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  • posted a message on [ELD] Thunderous snapper
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    I actually agree that Hydras with static power/toughness or whatever just makes no sense for hydras. The core feature of hydras, the one thing they always have in common among all franchises is their variable number of heads.

    Making hydras into the "go to" iconic creature type for green just makes no sense. I think manticores would make a much better stand in for hydras, especially now that there's precedent of flightless manticores. They represent the ferocity of the wild much better than hydras, especially since hydras seem more black/green with their focus on survival and (in the original source material) toxicity. Plus, manticores currently compete with dragons for the same design space and dragons are like omnipresent, because they're so popular.


    Hydras represent green's theme of growth. Manticores in green are just lions with scorpion tails. While I personally view Manticores as red's answer to blue's Sphinxes, if I had to move Manticores to another color, it would be black.

    I would like to hear your case why Manticores fit better in black than green and why hydras are a better fit for green than manticores.

    To me, manticores are apex predators that are everything a green iconic creature wants to be. Hydras are focused on survival, which is a perfect green/black overlap. Manticores in black makes no sense to me apart from "they are poisonous". To put it pointedly, the original hydra "had poisonous breath and blood so virulent that even its scent was deadly." If manticores in green are just lions with scorpion tails, what are hydras in green?
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Thunderous snapper
    I actually agree that Hydras with static power/toughness or whatever just makes no sense for hydras. The core feature of hydras, the one thing they always have in common among all franchises is their variable number of heads.

    Making hydras into the "go to" iconic creature type for green just makes no sense. I think manticores would make a much better stand in for hydras, especially now that there's precedent of flightless manticores. They represent the ferocity of the wild much better than hydras, especially since hydras seem more black/green with their focus on survival and (in the original source material) toxicity. Plus, manticores currently compete with dragons for the same design space and dragons are like omnipresent, because they're so popular.
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  • posted a message on [ELD] Thunderous snapper
    Quote from Manite »
    So, we've had:

    A Hellion Hydra
    Lizard Hydras
    Plant Hydras
    Snake Hydras
    Hydra Beasts
    Hydra Mutants
    Jellyfish Hydra Beasts
    A Hydra Avatar

    And now Turtle Hydras. Crocodile Hydra when, Wizards?

    Don't give them ideas.






    Or actually, do give them ideas, that sounds amazing.
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  • posted a message on So are just gonna ignore Return to Theros, Zendikar, Ikoria and TeferiM21
    I'm surprised to see Zendikar come back so soon after the unpopular BFZ block. I think it would be more popular of a decision if they waited a little longer. I think they would do well to realize that the reason the original Zendikar block was so popular had less to do with the setting and more to do with the fact that it was insanely powerful compared to most sets. If it has off-color fetches at rare again, it'll do well. The cards need to look like Plated Geopede instead of Makindi Sliderunner. It was the strength of the original set that everyone responded to.

    [...]

    As I suggested, the single biggest indicator of a set's popularity is its power level, not worldbuilding. Not every set can be as powerful as original Zendikar was, or we just end up with power creep. From a worldbuilding perspective, I'm most interested in new Theros. Enchantments were always my favorite card type, ever since I met my old friend Pestilence. New Zendikar will always be compared with the original, and probably won't line up.

    The inability to separate popularity of a setting from the popularity of its power level has been a weakness of Wizards for a while now, and somehow it keeps surprising them. "This block was a return and somehow it wasn't as popular?!?!"

    THEN AGAIN, just look at announcements of new sets or speculation on returns to old settings, and within the first three replies, you find someone saying "Ew, I don't like a return to <setting> the cards were weak." / "Hell yeah, a return to <setting>, this will increase power levels in standard again, can't wait."

    So maybe it's not a weakness from WotC's part, maybe they are just exploiting people's inability to, like, think.
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  • posted a message on ELD- Eldraine story and plane
    Afaik it was also confirmed Will is in Thrones of Eldraine.
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  • posted a message on M20-Flavor and Story
    Random thought, but does anyone else get the feeling that Glint-Horn Buccaneer is from Dominaria? The coat matches Hurloon minotaurs and there is no record of native minotaurs on Ixalan (which isn't to say there are none, we only visited one continent in full and got a passing visit to a second).

    The decoration on his horns and the fact that he lives on a ship might even be a reference to Tarngarth.
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  • posted a message on Gargos, Vicious Warden and Cavalier of Squall (storms?)
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    Isn't it weird how much tribal we got in Modern Horizons and now M20? I would think it's because the upcoming set has a big tribal component, but Modern Masters doesn't even affect that, so... Is it just some new approach to make the game more beginner-friendly? I'm not even sure if I like it or not, and this coems from someone who loves tribal. It's just so strange.
    If you read mark Rosewater's blog, most requests are for tribal cards. Its simply filling requests that aren't problematic. The hydra, for example, functions quite well as a hydra lord, heroic lord, or generic beat stick.

    I mean I know that. But tribal was always popular. It just feels like this is so much at once, rather than a steady increase.

    Again, not complaining, but musing.
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  • posted a message on Gargos, Vicious Warden and Cavalier of Squall (storms?)
    Isn't it weird how much tribal we got in Modern Horizons and now M20? I would think it's because the upcoming set has a big tribal component, but Modern Masters doesn't even affect that, so... Is it just some new approach to make the game more beginner-friendly? I'm not even sure if I like it or not, and this coems from someone who loves tribal. It's just so strange.
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  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Flavor and Story
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    Honestly, why they thought the word ichor wouldn't make people come to the wrong conclusions is beyond me.

    Just like calling Ugin "the Ineffable" means he has a connection to Yawgmoth, no? ;P

    Not really the same. "The Ineffable" has never appeared on a card and as such does not carry the weight of the word ichor, which has never appeared in a card name not related to the phyrexians. (With the possible exception of Ichor Slick, but that might still be some remnants of the phyrexians on Dominaria.)

    Plus, people speculate about phyrexians being anywhere, because that's kinda an important plot point. Mirrodin has turned out to be infected with the phyrexians all along and the phyrexians are actively trying to spread to other worlds. Another plane being corrupted by the phyrexians isn't unthinkable and in fact somewhat expected.

    Nobody expects the "true identity" of Yawgmoth to be revealed, because we already know his identity, so nobody is really confused about the "Ineffable" title. It's just that some people are grumpy Yawgmoth now has to share his title.
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  • posted a message on Modern Horizons Flavor and Story
    Honestly, why they thought the word ichor wouldn't make people come to the wrong conclusions is beyond me.
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  • posted a message on M20-Flavor and Story
    Quote from Leaf »
    Chandra originally had no backstory and wore the iconic armor she always does.
    Later on revealed she hailed from an unknown and nameless plane that wasn't Regatha.
    Chandra's pyromancy abilities caused soldiers to burn down her village and family.
    Chandra fled to Regatha and studied with the monks at Keral Keep Monastery.
    She trained with Mother Luti at the monastery.
    Chandra's home plane was later revealed to be Indian Aetherpunk world of Kaladesh, she stuck out like a sore thumb since both parents are Indian.
    Also revealed later was that she was to be executed before escaping to Regatha.
    Also revealed later was that Chandra's mother is actually alive.
    Chandra and Gideon had a romantic relationship.
    Revealed later that Mother Luti was actually Jaya Ballard.
    Revealed later that Gideon instead saw Chandra as a sibling than a romantic partner.
    Now revealed she at some point in her life used a 'regulator' for her magic before becoming her adult self, but what happened to the regulator is unknown as it doesn't appear on her normal armor.
    Now revealed she is actually a very prodigious summoner of elementals in addition to her known pyromancy rather than just a pyromancer who only shoots gouts of flames, however these summoning talents are neglected prior to this in her lore.

    Chandra's backstory is several layers of Retroactive Continuity or "retconning" as its also known. Where they revised the backstory over and over and over. She gives the formerly amnesiac Jace a run for his money.

    Most of these are contrived, but not retcons. Her mother surviving and mother Luti revealed as Jaya Ballard certainly made the story feel like a cheap script, but again that doesn't make it a retcon.

    Chandra's homeplane is an interesting story as her name pretty heavily implies an indian setting, but her character was made several years before Kaladesh (and Regatha) was thought up, which is why her appearance (in terms of clothing at least) seems to clash with her origins. If she had been made after the fact, then her design would reflect that, as it does with virtually every planeswalker who is introduced alongside their homeplane, like Saheeli, Huatli, Samut etc. The same problem applies to Gideon as well.
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  • posted a message on Ravnica Allegiance (RNA) and War of the Spark (WAR) General Discussion
    I mean, we saw stuff like that coming from a mile away. Remember the article where they annoucned that Magic will play fast and loose with continuity if it makes for a better story? Here we see the results of such an approach.

    Personally I don't believe it leads to a better story, but whatever.
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  • posted a message on M20-Flavor and Story
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    Quote from Flisch »
    Looking forward to more Regatha. Hopefully they used some of their creative resources they didn't have to spend on the Guilds block to flesh out Regatha a little. From all the new origins planes, it was awfully... nowhere? Like sure the plane has rugged mountain shard thingies and a red-aligned pyromancer monastery, but other than that we know nothing about it.


    Same, it was in a weird spot with barely any world building and yet being the adopted home of a current main character and a last major character. Vryn is similar but it being Jaces home is still new-er info next to Regatha which has been around almost as long as Chandra.

    Vryn also got some world building for it. Jace's entire origins story took place on Vryn with the last couple lines dealing with him ending up on Ravnica, his first planeswalk plane. The same pattern repeats for Gideon and Chandra as well, which is why Ravnica, Bant and Regatha got little more than namedrops in Origins, which isn't so bad for Ravnica and Bant, as we know about them and can fill in the blanks, but it didn't work out for Regatha.
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  • posted a message on M20-Flavor and Story
    Looking forward to more Regatha. Hopefully they used some of their creative resources they didn't have to spend on the Guilds block to flesh out Regatha a little. From all the new origins planes, it was awfully... nowhere? Like sure the plane has rugged mountain shard thingies and a red-aligned pyromancer monastery, but other than that we know nothing about it.
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  • posted a message on Core 2020 Three Chandras
    Okay, I just realized the rarity does not match the chronological order of her backstory. God, this is going to be so confusing to people.
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