I don' know. It is a little soon for another 5 colored deck. I think Flashback will end in Sultai for self mill and madness has to be Rakdos. At least that fits with Maros hint. I can see Morph in Temur and Populate in Naya. The problem: White is only present in one deck which makes it a little unlikely.
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It is not unthinkable. Last year product only had 5 new mono white cards and no 2 colored card. The only multicolor representation of white was the 3 colored commander options of two decks. Populate isn't a big mechanic. There are only 13 cards. So maybe the white cards are more needed in one deck.
They do like their doubling effects. So who knows maybe something like "Copy spells with flashback casts from your graveyard. You may choose new targets for the copy.".
The Populate legendary could have "T: Populate" and some kind of when other creates ETB effect. Just like Trostani, Selesnya's Voice. I would like a Anointed Procession effect on a stick but this would work much better with mass token strategies than populate.
The madness legendary could be a madness enabler. Like "discard a card: Exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card." So can discard something with madness and some additional value. I don't know maybe to much?
I don't know what they want to do with Morph. Maybe some kind of mana cost reduction for the morph cost and an anthem effect for face down 2/2 creatures you control? The problem with morph is that the commander can't have morph itself. I mean it could but it wouldn't be a surprise.
I believe that double sided cards are problematic in supplemental products. I can remember that Maro had written something about this in his blog. So i don't think that the chances are high for them. I hope that they don't repeat the same color combination of 2017 and 2018 Commander products. So
This leave Jeskai, Sultai, Temur, Abzan and Naya as possible 3 Color combination. I think we will face 3 3-color Decks and 1 2-color Deck. Madness fits best for Raknos and this fit with Maros flavor-hint cinnamon.
Populate was a Selesnya mechanic so the color should be at least WG -> Naya or Abzan
Flashback is present in all colors. If we look at the distribution, we can see that Temur has the most flashback cards. Jeskai could be vailable, too. Blue and Red should be there because of the highest spellslinger support and self mill potential. If they want to go the full self mill strategy than they could go for Sultai, too.
Well Morph is another mechanic that is present in all colors. If we look just at the distribution for morph: Blue highest, second place Green than Red. Temur would permit that you can play Animar in the deck, too.
I am a little scared about partner commander. They can screw up and make some broken stuff with the old partner commanders. Specially Thrasios, Triton Hero or Tymna the Weaver are scary. They might use the battlebond wording (partner with) and restrict this to be save.
I would love to see something like the Lieutenant mechanic on non-creature cards.
I liked the mechanic that a commander would get stronger if it is cast often from the commander zone. Please don't let them create tokens in green like Prossh, Skyraider of Kher we don't need another food chain thing.
I like Licia, Sanguine Tribune cast reduction mechanic. If you do what your deck is suppose to do than you get a cost reduction for your commander.
Some kind of political commander would be cool, too like Mathas, Fiend Seeker, maybe with a curse theme.
New Myriad options would be cool, too. Maybe multicolor this time.
And lastly I would like to see more mono-colored support, specially in white and red.
So many people focus on attacks proliferate. It's.4/4 with lifeline, vigilance, death touch and flying for 4.
Granted without red you download some of the best Angela.
Morophon is an option, you could also pick up any of the red/white angels. (Aurelia is a lot of fun (with a free sac out and adarkar valkyrie, you go infinita attack phases)
My thoughts are to go Jodah if you insist on add all the angels, but Lyra Dawnbringer is my sweet Angel commander. She is pure fun, with an actual benefit to the tribe.
I wouldn't say that they can't resist because they clearly could. I think if they do tribal again, than dinosaurs have good chances to get more support. They could see the data with different eyes, though. It seems popular and is playable so lets print some support card here and there and let call it a day. Or and this more likely: We had success with dragon. Let repeat this with dinosaurs. But we don't really know if they will repeat tribal again.
More options for Naya would be nice. And even if the theme won't be tribal they could add some dinosaurs cards into the deck. They have done this in the past, too.
@Faruel - I am enjoying brewing with Rienne, Angel of Rebirth and feel like the card is so flavorfully Naya. Creature-centric, regenerative, and aggressive. The spritial qualities and fighting passion of the Naya shard. Why would they print another Commander in this color scheme to establish a new Naya theme when this one was just released? Just owndering your thoughts.
I just compared the recent (only 4 deck instead of 5 commander deck) commander products. Bant, Jund and Esper got new options in last years commander product. Grixis got new options in commander 2017. Naya is missing. From the wedge-colored combinations only Mardu got a commander deck in recent years. Sultai seems to have a nice collection of creatures already. At least EDHREC seems to have various decks for:
It looks healthier than Abzan, Jeskai or Naya.
It is just my opinion that they could add some stuff. M20 has 5 new wedge commander and a Naya one, true but I like to think that they actually want to keep some kind of balance with the commander product and don't print the same color-combination twice for some time.
I am okay with eminence if they keep it extremely tribal specific. I honestly don't like Oloro. I like the eminence mechanic and if the mechanic enables specific tribal decks than signed me up. You can take every tribal from Commander2017 as example. Each one of the Eminence legendaries is a high played card in that tribal. I think only Edgar may be a little over pushed. The other 3 are perfectly fine. In addition the effect you gain when actually casting your Eminence Commander needs to be interesting enough for you to actually want to cast your commander.
I wouldn't say that they can't resist because they clearly could. I think if they do tribal again, than dinosaurs have good chances to get more support. They could see the data with different eyes, though. It seems popular and is playable so lets print some support card here and there and let call it a day. Or and this more likely: We had success with dragon. Let repeat this with dinosaurs. But we don't really know if they will repeat tribal again.
More options for Naya would be nice. And even if the theme won't be tribal they could add some dinosaurs cards into the deck. They have done this in the past, too.
You actually don't have to sit there for 2 hours. There is rule 104.3a:
A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game.
And if the other players at table don't do the same you have to wait until everyone is finished for the next game
Isn't that the same problem when losing to aggro, voltron, poison or when being focused?
The Iona ban is absolutely ridiculous. She's so innocuous I was laughing when I read the announcement. I still think Paradox Engine is fine and shouldn't be banned, but at least that card *was* legit broken if you're that kind of player. Banning Iona is just a sign to me that the rules committee has completely lost touch.
One vote of no confidence from me. I think Wizards should take the reins and come up with a ban list that makes at least a *little* bit of sense.
you're sociopaths and I'm glad that I never have to sit down and be locked out of the game for 2 hours while I watch you play tbh
You actually don't have to sit there for 2 hours. There is rule 104.3a:
A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game.
The Iona ban is absolutely ridiculous. She's so innocuous I was laughing when I read the announcement. I still think Paradox Engine is fine and shouldn't be banned, but at least that card *was* legit broken if you're that kind of player. Banning Iona is just a sign to me that the rules committee has completely lost touch.
One vote of no confidence from me. I think Wizards should take the reins and come up with a ban list that makes at least a *little* bit of sense.
Painter + Iona = lock everyone out.
Iona has already a bad reputation, this hard lock is too much.
So don't unban Painter... pretty simple
Karn + Lattice is equally as nasty IMHO.
Not as much. Being a planeswalker and an artifact there is only 2 color that can possibly assemble the combo easy (blue using tutor for artifacts and black with universal tutors) (and being able to use nul rod that is easier to find than karn) (with red being almost possible with the artifact cards)(and lets face it nul rod was a thing before karn) but we have to remember that for this to happen for the non black deck the deck needs to be build around too much.
For the Iona and painter for exemple you need white black or green to “cheat Iona into play” also you need to remember how easy it is to generate resources in graveyard. But ye if we are technical Karn and Latice does the same as Iona and painter but Karn and latice is much harder to assemble than a 2 creature combo. And Iona was usually played as the random reanimator target that sometimes happened to lock people out of the game without the need of outside help, a one card combo is usually better than a card that combos with other cards usually and the amount of people defending Iona as fair for a combo format says enough about the card
White can tutor for planeswalkers and has one tutor for artifacts, though.
I can't say anything about your environment but she isn't play often here. She isn't a random reanimator target. She has the potential to lock out players but she isn't a guaranteed lock. When reading some of the comments here you can thing that she does that every time. Apart from this I asked my game group and they are okay with her. She wasn't a problem in the past and they don't think she will be in the future. So I will continue to use her. I will exchange her with another card when playing 'outside'.
I think they will follow the path taken in M20, so Elementals, Spirits, Pirates/Rogues and - I don't know - Knights? They did such thing last time if I'm not mistaken.
The only two problems with that theory is
1 we did tribal in 2017 already but that doesn’t mean they won’t do it again early
2 if it was pirate/rouge it would be UBR and we also got that last year
And 5 of the knights are elementals
And I’m fairly certain RGW is one of the decks and also there’s one more tribe in m20 but barely got any focus and that’s dinosaurs most particually Marauding Raptor why give it a dinosaur tribal surgery ability since the ixalan dinosaurs are rotating out of standard very soon and also that da,age your own creatures abilitiy is something I’m speculating for those colors since Dino’s love that and several cards in the past have a persudo enrage ability
Oh I do agree with spirits though but needs to be yet another 5-color legend since O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami is the best we got and also we are yelling at them because they did o-kagachi all wrong since he looks too weak of ability and power based off Final Judgment secondly no spirit tribal synergy/lord ability on him
Another tribe that got exactly 1 tribal card in M20 was angels with Bishop of Wings. In addition Lyra Dawnbringer and Resplendent Angel will rotate out of standard, too. I am not totally sold on spirit in M20. The only tribal card for spirits in M20 is Kykar, Wind's Fury and she seems like more a solo card because of the spellslinger aspect. M20 has definitely a 'flying'-Tribal, though.
I honestly think that angel tribal works best in mono white with Avacyn, Bruna or Gisela as commander. Each has a different play style, though. With Avacyn you want to play board wipes... All kind of board wipes. Bruna is similar controlish with less board wipes and playing around her ability to get an angel back to the field and Gisela is aggro/life gain. I'm not sure if Sephara could be a valuable commander. She seems more build around than Avacyn but very similar.
For Boros I would suggest Aurelia or Feather. Aurelia would has an aggro theme mixed up with some possible win the game combos (infinite combat steps) and Feather can be build very effectively with tokens. You can ramp with Path to Exile or cheat some Angels from your deck with some of the red chaos spells.
For Naya there is the new Bab Promo Rienne and Mayael the Anima. I don't feel like Rienne is super good in angels. You want to sacrifice your multicolor creatures for some kind of value and than repeat it with her effect later. There aren't any angels with such effects. Mayael can help out to cheat some angels. There are plenty of 5 atk angels but some of the lower atk angels are interesting, too...
Bant has some Angels and an angel commander with Jenara. She can be a very good commander. She has no synergy with the tribe other than being an Angel herself. She works great with counter strategies.
Mardu has both Kaalias and Tariel. I personal think that Kaalia isn't Angel tribal. Why would you limited yourself to angel tribe when you can have Dragons and Demons too. In addition old Kaalia isn't that funny in a casual game. Tariel can be funny but the random selection hurts a little. She has no synergy with the tribe.
I think you can play Yennett as Esper commander. There are strong Angels with odd Mana cost. Specially with 5 Mana and even in the 7 Mana range with Angel of Despair, Angel of Serenity, Chancellor of the Annex, emeria shepherd... and some more. You can back the angels up with some powerfull spells (obviously with odd Mana cost).
Last Morophon. If you want to run Morophon than you should focus on Angels with lot of Mana symbols in the Mana cost. Maelstrom Archangel or Jenara for example can be cast for free. Lightning Angel for 1 generic etc. He needs to be on the field but that's true for all commander without Eminence. He cost 7 generic and counts as angel so you can reduce the mana cost with tribal support stuff.
I wouldn't say no to a fix version of Iona. Would like to keep the character in my decks. I assume I have to wait at least one year for that to happen, though.
Better mana bases are always welcome. They have to deliver in the reprint sector after the dilemma last year. More mono color support especially for red and white is high on my list, too.
I'm curious on what a fixed version of Iona would look like.
Something like: permanents you control have protection from [chosen color]?
She would be a little redundant with Avacyn and Sephara, where Sephara can be seen as a fixed version of OG Avacyn.
Or would you go with the OG Linvala into New Linvala style? (Second card hardly has anything to do mechanically with the first one).
I don't think that Indestructible and protection from color is the same.
Choose a color.
You and Permanents you control have protection from color.
It is still hate against a specific color but at least they can cast stuff, right? It protects of targeting -X/-X, Auras and exile effects and it would make your creature unblockable. In addition it would protect from burn and most sacrifice/discard effects (Target player). I wouldn't take the route of taxing (Spells of the chosen color cost X more to cast) because I think that it would be basically the situation with old Iona. Because the game plan would be to stack this kind of effects (God-Pharaoh's Statue). Or if protection would be to good than Hexproof from color.
Edit: I would prefer it if they keep the effect similar. I don't like what they have done with Linvala or Aurelia because there are too different. There is no recognition in my opinion. Lazav for example is a returning creature done right.
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It is not unthinkable. Last year product only had 5 new mono white cards and no 2 colored card. The only multicolor representation of white was the 3 colored commander options of two decks. Populate isn't a big mechanic. There are only 13 cards. So maybe the white cards are more needed in one deck.
They do like their doubling effects. So who knows maybe something like "Copy spells with flashback casts from your graveyard. You may choose new targets for the copy.".
The Populate legendary could have "T: Populate" and some kind of when other creates ETB effect. Just like Trostani, Selesnya's Voice. I would like a Anointed Procession effect on a stick but this would work much better with mass token strategies than populate.
The madness legendary could be a madness enabler. Like "discard a card: Exile the top card of your library. Until the end of your next turn, you may play that card." So can discard something with madness and some additional value. I don't know maybe to much?
I don't know what they want to do with Morph. Maybe some kind of mana cost reduction for the morph cost and an anthem effect for face down 2/2 creatures you control? The problem with morph is that the commander can't have morph itself. I mean it could but it wouldn't be a surprise.
Commander 2018
Bant (Adaptive Enchantment)
Esper (Subjective Reality)
Jund (Nature's Vengeance)
Izzet (Exquisite Invention)
Should definitely be out of question and the 4 of 2017 should be a lot less likely:
Commander 2017
Grixis (Arcane Wizardry)
Mardu (Vampiric Bloodlust)
Selesnya (Feline Ferocity)
WUBRG (Draconic Domination)
This leave Jeskai, Sultai, Temur, Abzan and Naya as possible 3 Color combination. I think we will face 3 3-color Decks and 1 2-color Deck. Madness fits best for Raknos and this fit with Maros flavor-hint cinnamon.
Populate was a Selesnya mechanic so the color should be at least WG -> Naya or Abzan
Flashback is present in all colors. If we look at the distribution, we can see that Temur has the most flashback cards. Jeskai could be vailable, too. Blue and Red should be there because of the highest spellslinger support and self mill potential. If they want to go the full self mill strategy than they could go for Sultai, too.
Well Morph is another mechanic that is present in all colors. If we look just at the distribution for morph: Blue highest, second place Green than Red. Temur would permit that you can play Animar in the deck, too.
I would love to see something like the Lieutenant mechanic on non-creature cards.
I liked the mechanic that a commander would get stronger if it is cast often from the commander zone. Please don't let them create tokens in green like Prossh, Skyraider of Kher we don't need another food chain thing.
I like Licia, Sanguine Tribune cast reduction mechanic. If you do what your deck is suppose to do than you get a cost reduction for your commander.
Some kind of political commander would be cool, too like Mathas, Fiend Seeker, maybe with a curse theme.
New Myriad options would be cool, too. Maybe multicolor this time.
And lastly I would like to see more mono-colored support, specially in white and red.
I think you are talking about Atraxa, Praetors' Voice in your first paragraph?
Lyra Dawnbringer is definitely an option. I really like your deck
I just compared the recent (only 4 deck instead of 5 commander deck) commander products. Bant, Jund and Esper got new options in last years commander product. Grixis got new options in commander 2017. Naya is missing. From the wedge-colored combinations only Mardu got a commander deck in recent years. Sultai seems to have a nice collection of creatures already. At least EDHREC seems to have various decks for:
It looks healthier than Abzan, Jeskai or Naya.
It is just my opinion that they could add some stuff. M20 has 5 new wedge commander and a Naya one, true but I like to think that they actually want to keep some kind of balance with the commander product and don't print the same color-combination twice for some time.
More options for Naya would be nice. And even if the theme won't be tribal they could add some dinosaurs cards into the deck. They have done this in the past, too.
Isn't that the same problem when losing to aggro, voltron, poison or when being focused?
You actually don't have to sit there for 2 hours. There is rule 104.3a:
A player can concede the game at any time. A player who concedes leaves the game immediately. That player loses the game.
White can tutor for planeswalkers and has one tutor for artifacts, though.
I can't say anything about your environment but she isn't play often here. She isn't a random reanimator target. She has the potential to lock out players but she isn't a guaranteed lock. When reading some of the comments here you can thing that she does that every time. Apart from this I asked my game group and they are okay with her. She wasn't a problem in the past and they don't think she will be in the future. So I will continue to use her. I will exchange her with another card when playing 'outside'.
Estrid, the Masked can provide some pseudo indestructible with her masks.
Kaseto, Orochi Archmage can provide unblockable.
Kruphix, God of Horizons can provide mana advantage.
Sigarda, Host of Herons additional protects from forced sacrificing.
Arixmethes, Slumbering Isle could be an option, too. He provides some mana first first/early. Is protected by being a land card and can attack directly when becoming a creature for 12 commander damage.
I don't know what you are looking for :D.
Another tribe that got exactly 1 tribal card in M20 was angels with Bishop of Wings. In addition Lyra Dawnbringer and Resplendent Angel will rotate out of standard, too. I am not totally sold on spirit in M20. The only tribal card for spirits in M20 is Kykar, Wind's Fury and she seems like more a solo card because of the spellslinger aspect. M20 has definitely a 'flying'-Tribal, though.
For Boros I would suggest Aurelia or Feather. Aurelia would has an aggro theme mixed up with some possible win the game combos (infinite combat steps) and Feather can be build very effectively with tokens. You can ramp with Path to Exile or cheat some Angels from your deck with some of the red chaos spells.
For Naya there is the new Bab Promo Rienne and Mayael the Anima. I don't feel like Rienne is super good in angels. You want to sacrifice your multicolor creatures for some kind of value and than repeat it with her effect later. There aren't any angels with such effects. Mayael can help out to cheat some angels. There are plenty of 5 atk angels but some of the lower atk angels are interesting, too...
Bant has some Angels and an angel commander with Jenara. She can be a very good commander. She has no synergy with the tribe other than being an Angel herself. She works great with counter strategies.
Mardu has both Kaalias and Tariel. I personal think that Kaalia isn't Angel tribal. Why would you limited yourself to angel tribe when you can have Dragons and Demons too. In addition old Kaalia isn't that funny in a casual game. Tariel can be funny but the random selection hurts a little. She has no synergy with the tribe.
I think you can play Yennett as Esper commander. There are strong Angels with odd Mana cost. Specially with 5 Mana and even in the 7 Mana range with Angel of Despair, Angel of Serenity, Chancellor of the Annex, emeria shepherd... and some more. You can back the angels up with some powerfull spells (obviously with odd Mana cost).
Last Morophon. If you want to run Morophon than you should focus on Angels with lot of Mana symbols in the Mana cost. Maelstrom Archangel or Jenara for example can be cast for free. Lightning Angel for 1 generic etc. He needs to be on the field but that's true for all commander without Eminence. He cost 7 generic and counts as angel so you can reduce the mana cost with tribal support stuff.
There are a few more options.
Edit: I added the card tags
I don't think that Indestructible and protection from color is the same.
Choose a color.
You and Permanents you control have protection from color.
It is still hate against a specific color but at least they can cast stuff, right? It protects of targeting -X/-X, Auras and exile effects and it would make your creature unblockable. In addition it would protect from burn and most sacrifice/discard effects (Target player). I wouldn't take the route of taxing (Spells of the chosen color cost X more to cast) because I think that it would be basically the situation with old Iona. Because the game plan would be to stack this kind of effects (God-Pharaoh's Statue). Or if protection would be to good than Hexproof from color.
Edit: I would prefer it if they keep the effect similar. I don't like what they have done with Linvala or Aurelia because there are too different. There is no recognition in my opinion. Lazav for example is a returning creature done right.