Quote from Phil Bowles
Nameless Inversion is the right choice - you don't need split second to kill Mirror Entity, because your Eyeblight's Ending (or Terror, or Shriekmaw) can do that. There aren't many threats you want to deal with that have exactly T4 - of the three relevant cards listed in an earlier post that Nameless Inversion + Shriekmaw can't deal with, Tombstalker has T5 and Korlash often will, and Phyrexian Ironfoot can be killed with Krosan Grip. Unless Nath of the Gilt-Leaf really does prove to be the Standard bomb no one expects him to be, Sudden Death really gives you nothing Nameless Inversion doesn't. You're right to highlight BB in the cost as a serious consideration - maybe you can get round it with duals, but don't take the risk if you don't need to. What you don't mention is that, again, this is a 3-mana removal spell. Having one is inadvisable to my mind, certainly as your only maindeck removal, but not having a cheaper option on hand could be critical.
Quote from Phil »1. Land, Llanowar Elves
2. Land. Wren's Run Vanquisher, Llanowar Mentor
3. Land, Garruk Wildspeaker, untap two lands, Llanowar Elves token. Hit for 3.
4. Imperious Perfect, blow Garruk for overrun, hit for 22 trample.
Quote from SkizzetMenma: Welcome to the forum.
I wouldn't use Essence Warden at all. 2-3 Boreal Druids to make the deck faster and 2 Loxodon Warhammers for lifegain. Otherwise the deck looks great.
SB: Id prefer Krosan grip over Naturalize, and you should add more Thorn of Amethysts, you will probably need them, As well as 2-3 Extirpate.
Quote from Phil BowlesA two-drop sorcery kills at least as quickly as a three-drop instant, and has the flexibility to be used earlier if need be. Plus it simply costs you less later and frees mana for other things. Ending isn't here because I simply don't think it's good enough - if a creature's black or artifact, Inversion can deal with it. Iif I ever come up against decks running Phyrexian Ironfoot, I'll consider using Ending in the sideboard, but its role amounts to "kill target black or artifact creature with T4 or above that isn't Nath", and that's too much of a niche market for a maindeck card.
Quote from Fire FistHah finaly someone things that goys arent for this deck,pls tell me what were the sittuations that they were useless in cuz i dont have goyfs and cant see for myself.
Quote from JiaozyDefo.I'm only running 8 non creatures in my deck, including Anthems, so having a few sub-bar more won't change the effectivness of the deck.
4/3 Shriekmaws, 4/4 Treetops after Wrath, 4/4 Vanquisher and the like, even after the board has been wiped clean are too good to pass up, IMO, since most list aren't playing ONLY elves, but elves and other good creatures, pumping them all seems more relevant than having a 2/2 for 3.
Quote from SkizzetHe keeps your opponents hand down, and not only that, it's random!
He also gives a 1/1 token for every card any opponent discards. If used together with stupors & Liliana, that's at least 2 cards/tokens every turn.
That is true, im having difficulties with getting Llanowars in my opening hand. Will try with 2-3 Druids.
Im not entirely convinced. You need 7 mana (1+2+4) if you want to play him the same turn. That's alot of mana.
Im more scared of topdecking a Llanowar elves or a Boreal Druid. Can't believe people run 4 of each, they aren't that useful are they?
I don't think Tarmorack is nor will be very popular, given it's inability to fight against any control deck that runs at least 4 spells to draw cards and 4 counters...
Also, I'm not sure about the most recent lists, but most don't run any forest at all, relying on Treetops, Pendelhaven, Llanowar Wastes and Gilt-Leaf Palace for green mana given that the only green spells they play are Tarmogoyf and Call of the Herd, making it only a splash.
So the forestwalk point is moot, givent hat Anthems makes you win the Goyf-on-Goyf war, makes you Treetops 4/4, takes your Vanquishers out of burn range and gives you a permanent boost to the power of your creatures.
Not having an elf to reveal for Vanquisher is not an option that early in the game, you're playing like 30 of them and not having one in hand by turn 2 means something is going VERY wrong...
Quote from Phil Bowles
While it's a fun trick, any of the Harbingers can do it with their Champions, and only one of them is seeing play - and Mistblind Clique isn't being played in that combo. Elf tribal is overburdened with three-drops as it is and in any case doesn't desperately need them since they reliably play a four-drop on turn 3 and will usually want a Vanquisher on turn 2. Masked Admirers is a better fit for the four-slot because you can drop it before the Wrath and get it back afterwards, without losing a card as you do with the Packmaster and reducing the *** player's card advantage in the process.
I run the Anthem. Only have 2 atm, so im using Champion as well. Will put him in the SB against Treefolk when i have 4 GA.
Gaea's Anthem is awesome because of the synergy with MassRemoval & Treetop Village.
Someone mentioned a few threads back that he isn't something you'd wanna topdeck after MR, but with Treetops that isn't the case. Im more scared of topdecking a Llanowar elves or a Boreal Druid. Can't believe people run 4 of each, they aren't that useful are they?
Im also loving Nath, together with stupor he is quite decent, and as Funeral of Gods pointed out, he isn't that vurnerable against removal. Together with Liliana Vess your opponent will soon have zero cards in his/her hand, & forced to play whatever he/she draws. Her tutor-ability together with Masked isn't bad at all.
Epochrasite is an interesting choice, never considered it before.
Quote from lagillespwhat about sudden death?
Quote from Fire Fist2 Nath MD !!!! I always want to have a Nath in my hand he realy is awesome !! Treetop Vilage is a 4 of in my build ,like other pple said THEY WIN GAMES.Packmaster is 3x.I dont play Harbringers do,after ALOT of testing I removed them cuz Im testing a faster mode cuz 3 mana for a 1/2 isnt agro like .