is Shilgengar?


    On Innistrad, Edgar Markov was originally a human alchemist. A famine swept the land, and Shilgengar (who was a demon, and possibly the creator of said famine) used that as a means of persuading Edgar to perform a ritual that used the blood of an angel to give himself and his kin (including Sorin Markov) immortality and the means to survive the famine.

    That led to the creation of the vampire race on the plane.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons
    Quote from SilverWolf_27 »
    Now that Edgar was confirmed, do you think we will get Shilgengar too? While not a vampire himself (or maybe he is demon vampire?), he has to have some synergy with them.


    He did have a hand in creating the race on Innistrad, but I'm not sure that's enough of a reason to include him.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons
    Quote from ashrog »
    I would like to see Runo as well, but surely his ocean-god-worship hints at a partially blue color identity. So not in this deck.


    A part of me still thinks that they should have used the sea god as the main antagonist in SOI block, as much as I like Emrakul.

    I'd like to see Runo though.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Flisch »
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
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    Making your universe/multiverse/whateververse smaller is a risk you take when you try to shift your focus away from planes and towards individual characters.

    Fixed that for you.

    Like, come on, you can still tell a coherent overarching plot without having to follow the same five people every set.


    Except that the person I replied to was talking about Ajani, Jace and Vraska bumping into each other on Ixalan, which contributes to the "feeling small" issue.

    Yes but that's merely a symptom. Vraska, Jace and Ajani wouldn't have to meet on Ixalan if the events on ixalan were the important bit rather than the planeswalker's whacky escapades.

    An excellent example of how to write a coherent storyline without having to focus on planeswalkers is how Tarkir was tied into Battle for Zendikar. It was one single unbroken storyline what with Ugin awakening etc. Instead of always using a single planeswalker to tie one block to the next (kind of like a moving camera that changes focus when two planeswalkers cross paths) they cranked it up to 11 and put the planes somewhere in the background.


    I see what you mean.

    To their credit though, they tried to shift that balance to the other end with Hour of Devastation. The stories there took a lot of the focus off the Gatewatch after the Razaketh fight, and didn't shift the focus back on them until the very last episode.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Ixalan General Discussion
    Quote from Flisch »
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    Making your universe/multiverse/whateververse smaller is a risk you take when you try to shift your focus away from planes and towards individual characters.

    Fixed that for you.

    Like, come on, you can still tell a coherent overarching plot without having to follow the same five people every set.


    Except that the person I replied to was talking about Ajani, Jace and Vraska bumping into each other on Ixalan, which contributes to the "feeling small" issue.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Kimalla Boros Planeswalker Speculation
    Quote from graffd02 »
    So if she is a "Legendary Planeswalker" will this be a new type of planeswalker that can serve as a Commander? Similar to the 2014 Commander deck commanders.


    If she is legendary, and assuming nothing about the legend rule changes, it just means that you could control multiple Kimallas with different names at the same time. If the Commander rules were changed to allow for planeswalker commanders wholesale, they'd have to ban certain planeswalkers as commanders immediately, such as Tamiyo, Field Researcher.
    Posted in: Speculation
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons
    Quote from RaltheMad »
    And making him five colour would be a gross mistake. Urza never did anything remotely green. I would go as far as to say he is the embodiment of everything green hates. I am sure he will get a card eventually but it will probably be playing on his skills as an artificer as you said. Which is a shame because we had this product last year.


    I don't mind Breya "taking Urza's spot" (so to speak), but I wished she got her own story, since Esper being able to create new Etherium on their own is actually a pretty big deal for them (and possibly Alara as a whole).
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander 2017 General Discussion (Renamed)
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    A proper representation of Choryu ain't happening this year though.
    Because none of the decks is wall tribal. Evil :p
    That was nasty and you know it.

    Sorry, couldn't help it.

    It's really the first thing that comes to mind when I think about him though.
    Hidetsugu cruel and ridiculously exaggerated vengeance is one of the most memorable plot lines of the block for me and one of the reasons it became my favorite plane.
    Choryu as some kind of water mage or Minamo agent just wouldn't do it for me.


    >Looks up what happened to Choryu

    Oh. Ohhhh! Now I get it. That's pretty messed up, even considering Magic lore as a whole.
    It was very sad and horrific. Especially since he was young and just following orders. I thought he had the worst fate of all in MTG until I saw what became of Konda...


    On the other hand, Hidetsugu not only got his revenge, but he ended up becoming a being on par with The Sisters.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Commander 2017 General Discussion (Renamed)
    Quote from Azurhawk »
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    A proper representation of Choryu ain't happening this year though.
    Because none of the decks is wall tribal. Evil :p
    That was nasty and you know it.

    Sorry, couldn't help it.

    It's really the first thing that comes to mind when I think about him though.
    Hidetsugu cruel and ridiculously exaggerated vengeance is one of the most memorable plot lines of the block for me and one of the reasons it became my favorite plane.
    Choryu as some kind of water mage or Minamo agent just wouldn't do it for me.


    >Looks up what happened to Choryu

    Oh. Ohhhh! Now I get it. That's pretty messed up, even considering Magic lore as a whole.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons

    Serra would like a word about that, he basically strong armed her into collapsing her entire plane into an energy source for his long term anti-Yawgmoth plan to "save her people" from the problem he brought to her doorstep lol


    Is that how it went? I recall it being that Serra left the plane to its fate (because of said Phyrexian corruption Urza brought to its doorstep), Radiant took over, and the combined factors of Serra being gone and Radiant's insanity led to the plane's inevitable collapse. At least by collapsing it into an energy source, he could make use of it.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Commander 2017 General Discussion (Renamed)
    Quote from Etherium Sage »
    EDIT: Regarding cats. I started playing with Innistrad and only read the Kamigawa books, so I'm not familiar with any other Cats. I'm sure Ajani is a thing, perhaps Mirrodin cats, IDK. It's an obscure tribe anyway.


    Just because you're obsessed with Jenrik and Choryu doesn't mean everyone else is, and that's what you have to factor in when wanting things to be in these products. That doesn't excuse what they did with guys like Ludevic or Ulrich though.

    Also, I don't know why you insist on assigning strong terms like "trash" to things.

    Furthermore, I started getting involved with this game around Theros, and I know more about Alara than I do about Theros. I just find the former plane more interesting than the latter. Speaking of Alara, there are at least two prominent Cats to be taken from that plane: Marisi (the Bolas agent who split up the Cat tribes into the Wild and Cloud Nacatl, and who orchestrated the death of Ajani's brother at Bolas's behest to prevent the two tribes from making peace) and Zaliki (the female Cat priestess who actually carried out the act of killing Jazal Goldmane). Of those two, Zaliki is more likely to be in the Cat deck itself.


    I didn't say I expected anyone else to be obsessed with those characters though. It's what I want to see, especially over new, random characters when we get those all the time elsewhere and only get past characters in Commander products. So I consider randoms to be an unfortunate loss of potential. For the record, Jenrik is dead. And technically, WOTC did release him on a card as I requested. It just happened to be Tamiyo's Journal. :roll eyes:

    Trash: I explained it a while ago, but if I rant or say very abrasive things, it's an old form of humor from the YGO forums (when I used to play that game) where "card games are serious business" and "tell us how you really feel" are implied. For example, Crystal Beasts was a popular deck in YGO, but Konami is trash (this time I mean it literally) and never gives players what they want. So when a new set is announced its many fans will be like "CB support or I'm mailing them the charred remnants of my deck with Anthrax" - horrible, but also funny because you just know we're all screwed over in that game and yet have passion for it. Not to be taken literally. I carried that humor to MTG, where things like Jenrik getting killed over getting a card bring it out. Since YGO designs horrible… everything… my catchphrase on the forum (before a set is even revealed) was "Set is trash." And it always was, too lol

    It's cool you know about Alara, but I just don't. I'm not familiar with famous Cats and don't really need to be since it's not my style. I read up on Esper because I do love Silas Renn.


    OK, fair enough.

    Regarding your knowledge of Alara, to be fair, I also find Esper the most interesting of the shards/former shards (if my username and Silas Renn avatar didn't already make that obvious). I hope Crucius gets a card one day, but if he's a planeswalker, it might not be anytime soon.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on Commander 2017 General Discussion (Renamed)
    EDIT: Regarding cats. I started playing with Innistrad and only read the Kamigawa books, so I'm not familiar with any other Cats. I'm sure Ajani is a thing, perhaps Mirrodin cats, IDK. It's an obscure tribe anyway.


    Just because you're obsessed with Jenrik and Choryu doesn't mean everyone else is, and that's what you have to factor in when wanting things to be in these products. That doesn't excuse what they did with guys like Ludevic or Ulrich though.

    Also, I don't know why you insist on assigning strong terms like "trash" to things.

    Furthermore, I started getting involved with this game around Theros, and I know more about Alara than I do about Theros. I just find the former plane more interesting than the latter. Speaking of Alara, there are at least two prominent Cats to be taken from that plane: Marisi (the Bolas agent who split up the Cat tribes into the Wild and Cloud Nacatl, and who orchestrated the death of Ajani's brother at Bolas's behest to prevent the two tribes from making peace) and Zaliki (the female Cat priestess who actually carried out the act of killing Jazal Goldmane). Of those two, Zaliki is more likely to be in the Cat deck itself.
    Posted in: Magic Storyline
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons
    Quote from Goryo »
    Does anyone else find it strange that they're pushing white vampires? I mean, for Sorin it made a little sense, but as one of Black's iconic creatures it makes about as much sense as white demons or red sphinxes. Iconic tribes have crossed colors in the past (Fallen angels are black, for example, and rogue merfolk and elves can also be black) but taking creatures of the night that literally survive by draining blood from their victims and trying to put them in white seems a bit of a stretch. White already stole black's zombies in Amonkhet--it made sense in context, but regardless, seeing all these tribes shifting colors so liberally is beginning to feel chaotic.

    Ixalan will be interesting, for sure.


    To be quite frank, every non-mana creature we see (and some mana creatures) has to survive by feeding off something else. White creatures are white typically because they preserve some kind of order or structure, and/or are about "the needs of the many".

    Maybe when it comes to mono-white vampires, they could be like Angel (the vampire from Buffy who got his own show), where they use non-human blood or have ethics when it comes to consuming it, or they could be like Blade where they use something (a potion or whatever) to suppress their need for blood.


    Quote from Goryo »
    In any event, I don't see how they push Edgar Markov into White. He's the progenitor of a Red/Black vampire race that he brought into being through an unholy blood ritual involving an archdemon and a slain angel. Meanwhile, his grandson Sorin's white represents his betrayal of his vampire kindred.


    Just because he created a race of red and black creatures doesn't mean he's just red and black himself.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons
    Quote from Caranthir »

    Zaliki the nacatl priestess, who became kha after Ajani left Alara


    She also accidentally killed Ajani's brother, which is pretty big.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on 5 colour dragons , Selesnia Cats, Mardu Vampires, Grixis Wizards and new Red Balloons
    Quote from RSSR »
    And I can finally peace out out of C17. Here's hoping Dominaria gives me what I've patiently waited for. Smile


    And that is what again?
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
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