Thanks for the help folks. Good points. I'll adjust rankings accordingly. Just have a couple responses concerning specific cards
Yeah concerning [card]Soul of the Rapids, I leaned to Borderline with it being more of an archetype card or at least requires some consideration when cube building but I could see it at cubeable as a resilient and evasive control finisher. That or maybe some borderline creatures in that cmc slot aren't as good anymore. Could be a combination of the two also.
Giltgrove Stalker isn't really a strictly worse Wandering Wolf because just as is, wolf can be blocked by 2/X's unlike stalker. I think wolf may be more a borderline archetype card, since it require a decent amount of equipments/auras to make use of it's full potential, or at least as good as Stalker.
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Sep 23, 2018Thoughts on this for the Rivals Update?Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Cleansing Ray (Bad):
Put with group of bad modal cards that starts with Alabaster Potion
Exultant Skymarcher (Cubeable):
Functional reprint of Chapel Geist
Luminous Bonds (Borderline):
Put with the group of similar enchantments that have no significant upside in the average cube that starts with Bound in Silence)
Martyr of Dusk (Bad):
The initial body is bad and the 1/1 with lifelink you get when it dies doesn't make it interesting.
Moment of Triumph (Borderline):
The pump isn't best, but with the extra life attached it can be nice.
Sanguine Glorifier (Bad):
Snubhorn Sentry (Bad):
The body takes way too long to be relevant.
Squire's Devotion (Borderline):
A fine aura, but it's usually still not worth the risk of card disadvantage on non-hexproof creatures.
Sun-Crested Pterodon (Bad):
Sun Sentinel (Bad):
Functional reprint of Huatli's Snubhorn
Crashing Tide (Borderline):
Will mostly be a Drag Under in the average cube so group this with that
Deadeye Rig-Hauler (Bad)
The timing restriction for the bounce takes a lot of the oomph out of Man-o'-War-style cards since you can't bounce anything pre-combat and you may not even be able to make a profitable attack, in a scenario you might have been able to if you could bounce before combat.
Kitesail Corsair (Cubeable):
Could just group with the similar Welkin Tern and similar. It's slightly different of course, but I don't think it's different enough that it needs its own entry. Mostly a side-grade.
Mist-Cloaked Herald (Borderline):
Functional reprint of Triton Shorestalker
River Darter (Bad):
Put in the group of creatures with way-too situational abilities.
Sea Legs (Bad):
Secrets of the Golden City (Borderline):
An upgraded version of divination for the cost of an extra U in the cost. Still not very exciting though.
Soul of the Rapids (Borderline):
The body is small to begin with, but it's a good carrier of equipment and aura. It can be nice if you support the hexproof archetype.
Spire Winder (Bad):
The initial body isn't exciting and it can take a while to turn on Ascend.
Sworn Guardian (Bad):
group with the similar vanilla 1/3s
Functional Reprint of Claustrophobia
Canal Monitor (Bad):
Functional reprint of Mass of Ghouls
Dark Inquiry (Bad):
Group with similar bad 3 cmc discard spells (starts with Coercion)
Dinosaur Hunter (Bad)
Groupe with the other bears with fringe upsides
Dusk Charger (Borderline)
Getting bigger in the late game is nice, but the initial body isn't very exciting and black doesn't go very wide or use permanent based removal very often to help with Ascending.
Dusk Legion Zealot (Borderline):
The black Elvish Visionary. They body isn't great, but it replaces itself at least.
Fathom Fleet Boarder (Borderline?)
Do you folks think the 1 less life loss makes this good enough to be a ranking above Serpent Warrior?
Grasping Scoundrel (Cubeable)
A fine 2 power aggressive 1-drop
Gruesome Fate (Bad)
Group with Alms of the Vein to create a group of bad life-loss cards
Group with other 4 cmc sorcery speed unconditionals
Moment of Craving (Cubeable)
A solid removal spell that's best against aggro but otherwise still fine and flexible. Mostly the strictly better Sorin's Thirst
Vampire Champion (Borderline)
A decent sized body that can trade with anything.
Voracious Vampire (Bad)
Flame Slash at instant speed can be nice but 3 mana is bit much
Brazen Freebooter (Bad)
The treasure can sometimes be nice to help double spell or fix mana but otherwise, it's just a Hill Giant
Buccaneer's Bravado (Bad)
Fanatical Firebrand (Borderline)
Group with Mogg Fanatic
Frilled Deathspitter (Borderline)
A decent body with damage tacked on is nice.
Goblien Trailblazer (Cubeable)
A solid 2-power creature with evasion
A neat design, but red has better options for removal.
Orazca Raptor (Bad)
Functional Reprint of Hyena Pack
Stampeding Horncrest (Bad)
Sun-Collared Raptor (Bad)
It's bad in the early game and requires a decent amount of mana each turn to be relevant.
Swab Goblin (Bad)
Put with other vanilla bears
Swaggering Corsair (Cubeable)
A 3/3 for 3 mana is good and Raid isn't usually too hard to enable in red decks.Hardy Veteran (Borderline)
A fine pseudo-evasive two drop. Could just group with Deeproot Warrior
Giltgrove Stalker (Borderline or Cubeable?)
Another fine evasive two-drop. May just group it with Hardy Veteran
Jade Bearer (Bad):
Jadecraft Artisan (Borderline)
A Hill Giant with a decent upside. Not great, but not terrible either.
Jungleborn Pioneer (Bad):
Group with Scion Summoner
Knight of the Stampede (Bad):
Orazca Frillback (Cubeable):
Functional reprint of Alpine Grizzly
Overgrown Armasaur (Borderline):
Requires some built around with other cards like pingers to worthwhile, but can potentially make a decent amount of saprolings.
Sep 14, 2018Watcher is a nice twist on sphinx. Nice for enabling graveyard stuff, even if just a little bit.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
I wouldn't say that Piston-Fist Cyclops is simply a worse Nivix Cyclops. Yes, it lacks the combo kill potential if it's thing in your cube, but this is at least just as good in more regular tempo style decks. Though the benefits are limited to once per turn vs cyclops. It also is a lot better on defense. While it loses a single toughness it default has 4 power to help hold off possible attackers. It also flexible casting-wise and goes in a lot more decks than nivix can.
Patrol looks decent. Best mentor card so far probably.
Sep 11, 2018It seems about one mana too expensive. It's sort of like a bigger version of Agony Warp that deals with bigger threats somewhat better but doesn't seem better in enough situations to make it worth two more mana. It's a nice combination of effects though.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Sep 4, 2018Here's a low res image of Healer's Hawk from redditPosted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Also, Arboretum Elemental is an uncommon
Overall, initial cards don't seem the most exciting. Some initial thoughts are
- Jump-start cards we've gotten so far seem overcosted for the effect or not very impactful.
- Mentor is seems like more of a win-more mechanic, at least on such fragile bodies. The creatures we've seen that have it so far aren't exciting.
- Moodmark Painter seems like a decent archetype support card if you support graveyard shenanigans in your cube. Will be excited to see what other support there is,
- Rosemane Centaur seems like an fine 5 drop. It's not the most exciting at first glance but seems like a fine sign post card if gw is swarm in your cube.
Jun 20, 2018Thanks for the input, valid points. I'll fix the ratings when I put them in. A few thoughts/things on individual cards thoughPosted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Didn't get around to actually doing anything with the white 3/1 vanilla's yet. Will address that with next update.
Yeah, concerning Thief, Idk maybe it's overrated a little bit in peasent and/or it's just because peasant has more overall powerful non-creature spells. Pauper still has some solid removal and non-cratures though. Haven't had much experience with it myself so borderline for now.
My reasoning for putting Earth Elemental as borderline was because the somewhat similar (at least in sum of p/t) 5/4s for 5 vanillas at borderline, which may or may not be the correct rating for them Idk. I guess you'll usually want the extra power over the toughness but Idk if that means E Elemental should go down a rating, to where there are also vanilla 4/4s. I agree it's a not a great or exciting card overall but that was my thought process at least.
Cubeable seems like a fine spot for Forked Bolt then. I think it's on par with the 1 damage spells that can be cast at least twice.
I'll go ahead and move Burn the Impure down a rating to be with Draconic Roar at bad then.
Slime Molding has few advantages of it's own, when compared to Ivy Elemental, though probably fewer overall. It works with Archaeomancer-like cards a few other way more fringe things. Ivy Elemental may have the edge overall, but I they're still underwhelming enough in the earliar parts of the game that borderline is fine for both of them.
Borderline still seems fine for Star Compass. Yes it comes into play tapped, but that doesn't always make a big difference and helping fix for single-color double mana-symbol costs can be useful if your low on one type of land. It's still a 2-mana rock and it's at least on the same level as the group of generic 2 cmc colorless mana rocks with fringe upsides at borderline.
Jun 19, 2018Thoughts on these ratings/placements for Iconic Masters?Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Angel of Mercy (Borderline):
Functional reprint of Aven of Enduring Hope.
Emerge Unscathed (Cubeable):
Put with the group of similar white 1 cmc protection spells at cubeable
Seeker of the Way (Cubeable?):
A great card for agressive/tempo decks. Just from the threat that prowess presents, this creature can be pseudo unblockable some times and with just one trigger, it becomes a big 3/3 lifelinker.
Survival Cache (Bad):
It's an unique take on a white Divination, but it's very situational and high varience. At it's ceiling it's a fine card, but it can quickly become just a Healing Hands or even a Sacred nectar which are terrible cards. Against aggro it's Sacred Nectar and against control it's Divination with a life boost. Also, it's pretty unreliable against midrange.
Sustainer of the Realm (Bordline):
A 2 power flyer that can block really well is ok but not exciting.
A 3 mana counter with possible card selection in the form of scry is an okay card.
Jace's Phantasm (Bad):
In most cubes it it will take way too long to be any more than Flying Men. It would be a good payoff for a cube with a mill-theme.
Jhessian Thief (cubeable):
The threat alone that prowess presents can be nice evasion at times and this is card is a fine threat in tempo or spells-matter decks,
Riverwheel Aerialists (cubeable):
It has a solid and evasive body to be a good finisher option.Foul-Tongue Invocation (bad):
Thrill-Kill Assassin (Staple??):
The flexibility to either be a 2/3 deathtouch attaker in the early game or a deathtouch 1/2 bocker if needed makes this card great.
Virulent Swipe (Borderline):
Surprise deathtouch can be a nice combat trick, but it will still essentially be 2 for 1 trade against you, unless the creature happens to have a high enough touhness to already survive on its own. While not exciting, it can be used just as a buff for getting damage through if needed. The turn it comes off rebound isn't great since your opponent will see it coming, but it can get a little more damage through on a creature that wouldn't already have been blocked and traded for 1 for 1, since there's no toughness buff. While nice options to have, the deathtouch and power buff don't really have any synergy with each other with no toughness buff.
Wight of Precinct Six (Cubeable):
It not actually a turn 2 play, but a solid late game creature that can grow to be huge as the game goes on.
Draconic Roar (Borderline):
Combine with Burn the Impure to be a group of 3 damage removal spells with fringe upsides, which are outclassed by many better versions
Dragonlord's Servant (Bad):
Earth Elemental (Borderline):
It's a ok sized body for the cost, but it's a strictly worse Wayward Giant.
Furnace Whelp (Cubeable):
It's somewhat fragile, but it can be a solid evasive finisher for red.
Mark of Mutiny (Borderline):
Can probably be put with the Act of Treason group
Crowned Ceratok (Borderline):
An alrighty build-around for decks and there are a decent amount of incidental +1/+1 counters in cubes lying around already.
Duskdale Wurm (Borderline):
A huge body with trample is solid, but by the time you get up to 7 mana you'll often prefer something a little extra like Oakgnarl Warrior's vigilance over the 2 extra power.
Ivy Elemental (Borderline):
Can be grouped with the mostly functional reprint of Slime Molding
Jaddi Offshoot (Bad):
It can be fine when gotten out early agaisnt aggro, but other than that it's too bad to be worth it.
Lead the Stampede (Cubeable):
A great form of card advantage for most green decks. Limited decks play plenty of creatures already and green is typically the most creature-dense color.
Prey's Vengeance (Cubeable)
It's a fine combat trick that can do it's job and then come back the following turn with Rebound. During the rebound turn, it's likely to either force through a lot of damgage or make your opponent make an somewhat ideal or less ideal chump to stop a big chunk of damage.Darksteel Axe (Borderline):
Indestructible on Bonesplitter isn't worth the doubled equip cost and the indestructibility will be an irrelvant line of text most of the time.
Scion of Ugin (Cubeable):
The flying 4/4 flying body is an fine rate for colorless.
Guardian Idol (Cubeable):
Could be combined with mind stone to form the group of 2 cmc colorless mana rocks with useful second options when mana is no longer needed.
Star compass (Borderline): This could probably be grouped with the group of 2-cmc rocks (that starts with Fractured Powerstone) with minamal upsides but still "okay". I think Fellwar Stone could also be bumped up a rating to be with this group.
Jun 15, 2018Got some new spoilersPosted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Gearsmith guardian is just wow. It's a unexpected pretty big body for blue, for only needing a blue creature, for only 5 mana. Even if you don't have one it's still somewhat serviceable without the 2 mana even if it's not exciting.
Drillmaster has a neat etb effect. Not sure how good it but could be decent. In the late-game it can make a big creature a huge first striker that needs to be chumped or it will deal a lot of damage which could be nice.
Viashino Pyromancer is mostly a better Nest Robber
Jun 14, 2018Just glad to be of help and thanks for the input guys, your points make sense.Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Oh, I actually meant to say borderline for that creature, didn't mean to put it at bad. As for the borderline vs cubeable, it feels like they're right near line. Might just be worth leaving them where they for the time being, I'm not sure.
Jun 13, 2018What are everyone's thoughts on these ratings/placements for Ixalan cards?Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
Bishop's Soldier (Cubeable):
A lifelink 2/2 body is alright and can make for a nice roadblock for against agressive decks.
Encampment Keeper (Borderline):
The early game body isn't great, but the ability to be relevant lategame can be nice.
Huatli's Snubhorn (Bad):
Can be combined with the group of similar vigilance creatures, that starts with Alaborn Grenadier
Kinjalli's Caller (Borderline):
I'd say this is pretty bad but should probably be grouped with the similar tribal creatures, that are good with enough support, which should maybe be bumped down to bad, where tribal cards are at in nearly every other section of project ratings.
Legion Conquistador (Bad):
This can be combined with the group of cards that don't work in most cubes, that starts with Pious Kitsune
Legion's Judgment (Bad):
As a removal spell, it's pretty narrow and outclassed by Radiant's Judgment
Looming Altisaur (Borderline):
Can be a big roadblock for control decks, but it doesn't have a lot of power.
Paladin of the Bloodstained (Borderline):
The combination of bodies and stats aren't great but not bad either.
Pious Interdiction (Cubeable):
It's a strictly worse Faith's Fetters, but it still good for eliminating a threat and helping stabilize against aggressive decks.
Pterodon Knight (Bad):
Queen's Commission (Bad):
Even with lifelink, two 1/1 tokens aren't worth 3 mana
Raptor Companion (Bad):
Functional reprint of Blade of the Sixth Pride. Also, this is up for debate, but I think the group of vanilla 3/1s for 2 mana (starts with Blade) could be bumped down a rating to borderline. I don't think there necessarily cubeable worthy, especially with the now 3 versions with varying quality levels of upside we've now have.
Ritual of Rejuvenation (Bad):
put in the group with Healing Hands
Shining Aerosaur (Borderline):
Functional reprint of Skyswirl Harrier
Skyblade of the Legion (Bad):
Functional reprint of Concordia Pegasus
Slash of Talons (Borderline):
Functional reprint of Righteous Blow.
Sunrise Seeker (borderline):
Neither outcome is that great or exciting
Territorial Hammerskull (Staple):
Could probably be combined with Master of Diversion. I know Hammerskull has one more toughness but not sure if it needs its own separate entry currently
Vampire's Zeal (Bad):
This, along with Strength of Arms, could be grouped with Lithomancer's FocusCastaway's Despair (Borderline):
Functional reprint of Sleep Paralysis.
Depths of Desire (Bad):
This could be combined with the group of cards with better alternatives that start with Aether Tradewinds.
Dive Down (borderline):
This can be combined with the group of similar spells that starts with Intervene
Headwater Sentries (Borderline):
With its high toughness and decent power, it can be a nice roadblock for stopping attackers
One with the wind (Borderline):
Functional reprint of Spectral Flight.
Pirate's Prize (Bad):
The treasure doesn't make up for it being an overcosted divination
Prosperous Pirates (Bad):
The body isn't great for 5 mana and by the time you can cast it you won't usually need much more mana.
Run Aground (Borderline):
I know it's slightly better but it could probably just be combined with the group that starts with Griptide
Sailor of Means (Borderline):
An okay roadblock early game that can help double spell later or accelerate to a expensive spell.
Shaper Apprentice (Bad):
Shipwreck Looter (Borderline):
The body isn't the greatest but the filtering is a nice addition to a somewhat relevant body.
Shore keeper (Borderline):
It's an ok roadblock early that will eventually turn into card advantage
Siren Lookout (Borderline/Bad?):
Is alright but neither outcome is very enticing
Siren's Ruse (Borderline):
Slightly overcosted for the effect, as the upside will rarely come up, but blue has it's fair share of enter the battlefield effects.
Storm Sculptor (Borderline):
A 3 power unblockable can be okay, but the bounce restriction can be a pain at times if you don't have anything that good to bounce.
Watertrap Weaver (Cubeable):
Functional reprint of Frost Lynx
Wind Strider (Cubeable):
Functional reprint of Spire Monitor and similarAnointed Deacon (Bad):
Blight Keeper (Borderline):
A Flying Men with some nice late game ability option
Contract Killing (Bad):
An overcosted unconditional sorcery speed removal spell. The treasures aren't that good by this late in the game and they don't make up for the fact that you still can't cast this until turn 5 even though you'll only be down at most 3 net mana.
Costly Plunder (Bad):
Can probably just be put with the group with Altar's Reap
Deadeye Tormentor (Borderline):
If you support aggro well in black, then he can be an acceptable 3-drop. It's a more splashable, but otherwise generally worse, Liliana's Specter which can still be fine.
Desperate Castaways (Bad):
put with the group of artifact-based cube cards w/ Dhund Operative
Dire Fleet Hoarder (Borderline/Bad)?:
Black's version of Viridian Emissary. The body isn't great but the extra Lotus Petal can come sometimes be nice.
Dire Fleet Interloper (Borderline):
The 2 possible outcome are okay but not exciting and the inability to choose between the two can be annoying.
Fathom Fleet Cutthroat (Bad):
Can be grouped with the similar creature Final-Sting Faerie
March of the Drowned (Bad):
Can be put in the group of Disentomb-effects that contains the similar Ghoulcaller's Chant
Queen's Agent (Bad):
This card is overcosted in either mode. Could maybe be combined with Minotaur abomination to become a group of cards overcosted by cc1
Queen's Bay Soldier (Bad):
Functional reprint of Walking Corpse
Skittering Heartstopper (Borderline):
The 1 mana to grant deathtouch isn't great, but the extra toughness over Typhoid Rats can be relevant at times and often the threat of activation is enough.
An alright cheap combat trick that remove 1 toughness creatures if you have a creature with the possibility of becoming a 2 for 1 if things line up.
Skymarch Bloodletter (Cubeable):
A black wind drake with an ok upside is good
Spreading Rot (Bad):
Put with group of similarly bad land destruction spells, which starts with Desecrated Earth
Vanquish the Weak (Bad):
Can probably be grouped with Complete Disregard
Brazen Buccaneers (Borderline):
The Talruum Minotaur mode with scry 1 attached is mainly the most interesting mode for red decks but the inability to choose between the modes makes it not very exciting.
Fathom Fleet Firebrand (Borderline):
The 2/2 body isn't very exciting on its own, but the late-game mana-sink option is nice. She can trade or get in for some damage early and if drawn in the late game, she can be used as deterrence with a lot of mana open or just be pumped for some serious damage.
Fire Shrine Keeper (Borderline):
A 1/1 evasive body with late game relevance can be nice, but the front end isn't that exciting and the ability is somewhat expensive.
Firecannon Blast (Borderline):
This has the possibility to be a pseudo hard removal spell, but raid can be a high restriction and there better less restrictive burn spells for red
Frenzied Raptor (Borderline):
A vanilla 4/2 three drop doesn't make you feel like a clever girl when you draft it, but in red it could easily find a home.
Headstrong Brute (Bad):
can be grouped with the somewhat similar Howlpack Wolf
Nest Robber (Cubeable):
A fine haste threat for aggressive decks.
Put in the group of cards that are terrible without the right synergies, which starts with Burning Inquiry
Storm Fleet Pyromancer (Borderline):
The body isn't great and the ability is ok but not really worth the restriction of raid.
Sun-Crowned Hunters (Borderline):
The stats are a bit underwhelming for 6 mana but the ability is nice for getting damage in when blocked or blocking. This would be more interesting with ways to abuse the enrage trigger.
Functional reprint of Goblin War Paint
Thrash of Raptors (Bad):
Tilonalli's Knight (Bad):
Unfriendly Fire (Borderline):
can probably group with Arrow StormAncient Brontodon (Bad):
Can probably be grouped with the group of similarly big and unexciting vanilla creatures that starts with Axebane Stag
Blinding Fog (Bad):
Not exactly a normal fog, but it can probably be grouped with Vine Snare
Blossom Dryad (Bad):
Put in the group of overcosted creatures that starts with goliath beetle
Colossal Dreadmaw (Cubeable):
Functional Reprint of Brambleweft Behemoth
Commune with Dinosaurs (Bad):
Crash the Ramparts (bad):
Functional Reprint of Awaken the Bear
Crushing Canopy (Borderline):
Can be combined with the very similar crushing vines, which I think should be rated at borderline as well since it's decent but still pretty situational.
Deeproot Warrior (Borderline):
An acceptable 2-power pseudo-evasive two drop but green has plenty of serviceable two-drops already.
Grazing Whiptail (Borderline):
Functional reprint of Cloudcrown Oak
Ixalli's Diviner (Cubeable):
A fine early blocker for midrange and control decks. Both modes are fine for those decks.
Ixalli's Keeper (Borderline):
Could probably just be grouped with Oran-Rief Invoker
Jade Guardian (Cubeable):
A functional reprint of Primal Huntbeast
Jungle Delver (Bad):
The ability can be relevant in the late game but it's overcosted and the body takes a little while to be relevant.
New Horizons (Borderline):
Mostly a functional reprint of Map the Wastes.
An instant speed Prey Upon is solid.
Ravenous Daggertooth (Borderline):
The body isn't overly exciting but it can be a nice roadblock against aggressive decks.
River Heralds' Boon (Bad):
Spike-tailed Ceratops (Bad):
The body is terrible and the ability won't be useful often enough
Tishana's Wayfinder (Cubeable):
Even though explore can sometimes be annoying in that you can't control the outcome, both modes are solid creatures that you would be happy to have in most decks, which makes this creature solid. You either get a civic wayfinder that grabs a random land you would have drawn or a centaur courser with scry 1 attached.
Gilded Sentinel (Bad):
Outclassed by several better options
Hierophant's chalice (bad):
The minor upside doesn't make up for the fact that it's a worse Manalith
Pirate's Cutlass (Bad):
Can be grouped with the group of tribal cards that starts with the somewhat similar Heavy Mattock
Prying Blade (Bad):
It could be alright on an early evasive creature, but otherwise it just terrible with granting only 1 power.
Jun 13, 2018Posted in: Pauper & Peasant Discussion
It's a side-graded Jeskai Windscout that's a lot better against pingers so maybe, but not sure where how it stands among other cards in the spells archetype myself.
Yeah, I think Generator Servant is probably still the only decent creature Blood Pet-esque creature. I don't think the extra toughness is really worth an extra mana and losing the capability to grant haste.
It might be a smidge overcosted but I think it might be fine if you support those archetypes.
Hitting non-basics can be nice, but I don't think that's a big enough upside to be worth it over Farhaven Elf, especially since you're not guaranteed to hit the color you want among the top 5 cards. In two-color decks it not really any better at fixing and in 3+ color decks its only really better if you manage to hit a nonbasic land, which you may not even have very many of to begin with.
Yeah, it does has nice flavor. It's not too terrible I guess I wish they would have pushed it a little more. As is, it's a functional copy of Kraul Warrior and a worse Quilled Wolf.
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