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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Quote from TLR_TLR »
    Yes, I agree the different lists are confusing. That's why I will create a new thread in order for me to control the first post and keep confusion out of here as much as possible. I'll admit the checker still having cloudpost was a mistake, I forgot to remove it.

    As for the Griffin still banned, well, I'm not sure if the deck that plays the scourge wants them both (I believe not), but Griffin might be better. The deck's strength is the recursion in the late game, so 3 or 4 mana is not that big of a deal, but flying and not having the "sac when targeted" clause might make the card much more desirable.

    The deck itself is very resilient, hard to fight and put some results. With this rotation, cloudpost was banned, Pod rotated, GW and Burn lost key pieces, so I'm not sure if making it a bit stronger is desirable. Not planing to have another very dominant deck in the meta soon. Unbanning the card won't allow a new archetype/deck, the deck doesn't need a push, so banning would either do nothing or just do more harm, so for now, I'll leave it as it is. But sure, if scourge doesn't put up results, it might see an unban in the future.



    TBH i wouldn't be against seeing Fact or Fiction revisited... Although it would probably also go into the UW cawblade shell. Control without Post seems anemic at best. I should be back this sunday. and maybe even friday and ill bring some new creation Smile but to me Control seems very weak now.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    And as always let me give me 2 cents on what I expect/hope to see soon

    Interesting cards rotating in



    Plus many more amazing new cards along with Cloudpost banned and Burn losing key parts look forward to seeing what everyone comes up with Smile



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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Quote from Ink_Stain »
    Hey everyone,

    I'm looking to get into heirloom and I was wondering where I should to check for card legality. The Google Doc and the Heirloom: Legality Checker
    both have conflicting information at times. For example: the doc has Progenitus as legal but not according the the Checker and vice versa for Karakas.


    Checker is the Bible. Google Doc is outdated a bit at times.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    I almost want to play Saheeli delver today just to play the most expensive Heirloom deck ever lol.

    Saheeli is up to 16 tickets each today lol. glad I bought that playset for 1.5 tickets each for my heirloom deck. I just paid for my next 10 decks.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Quote from Yokai_ »
    Ban two cards instead of cloudpost? Come on, it does not make sense. Ban cloudpost, there is no other card to ban. And ban it before the invitational, we dont want tons of cloudpost variants playing it.

    Expedition Map is not a problem, Cloudpost is.
    Glimmerpost is not a problem, Cloudpost is.
    Eye of Ugin is not a problem, Cloudpost is.
    All these cards are not op without Cloudpost, Cloudpost is the root of the problem. Banning it will restore the heirloom metagame's health.


    Summer Bloom was banned in modern to slow a deck down without banning the card that actually broke the deck (Amulet)
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    oh your right eye is a mythic... my bad. but yeah w/e ban post maybe one day tron lands will come into Heirloom...... the balanced cloudpost.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    On a Non banning sidenote
    Smuggler's Copter is now down to 45 cents and has a good chance of coming in next rotation with its standard ban. Wonder if anyone has any idea's for it Smile my RW vehicles deck I had brewed a while back would love 4x Smugglers.

    Not to mention Scrapheap Scrounger Might be making its way into the format as one of the ultimate anti control cards... My Jundvine deck may finally get a chance to shine next next rotation as long as cryptbreaker stays legal :).
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Quote from dleifelttiL »
    I dont think banning two cards that are reasonable cards so that the problem card can still be allowed to just "maybe" be a problem going forward is an efficient answer to the problem.

    There haven't been alot of people even putting up real attempts at trying to solve the problem with cloudpost in actual game play. This season has been one of target whatever won the previous week if its obvious(gW midrange in response to burn)(then cloudpost to hose the midrange creature decks). Or just play whatever won and snowball the chances of the better deck winning more often.

    If the case is that cloudpost is far and away superior, which TLR has shown math as such, it should be the target for ban IMO. I personally would like bannings to come along with rotation announcements for sake of clarity and preparation by the field of competitors.
    If everyone feels its alot of gambling on which matchup the round you play cloudpost gets for the invitational deck and wants it banned for that (assuming a ban at rotation) I can get behind that, but dont personally have a preference either way pre season end.




    The problem is if you don't ban 2 cards you have to just ban post...

    Post doesn't need glimmerpost to win and Expedition map is Cloudpost 5-8 and Ugin 2-5 ect ect...

    Expedition map goes in every cloudpost deck as a 4x regardless of color and makes you not run colored mana to get the lands. Taking out map will slow the deck and make you make meaningful Color Choices. but if you take out only map you gotta hit Glimmer too.

    But my list of cards by order of importance.


    #1 Cloudpost (kills the deck)
    #2 Expedition map (hurts consistantcy of fast mana)
    #3 Glimmerpost (no lifegain)
    #4 Ugin (without Map you can't run 1x and its harder)



    EDIT how is eye of ugin even legal? Foils are not supposed to affect

    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Modern Masters 2015/Eye of Ugin#online
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Worldwake/Eye of Ugin#online

    Neither of the rare versions went below 70 cents after KD release and the Only version that did get within the price was The masterpiece promo with 0 in stock because no site was dealing in non foil Masterpieces untill treasure chests became tradeable (which is why you see it jump up to 6 dollars)
    https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Zendikar Expeditions/Eye of Ugin#online

    .... Eye should have never been legal in the first place and was an oversight....



    But I mean take out Map or Glimmer or both and Eye will rotate since mastepiece pricing (which shouldn't even matter) is now fixed and at 6 dollars.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Now I'm going to bring a suggestion that no one has brought yet.

    If you want to target ban cards based solely off the deck and not the power level of the cards.

    Ban Glimmerpost And Expedition Map..

    Both are replaceable but Would slow the deck down immensely. and make you run 4x post 4x thespian Stage (which is a slow card) and 4x Slyvan Scrying Or some other higher mana cost land search. So you can still have the super late game Post mana base. but no Map to play search up my posts or search up my 1x's for COLORLESS MANA would make people forced to run colors like Green for Sylvan Scrying Making the deck slightly less consistant because you would have to drop an actual land to play it or play it off a Star/sphere whatever is legal Like Modern Tron decks are forced to do.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Slept through the event Frown but as I see another week Another 2 top 2's from Cloudpost. Fun Fun Fun.

    what is that 6 wins in last 8 events now? that deserves an emergency ban.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    yeah its just at the time Dark Ritual decks would have still been 1 turn behind Cephalid decks :)... But yeah not sure it would ever been fine to come back.


    However I would ask that maybe we Ban cloudpost for the Championships given the format thing? I mean I could run 4 different colored Cloudpost varients in 3 different rounds....

    Swiss Blue Post (Fars Multi Time Winning deck)
    T8 Green Post (Multi time t4 deck)
    T4 UW Post Lock (Multi Time Winning deck)
    T2 GR Post Ramp. (Brew that Ive thought about but never ran)
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    obviously It was sarcasm :P.

    When TLR and me talked through the ban list prior. I tried my hardest to get Dark Ritual unbanned instead of tendrils but alas it wasn't to be so we went with the conservative choice and its worked well... I do think DR would be busted but at the time we were coming off ceph and nothing I could brew was ceph level Busted :)...

    Anyways I hate post too So Ill add my 2 cents even though i havn't been able to play in a while. Post has proven again to be too strong. and as it was already almost banned once. This time just pull the trigger please. No one likes playing against post decks. Most of them are Lock/hard Control decks that really are not fun to play against on top of being overpowered.



    Anyways Just let me know when champs is Smile ill be back soon though.

    Also RIP saheeli Rah Glad I got my set I bought for heirloom She is up to $10 dollars now thanks to that AR spoiled card that makes a standard legal splinter twin lol.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Quote from dleifelttiL »
    Happy New year everyone.

    With a new year and reflection, I want to say how happy I am that we unbanned some cards and as I had assumed they had almost zero impact on the environment. I hope that this leads to more in the coming rotations.

    Hope everyone has a safe and happy end to this year, and as much success as you are willing to make for yourself in the coming year.

    cheers
    Littlefield



    and the crowd starts chanting. Suicide Black Suicide Black Suicide Black.....

    GIVE US DARK RITUAL. :)Or maybe that is just me wanting to play my favorite deck of all time... Its been jesus close to 15 years since I played that deck.... Back when Phyrexian Negator was considered a good card... and Stiflenaut vs Suicide black was something that was seen at the top tables of 1.5 Tourneys....
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Quote from TLR_TLR »
    Quote from Malucc »
    The fact is not that there aren't good hate cards against burn, the fact is, imho, you don't want a deck warping the metagame and is too oppressive on the others. We don't want control having a good counterspell and a good card draw engine to avoid the possibility of becoming dominant: what's the point in having a burn deck so good in a format like this? In my opinion it will harm too many other decks and limits the possibility of brewing.

    And yes, we could all play 8 sideboard slots to addressing the problem, but this is the definition of a deck warping a format issue.


    so hows that warped metagame? all that burn today huh....
    http://gatherling.com/eventreport.php?event=Classic Heirloom 10.119

    Oh wait GW had 3 copies in top 4 and a 4th go 3-1 and miss on tiebreakers. META WARPING LETS IMMEDIATELY BAN WILT LEAF LIEGE.

    Well,truth be told, you can't judge a performance of a deck that didn't play. There is 1 RDW and 0 Burn in that event.

    Still, I have to say that people shouldn't be so quick to judge a card/deck. Give it some time for the players and decks to adapt. We can't cry wolf everytime we see a shadow in the woods. Most of the times is just fluffy little rabbits.


    that was my point too with the post... Its not burn against the world this isn't cephalid where it wins turn 2 with you dropping a tap land turn 1.... not to mention people actually realized this week that Dromoko's command is a blowout vs burn... I cause your spell to deal 0 damage and kill your vortex GG... and now that almost all GW/X decks are running it i don't think we will have to worry about burn anytime soon.

    Its like my old point I made about legacy IRL.

    Force of will is a strong card.
    all combo decks in legacy run black and most run 4x duress 4x cabal therapy because of Force of will. Does that mean that force is bad for the format? No it means that it keeps the format in check both ways. Combo has to slow themselve and run removal therefore keeping the format from being turn 2 combo vs turn 2 combo...

    If burn is good enough people will swap out cards slightly to adjust.. If that means dropping 4x swords to plowshare for 4x dromoko's command Thats a small price to pay for a GW deck to run 4 cards that are slightly weaker but all but guarantee a blowout vs burn if you draw it. That is the nature of metagaming... Its why you see me sometimes run cards that no one would ever think to run. because I build decks trying to beat a metagame... Sometimes it works out (2 wins 1 finals in 3 tourneys) and sometimes it doesn't (0-2 sunday) I'm glad to see other people starting to metagame with all those GW we don't lose to burn and were good vs everything decks at the top.
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  • posted a message on Classic Heirloom every Friday & Sunday, now in our 10. season!
    Quote from Malucc »
    The fact is not that there aren't good hate cards against burn, the fact is, imho, you don't want a deck warping the metagame and is too oppressive on the others. We don't want control having a good counterspell and a good card draw engine to avoid the possibility of becoming dominant: what's the point in having a burn deck so good in a format like this? In my opinion it will harm too many other decks and limits the possibility of brewing.

    And yes, we could all play 8 sideboard slots to addressing the problem, but this is the definition of a deck warping a format issue.


    so hows that warped metagame? all that burn today huh....
    http://gatherling.com/eventreport.php?event=Classic Heirloom 10.119

    Oh wait GW had 3 copies in top 4 and a 4th go 3-1 and miss on tiebreakers. META WARPING LETS IMMEDIATELY BAN WILT LEAF LIEGE.

    see how dumb it sounds?.... Burn is a turn 4.5 deck without disruption. the fact is I god drew you out both games.... I almost lost to reanimator. I did lost to esper control. I played vs no other decks running any distruption as I got 2 byes (Holika conceded r2 to work on his deck and my r3 opponent never showed)
    Black based midrange decks destroy burn... Control decks can beat burn... GW decks can outrace burn if they win the coin flip.

    Burn is only a good deck when people do no expect it... Its a deck that should be 60-40 vs anyone game 1 (ON THE PLAY)... and game 2-3 be a 40-60 dog due to even 4x sb cards.. Its like dredge or combo decks in that way... Burn is not cephalid..

    What we learned today though is GW based decks are really strong..... as 4 of the top 5 were GW agro decks and the other top 4 was infect GWU....
    I was running GWB and 0-2ed but I mana screwed 3 of my 4 games... but honestly hymn is a dead card in a format where everyone is running 4x smiter 4x wilt-leaf anyways..... GW is gonna be a major player going forward and is probably the #1 deck in the format.. now to see if we can find a way to beat it....

    If you were around a month ago The #1 card I was most hyped about coming into heirloom was not Burn spells it wasn't any unban it was Wilt-leaf Liege.... and now everyone is seeing why Smile now lets see if the meta can figure it out. or else wilt-leaf might be a card that is just too strong for heirloom in the fact that it makes hymn decks irrelevant.
    I for one already know what i'm playing next week Smile but ill keep that a secret for now.
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