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Granted I hope they bring the power this time. Last time only Teferi rose up to the top so they only need to make two powerhouses to beat that.

Daretti was no joke, and still isn't in some ways.

Also while I'm an artifact nut, I'd like something that gives enchantments some love for a change, and isn't weaksauce like Daxos the Returned.

I think Converge might also be a decent mechanic to use here. Assuming the mana-base to accommodate the multicolored theme is half-way decent, Converge would be a better fit for Alara than it was Zendikar.

Speaking of multicolored, there's a surprising lack of multicolored card examples in this thread.

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I don't see any reason that the Sigils shouldn't simply have Exalted, the existing keyword can be used either with or without the keyworded form of Award (i maintain that the Treasure token precedent is more apt, and keywording Award is unnecessary unless you have plans for other cards to reference the specific action).

Additionally, formally bringing Exalted into the set through the Sigils allows it to be used in other ways. A Noble Hierarch reprint would be very desirable in a return to Alara, and it could be included as a special case of Exalted even though the majority of the mechanic would be appearing through the Sigils.

As for Morbid not playing nicely with the other mechanics, I see that as more of a feature than a bug. Grixis is the most likely shard to cause the other four to unite against it, the death and undeath laden realm is thematically at odds with not only the opposing shards, but also the adjacent shards. Gross meat abominations and zombies really mar the orderly, sculpted Esper lands, and rising undead and conniving demons disrupt the predatory hierarchy of Jund.

I guess his aim was to make the Bant mechanic truer to how Sigils work, but Exalted is a decent mechanic, and people would expect it to return. The perspective on Grixis being odd in terms of mechanical synergy is valid IMO.

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Was it discussed somewhere by Wizards why, on the 25th anniversary and on the most prominent plane in Magic history, they decided to only do a one set block? A lot of our issues with representation of other Dominaria things and the rushed story could have been solved by having more than one set. Seems strange to me. I mean, we're still having four sets a year, right? They couldn't dedicate at least two for such a big anniversary? Shrug.

MaRo said that the 2-set paradigm was kind of a fail, so that's part of why they switched to one big set at a time.
HOWEVER, he also said that Creative was no longer beholden to the "New block, new plane" standard. so they do have the freedom to have back-to-back big sets on the same plane, if the storyline dictates. So there is a possibility, however slim, that the next set will still be on Dominaria.

This right here. We don't know what plane the next non-Core Standard set will be on. While it's likely that it won't be Dominaria, it's too soon to get upset about Dominaria being only one set.

My main concern with an Alara return is that the shards probably should have some color bleed to indicate that the plane has reunified. You see that to some extent with Alara Reborn and some of the Alaran characters that came out in the Commander sets.

I do like the mechanics though, especially Utilize and Award. Also, considering they developed independently of each other for a long time, the shards maintaining their mechanical and flavourful identities almost like nations wouldn't be a stretch.

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Also, I am very angry that this is a one set block. >:(

I'm generally not a fan of being on the same plane too long, but I wouldn't mind Dominaria getting a second set.

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Teferi could have been such a great card if only he had a better ultimate

You typically don't judge a planeswalker card by its ultimate unless it's an ultimate you can reach quickly like Nahiri, the Harbinger or Nissa, Vital Force.

Teferi's first two abilities can be useful in a control deck, which is probably where he'd be slotted into anyway.

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Oh, wow, Weatherlight really is the only vehicle in the set.

I'm getting the impression that Vehicles will be used very sparingly compared to Equipment, which I don't have an issue with.

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Hold on there. Would anyone have said Codex Shredder would be a proven, competitive card when the set was released? What about Shrieking Affliction, Pack Rat, or Ethereal Armor? It's easy to tell how good a card is in retrospect. I think this is kind of a silly exercise.

I think the most we can do right now is ask ourselves, how do we feel about this set, right now, compared to how we felt about other sets upon seeing the full spoiler? For me at least, this set is definitely above average. It's actually hard for me to understand how this set wouldn't wow someone.

(When was Nivmagus Elemental ever good, though?)

For most of these cards, no, I wouldn't. But I would have said for other cards that would end up not seeing play. It is questionable if these two things cancel themselves out, but what you asked me was what is a reference point for a set with good eternal impact, and that's what I gave to you. Of course I did it in hindisight, that's the safest way to do it.

I think his point is that it's not fair to just dismiss cards when they're first spoiled, as there might be very different results when they're out in the wild.

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Believe me, I wanted to LOVE this set.

But once nostalgia-blindness subdues, ppl will realize how mediocre Dominaria is in terms of power level.

I'm curious. What do you want? Every card (or 90% of the cards, to use the overused percentage) in the set to be Modern-playable?

I haven't read many of your posts, but the ones I have do not give me the impression of someone who wants to like a set, much less love it.

Gideon: We will never use a soul-drinker ever. Never ever.

Flavour text of said soul-drinker: Hold my beer.

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Quicksilver Amulet what? 5C Legends is gonna be serious in EDH.

It's a good thing Omniscience isn't historic.

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I would have preferred Esper Wizards because Jeleva and Nekusar are already a thing. White Wizards with tax or restrict effects would be cooler, like Magus of the Moat or whatever. Also I just love Esper. But hey, I'm sure the deck will lean heavy to Blue which I have no complaints about

I'm guessing the Wizard deck will have an instant and sorcery spell theme to it which works better in UBR (the three colors with the lowest % of creatures). From my own custom designs that played with a UBR fraction I found it can be interesting to play UR spell forced like deck that added in the extra control, kill spells and graveyard recursion that B can give. A spell focused deck also would be a flavorful deck for wizards.

So my comments:

1) There's a lot more in this story than people realize, I think, or at least they're commenting on. Ral Zarek is about 4th on this list. Let's go through them.

A) The Gatewatch is NB's creation and tool.
NB clearly believes--and in most cases can back up--the idea that the Gatewatch is his creation and tool. It is discovered that Jace has been relatively surrounded by his agents in his PW 'life'. Tezzeret, Ral Zarek, and Liliana all qualify, and before the Gatewatch, are the PWs that Jace met and interacted with. Chandra and Nissa were manipulated into releasing the Eldrazi. Liliana's dealings with NB are well known. Gideon's is the least well known, but Gideon's forays in Bant give a clear ability for NB to manipulate him and learn about him.
More importantly than this, defeating the Gatewatch is an accomplishment the equal of obtaining the Planar Bridge and the Eternals in NB's mind. He describes the Gatewatch as 'loose in the Multiverse'. Not 'scattered', not 'lost', not 'not a threat'. He makes clear at the beginning that 'kill the Gatewatch' was an acceptable but not preferred outcome of the situation. He wants the Gatewatch as the Gatewatch around. Why?

B) Ugin (and perhaps Jace) may have a much longer plan.
Jace runs into NB's mind, and encounters something that reminds him of another mind. I (and most) thought it was Alhammeret, but then someone pointed out that it was a verbatim description of Ugin's mind. And... why would Jace not only not remember something like that, but it seems that Jace himself erased the memory. Why? When have Jace and Ugin met? Only twice; at the Eye when Ugin lectures him and after the defeat of the Titans when Ugin berates the Gatewatch. So... what was there to forget? Only the meeting at the Eye was one-on-one. Perhaps Ugin and Jace discussed more than the story revealed? Perhaps NB? Perhaps a plan? The point is not that I know what's going on. It's that there's clearly a gap in Jace's mind regarding Ugin and we know of no reason for there to be one. It should be noted here that 'creating a plan and then wiping it from your own mind' is a known plan for dealing with a mind mage. There's also the fact that Jace is known to be able to survive his mind being fractured... given that he's been doing so for most if not all of his life.
The other option is that this indeed is Alhammeret's mind and not Ugin's and they recycled the text for... little to no gain.

C) Ral Zarek is an agent of NB.
I think Jay said everything appropriate here, but I might point out that there is some discussion that Ral may have become an agent of Bolas because of Jace becoming the Guildpact or something similar. The opposite may be much more compelling: Ral was trying to become the Guildpact as a way to get out of being an agent of Bolas. Tezzeret and Liliana both make clear that working for Bolas royally sucks. Ral might have been searching for a way out of that tyranny. He tried to kill Jace in the Maze because Jace was going to win.
Also realize that if Ral is an agent of Bolas, maybe his report of Vraska PWing to 'nowhere' was simply a lie. We have only his word for it. Alternately, a very long plan of NB would be for him to say that to Jace so that when Jace fled on Amonkhet his mind would take him to the first plane it attached to... being Ral's reference to nowhere. IOW, some form of (nonmagical) hypnotic suggestion.

2) Liliana didn't betray the Gatewatch.
Why does anyone believe that? She first pleaded with them to run away and then ran away herself. She did whatever she had to do to get away. Where is there any indication that she plans to uphold her end of the 'bargain' with NB? There is none. Now, NB played it for all it was worth (see below) and Liliana was forced to go along--the alternative being death--but her entire arc is regaining her self-control and not being beholden to anyone for anything. She may have taken (another) step back here, but she is slowly learning that part of her self-control is not being self-reliant. So yeah.

3) NB's personality is fine.
Who's going to tell him how he should behave? Who can compel him otherwise? He's a classic example of an internet persona. He says what he wants and does what he wants because there can be no consequences for those actions. So sure, he's a dick. (He has other reasons as well.) He's a ham. What are you going to do, kill him? Pssh. As if.

4) His plan for taking out the Gatewatch was precise and subtle.
Ignore the banter and taunting that was just surface glitter on the plan. He took the Gatewatch out like dominos, one falling after another, and each fall causing the next. I'm guessing the only reason 'falling like dominos' wasn't explicitly used was because dominos aren't around or easily referenced in Magic.

A) Target #1: Jace. Why Jace first? He's the weakest, for one; for two, his weakness is his own mind. He is his own greatest weakness. You start dominos falling with a domino that is already unbalanced, and Jace is certainly that.

B) Target #2: Liliana. Jace makes Liliana fall. He is her pressure point, particularly within the Gatewatch. (Note also that Chandra is becoming one.) The only reason Liliana was still around was because Jace was there. As soon as he vanished, the scales tilted towards 'getting out of here'. And then things unfolded as discussed above.

C) Target #3: Chandra. Liliana wasn't Chandra's pressure point, per se, but she would definitely take betrayal that way. Particularly after the sisterly escapades in Kaladesh and regaining her family, loyalty has become important to her, and she falls because she can't deal with Liliana's (very rational) response to a terrible situation.

D) Target #4: Nissa. Chandra's fall then leads to Nissa. This mainly hearkens back to Kaladesh and the fact Gideon had to be last. Also, NB had to know how long it would take for Nissa to use her animistic powers, so she could be pushed back in the list. Finally, it should be noted that Nissa was the most effective member of the Gatewatch here.

E) Target #5: Gideon. Gideon thinks he's strong when he doesn't have to worry about his friends. He's wrong. He needs his friends. For a purpose if nothing else. A very appropriate weakness for a White character in Magic is an external locus of control; he defines himself by his friends. And so he is left alone.

5) NB is lying about being able to control the Chain Veil. If he isn't, and he can use the Veil safely, why didn't he take it? There wasn't anything preventing him, as far as I could tell. The only way he isn't lying is if he believes that it serves him better for Liliana to have it. And how would that work out?

Anyway, it was very interesting and, appropriately, left more questions. The biggest question in my mind is what is Ral doing that NB wants and why is he late? What timetable is NB working from, and are there consequences (for NB) for not meeting it?

This story was everything I wanted. I wasn't looking for anything deep, anything "characteristic" of a being with millennia-old plans. I was looking for a good-old fashioned ass-kicking handed out by my favorite character in MTG. I feel like people sometimes forget that he's a god-damn dragon.

"Over the long years, Nicol Bolas knew it served him poorly to be too much the dragon. But it was no fun to be the dragon too little."

Bolas didn't forget. If Bolas was just some powerful, ancient wizard guy, I wouldn't have cared about him at all and most likely would have despised the character. Instead, he's also a dragon that can do dragon things. I find that far more interesting. Not only can he dominate you on a mental/magical front, he can utterly decimate you on a physical front as well. He can do both at the same time. I would have been disappointed if he didn't fly around and dive bomb Nissa and Chandra or used his tail to racketball Gideon off of a wall while conversing with Jace and Liliana. Why shouldn't he use all of his strengths?

His taunts were just the right amount of smug as well. 25,000+ year old dragons need to have fun too.

"And then there were three. I didn't want to annoy your dear departed necromancer, but between us, I admit I know a fair bit of necromancy. Do you have an opening in your Gatewatch? Is there some type of application process?"

This line here? Solid gold delivered at the perfect time. He said it right after Liliana effectively betrayed the remaining three. Nissa, Chandra, and Gideon aren't known for keeping their cool. If they had even a small chance of winning, this line would have immediately changed the odds to 100% in Bolas's favor. What can I say? I'm a sucker for theatrics.

The story wasn't a literary masterpiece but it did everything I wanted it to do and it gave me a small plot point with Ral Zarek. I'd call it my second favorite HoD story after Endure.

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I might note here that the one person we know of who can heal madness and other psychological problems is Tamiyo. So it's very likely that Jace loses his memory, Ajani finds him, and takes him to Tamiyo to be healed. It also allows Ajani to find out what's going on with the rest of the GW. Presumably.

Someone else suggested on the HoD thread that it might be more fun if Bolas fixes Jace's memories. That could be even more traumatic for him than getting memory-wiped again.

They got too cocky. Jace and Liliana should have known better about Bolas's power. Only Ajani was smart enough to know that they needed more help

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Because when a ship sunks, pirates drown, and when vehicles are destroyed , nothing happens to the crew

We're talking about a game where the most powerful known Eldritch multiverse-travelling abomination can die to 13 or 15 flying squirrels, depending on which version you go with.

And snakes can wear boots.

And wurms can wield Loxodon Warhammers.

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Because when a ship sunks, pirates drown, and when vehicles are destroyed , nothing happens to the crew

We're talking about a game where the most powerful known Eldritch multiverse-travelling abomination can die to 13 or 15 flying squirrels, depending on which version you go with.

And snakes can wear boots.