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Quote from Mishotem »

I don't think he ever said the card itself would breathe life into Mono-W in EDH, but that the ability (on future cards) would. Giving white some card draw will certainly do that.

It depends. If we get more permanents with this kind of bad cantrip effect then I doubt it. If we get some decent cards or some additional ways to benefit from opponent drawing cards, like Smothering Tithe than more likely. I hope that the drawing effect isn't bound to the symmetrical life gain.

The new thing in white is, according to MaRo, a minor addition to the thing white does. It is less important than blacks enchantments answers for example. I could see the white mana producing Rare Land to have some kind of activation effect that was usually nonwhite. I could be some kind of 'create a token that is a copy of target X' where X is a card type that white cares of. Like small creature, equipment, enchantment or aura.
He said that the effect was added to help white in commander. So generating some stuff to the field without using cards (via activating a ability on the field) seems likely.

Quote from leslak »

Huh Archons.... it would not surprise me if in the return to Theros we have a Archon tribal theme....

I mean everything is possible but I don't think that it is likely. Archons have the same issues as angels that there are very high costed creature without any tribal synergies. They would need a Dragons of Tarkir like set but for Archons and I don't believe they are popular enough. In addition there are overall about 10 Archons at the moment. Most of them are white with I think some in Selesnya and my beloved Ashen Rider. On the other hand there are some Archons with an Enchantment theme and that would fit with Theros.

Quote from AtraxianShade »

Whelp... This means no angels in the set. Nice to know for my wallet.

I already asked Maro a few weeks (or more?) ago about the angel break we will take. His answer was something like "Magic can’t stay away from Angels for long". I asked because commander 2019 doesn't had any new ones (I think it is the first Commander Precon Product without any new angels?) and I was sure that Eldraine was going to be angel-free, too. Well I don't know what 'for long' means for him, because Theros is another angel-free world and Ikoria doesn't seems to be a fitting world for them (if the theme is going to be 'Make your own creature/monster'). I am sure that core 2021 will have some but that would be Q3 next year. There is still a supplemental set and the commander product before Q3 next year so hopes are high for some new friends before Core2021.

This elk is a strange one. I think I like it. He pairs well with Beloved Princess revealed earlier.

Oh another white creature, 5 color commander. Well they try to make white more relevant in commander XD. I like the card but I wouldn't play him because political decks aren't my thing.

There isn't a point to play him as mono white commander. Why should you do that? Add at least blue, black or/and green. I thing that the red activation ability is really strong too but red is the worse color after white for the format. He might be the first political boros option :laugh2:. You can't use it at one of the 99 without being WRUBG.

Quote from Manite »

What I wonder is which types are going to be fleshed-out tribes in Eldraine? Innistrad took classic movie monsters like Dracula and the Wolfman and turned them into entire tribes. Will we see multiple Giants or Wolves? I think we're all expecting Faeries of course.

Oh Fairies, Merfolk and Humans for sure (we already have seen pictures of merfolk creatures in the set). Wolves are very likely. There is at least one fairytale with a giant and magical plants. Ah and other magical beasts like Unicorns etc. Dragons are very likely, too. I can see something like Constructs, Golems or Scarecrows. Some normal animals like birds and cats are possible, too.

Depending how far they like to go I can see some demons, kobolds etc. I can't see any sphinxes, angels or hydras.

Quote from Ryperior74 »

Yea 4-color decks need to be considered just because they are super hard deosn’t mean we won’t get them

If we get a 5-color tribe again there’s no other choice but spirit in my opinion

Sliver too many legends already and I’m willing to bet they are too scared to touch a competitive tribe in a deck for new players

Dragons, elementals, scarecrows, ally and warriors all have a perfectly good 5-color legend already

Avatar is too little support

Angels don’t have enough UG angels I know they only want 5-color angels because of Maelstrom Archangel

The only other legend that needs a better legendary tribe is atog and that’s a sticky tribe

And spirits are in all 5 colors and do have tribal support you can do tons of themes with spirits

Heck lots of spirit legendaries none of the ones with a spirit tribal ability are perfect simply due to not enough colors witch-maw is the correct color combo for a perfect spirit legend but red may be weak but it does infact have a few high power spirits

• Ryusei, the Falling Star
  
• Malignus
  
• Kurkesh, Onakke Ancient
  
• Myojin of Infinite Rage
  
• Eidolon of the Great Revel
  
• Yuki-Onna
  
• Jiwari, the Earth Aflame
  
• Skyfire Kirin
  
• Adamaro, First to Desire
  
• Patron of the Akki
  
• Ore Gorger
  
• Mannichi, the Fevered Dream
  
• Kami of Fire's Roar
  

And Glitterfang for the spirts that have a cast trigger and whenever a spirit ETB

Finally Earthshaker if a vast majority of your spirits are flyers or/and enough enchantment/artifact that gives your team flying as static

And ofcoarse the biggest reason of them all O-Kagachi, Vengeful Kami needs a way way way better card it doesn’t match the strength according to the lore and final judgement and he could have atleast gotten a spirit tribal syngery/lord or whatever ability for that tribe

Well I mean if you look at the dragon precon deck and focus on the creature section, you can see that most of them are mono red or have red in the mana cost (no mono green or blue dragon) or the vampire deck that is almost mono black.
I think that angel have other problems. There isn't any synergy around the tribal in any other color than white and even in white the synergies are lackluster. When I play an angel 'tribal' deck I focus on life gain or enchantment or both to get those angel tokens in addition to some good angels like Archangel of Thune or Resplendent Angel. I actually would love if this is the route for mono white angels. And the last additions weren't shabby with Angel of Vitality and Bishop of Wings.
But well cats weren't super synergistic either. The commander with the Eminence ability was what make the deck come together.
Furthermore Angels have some representation in green and blue. There are a few Bant Angels form Alara and some Azorious Angels in addition to one mono blue Angel and I think 3 Selesyna Angels, if you count Shalai.
The next problem with Angels is, that most of the multi color Angels are in mythic rarity. They usually don't go higher than 6 mythic a deck.
One of the main reason why people want to play 5 color angels is that the tribal is very popular. Maelstrom Angel was the only alternative. The 4 Archangel Sisters of Innistrad could be a motivation, too. I would love to see at least Asha and the missing Sister.

Quote from Manite »

Okay, let's say we have one four color deck. Let's say it's WUBR. That means the other three decks all need to have green. BG, GU, RGW. Now let's say we have two four color decks. WUBR and RGWU. That means both of the other two decks need to have black and green. WBG and BRG, let's just say. Now let's say you for some reason want three of the decks to be four color. WUBR, BRGW, and RGWU. That means the third deck needs to be BGU. Four color in the current 4DC format isn't impossible, but it comes with strict requirements.

This isn't the case for the pattern they have used in the pasts sets. Colors have to be present in at least 2 decks and won't be present in all 4. SO Green has to be in 2 other decks if one deck is WUBR. In addition the two missing 3 colored decks have green (Temur and Abzan). So it would be possible.

Past year precons:
2017: 3 Red, 2 Green, 3 White, 3 Black, 2 Blue
2018: 2 Red, 2 Green, 2 White, 2 Black, 3 Blue
2019: 3 Red, 2 Green, 2 White, 2 Black, 2 Blue

Keep in mind that Green has received about the same amount of new cards than the other colors and that they could have balanced it this year instead of printing 3 red decks again.

We don't know if they are okay with releasing a 4 colored deck or the next 5 color deck. This could change some things up.

Abzan and Temur are very likely, though.

I would love an Orzhov Deck with a Cleric early game and Demon/Angel late game style. This would open the door for the 4th Sister of the Innistrads archangels, which could have some kind of strange payoff for playing demons or a separate payoff for playing black or white cards. The problem is that white and black already have their mono colored legendary.

The same is true for boros, though. Only green and blue are missing their legendary. So Dimir is more likely than boros. If they release a Temur and Abzan deck, than all 3 colored color combinations would be done. So maybe they move to 4 colored decks before repeating the 3 colored ones.

UB
WBG
GUR
Some deck with at least WR maybe WUBR without artifact focus? Maybe with a flying focus -> Birds, Fairies, Phoenixes, Spirits, Demons, Sphinxes, Dragons and Angels.

Gavin had already stated that they wouldn't be a green Magus in this product on twitter.

here it is: https://twitter.com/GavinVerhey/status/1159155198096359425

I actual really thankful that somebody is doing it. I can keep up with some reprints and some new cards without looking on 10 different pages and I don't mind seeing it later than others. So thanks.

And I am not trying to convinced anybody. It is just my opinion :).

The deck list and reprints are fine. I am surprised that they didn't add at least anointed procession.

I believe Idol of Oblivion, Hate Mirage are missing.

Exactly. In addition token doublers work great with populate. This not, not at all.

I am not saying it is bad. Just that it needs another kind of deck or be cheaper. I feel like the effect is worse than a doubling token effect most of the time.

It's too expensive to be used in normal token decks :/. A token doubling effect will be better most time and is cheaper. In some combos maybe.

Her design is really cool. I have only one problem with her. The effect isn't on the egg-tokens. So she has to stick around for the cheat effect. On the other side... it works with other eggs I guess? This is a minus other than that I find her better/funnier than the other two legendaries.

Ya Angel of Sanction-Token Populate can be really mean