Don't have much to add, but I did just take @radouf's latest build that he posted to a 5-0 finish in a competitive league online. If nothing else, just want to strengthen his argument for this type of build. Matches were:
UB Control 2-1
Dredge 2-0
Grixis Shadow 2-1
Boros Burn 2-0
GR ramp/Mad Cap Experiment? 2-0
Time Sieve won a good number of games. Dodged stony so I didn't get to try out much of the sb. Thanks everyone for all of the continual input!
This may be a question better suited for a judge forum, but since it could potentially affect any of us playing with Time Sieve & Academy Ruins.
With the increase in popularity of the abzan coco decks recently, infinite life is something that may come up more (hopefully we can stop it from happening in the first place). However, I *think* we have a built-in way to deal with infinite life should that happen.
My question - Can this be presented as a loop:
You have Time Sieve with thopter/sword online and enough mana to begin taking as many turns as you want. You also have enough mana to activate Academy Ruins on each of these turns. You attack for some amount, make/sac at least 4 thopters and a mox opal (or any artifact that you can hit with ruins), put the opal on top of your library. Pass turn.
Draw opal, attack for some amount, make/sac thopters and mox, put mox on top, take extra turn.
Is this enough to present a loop and say that you will take X turns and deal X damage? Since you show that you won't deck yourself with ruins and can produce damage every turn, I'm curious if a judge would allow you to loop this in order to deal with "infinite" life. Any thoughts?
I've mostly been lurking here for the last month or two and just took the deck to SCG Indy. I started off 5-1 and ended up tanking toward the end to miss out on day two. My local shop is a heavy tron meta, so it was nice taking this to a larger scene with some actual variety. It actually seemed really well positioned with what I was playing against (until the last few rounds). My match-ups were:
Bant Eldrazi (W: 2-0)
Boros Burn (W: 2-0. thank you, Trading Post)
Jeskai Control (W: 2-0)
Bant Eldrazi (W: 2-0)
Jund Death's Shadow (L: 1-2) Close games, definitely a winnable match-up.
Lantern Control (W: 2-1)
Jund Death's Shadow (L: 1-2)
RG Titanshift (L: 0-2) Bad match-up to knock me out of contention, but I was lucky to dodge a big mana deck for so long. Never played a dedicated Tron deck either which was great.
My list was essentially an all-in Whir package with the silver bullets (I can post the list, but again I'm basically a lurker - not sure how to format correctly and all that). Whir and Trading Post were all-stars the entire time. I even got to Whir for a Witchbane Orb with a bunch of Valakut triggers on the stack just to get shatterstormed the next turn and beaten to death by a titan.
Anyhow, just wanted to share because I think with a little bit of tighter play, I could have taken the Jund matches and day two'd. After that, who knows what. I think we're getting closer with this deck. I know some of the discussion lately has been to possibly steer away from the all-in whir plan, but it definitely seemed to be great for me this weekend. Just need to keep tweaking and get the mana base down. Also, I want to say thanks to everyone here too because it was only after lurking here for awhile that I picked up on all the great ideas everyone has had.
Cheers!
Edit: Just wanted to add something on the Jund Death's Shadow match-up. The games I lost were all due to them having multiple T1 and T2 discard spells to rip my hand apart. As has been discussed, Tezzerator top decks poorly. Protecting Bridge was never an issue, it was just having it pulled out of my hand and sometimes surgical'd that was a back-breaker. It almost makes me want to consider running leylines, which would also be beneficial for the Valakut decks. It might not be worth it, since I think it is a winnable match-up as it stands. Just something to note.
Don't have much to add, but I did just take @radouf's latest build that he posted to a 5-0 finish in a competitive league online. If nothing else, just want to strengthen his argument for this type of build. Matches were:
UB Control 2-1
Dredge 2-0
Grixis Shadow 2-1
Boros Burn 2-0
GR ramp/Mad Cap Experiment? 2-0
Time Sieve won a good number of games. Dodged stony so I didn't get to try out much of the sb. Thanks everyone for all of the continual input!
With the increase in popularity of the abzan coco decks recently, infinite life is something that may come up more (hopefully we can stop it from happening in the first place). However, I *think* we have a built-in way to deal with infinite life should that happen.
My question - Can this be presented as a loop:
You have Time Sieve with thopter/sword online and enough mana to begin taking as many turns as you want. You also have enough mana to activate Academy Ruins on each of these turns. You attack for some amount, make/sac at least 4 thopters and a mox opal (or any artifact that you can hit with ruins), put the opal on top of your library. Pass turn.
Draw opal, attack for some amount, make/sac thopters and mox, put mox on top, take extra turn.
Is this enough to present a loop and say that you will take X turns and deal X damage? Since you show that you won't deck yourself with ruins and can produce damage every turn, I'm curious if a judge would allow you to loop this in order to deal with "infinite" life. Any thoughts?
Bant Eldrazi (W: 2-0)
Boros Burn (W: 2-0. thank you, Trading Post)
Jeskai Control (W: 2-0)
Bant Eldrazi (W: 2-0)
Jund Death's Shadow (L: 1-2) Close games, definitely a winnable match-up.
Lantern Control (W: 2-1)
Jund Death's Shadow (L: 1-2)
RG Titanshift (L: 0-2) Bad match-up to knock me out of contention, but I was lucky to dodge a big mana deck for so long. Never played a dedicated Tron deck either which was great.
My list was essentially an all-in Whir package with the silver bullets (I can post the list, but again I'm basically a lurker - not sure how to format correctly and all that). Whir and Trading Post were all-stars the entire time. I even got to Whir for a Witchbane Orb with a bunch of Valakut triggers on the stack just to get shatterstormed the next turn and beaten to death by a titan.
Anyhow, just wanted to share because I think with a little bit of tighter play, I could have taken the Jund matches and day two'd. After that, who knows what. I think we're getting closer with this deck. I know some of the discussion lately has been to possibly steer away from the all-in whir plan, but it definitely seemed to be great for me this weekend. Just need to keep tweaking and get the mana base down. Also, I want to say thanks to everyone here too because it was only after lurking here for awhile that I picked up on all the great ideas everyone has had.
Cheers!
Edit: Just wanted to add something on the Jund Death's Shadow match-up. The games I lost were all due to them having multiple T1 and T2 discard spells to rip my hand apart. As has been discussed, Tezzerator top decks poorly. Protecting Bridge was never an issue, it was just having it pulled out of my hand and sometimes surgical'd that was a back-breaker. It almost makes me want to consider running leylines, which would also be beneficial for the Valakut decks. It might not be worth it, since I think it is a winnable match-up as it stands. Just something to note.