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I would strongly recommend RG dinosaurs. I built the deck for my 8 yr old son and he loves it. Very easy to pilot, incredibly explosive and powerful. My list


Rhonas is probably the only non-budget card and it is easily negligible. Could be another Ferocidon

Arcanist can be good in the deck anyway. But I wouldn't rely too hard on the combo. Maybe something like:

With burn and Bant seeming to rise in popularity, I wonder if 4x stubborn is mandatory now.. I've held out of adding blue back into my list because I love the consistency. But it's hard to bear burn without it

Any love left in this forum for some juicy Jund Shadow lists?

How do we know which are foil and which aren't? And is anyone certain that the foiling process will be that of the FTV disaster?

I'm very interested in building a commander cube. What do you guys recommend for generic good stuff commanders?
So far I have:

Derevi (bant)
Varina (esper) (enough zombies to support this)
Thantis (jund)
Samut (Naya)
Kess (Grixis)
Karador (abzan)
Tasigur (Sultai)
Yasova (Temur)
Alesha (Mardu)
Pramikon (Jeskai)
- Golgari -
Meren
Hogaak
Jarad
- Orzhov -
Karlov
Obzedat
Kambal
- Simic -
Edric
Tatyova
Vannifar
- Boros -
Firesong
Jor Kadeem
Tajic, Legions Edge
- Izzet -
Melek
Adeliz (enough wizards to support this)
Kraum
- Gruul -
Ruric Thar
Stonebrow
Mina and Denn
- Azorius -
Geist of Saint Traft
Brago
Ishai
- Dimir -
Taigam, Sidisi's Hand
Gisa & Geralf
Scarab God
- Rakdos -
Olivia mobilized for war
Anje Falkenrath
Grenzo, Dungeon Warden
- Selesnya -
Tolsimir Wolfblood
Shalai
Sidar Kondo

Total of 40 commanders, evenly drafted so each player ends up with at least 5 options for a commander (max 8 players of course). Commanders drafted can be in your regular deck if not selected as your commander. There are a few single color legendary creatures in the cube that could potentially be drafted and helm your deck if you get enough of that color.

I would also recommend everyone interested in this deck to take a look at this article where we get a more in-depth look at the archetype and specifically why it's become a contender once again.

I haven't been able to take on an event recently but I'm really excited to try out Once Upon a time and Murderous Rider

Oh thanks! I was confusing it with the Sideboard Artifact hate adventure that people are using, which is a Sorcery. (the name escapes me)

Having two traversable answers to PW is nice though. In a meta with lots of Jund and UW I think I would play both the Giant and Rider. But as it stands I think I like Plague Engineer in the main now more than ever. Murderous is probably too low of an opportunity cost NOT to include in the deck, and I have a personal affinity for GCR. It's won me so many games, I would almost never sleeve up without it.

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Did a 3-1 at a local shop. Played a list similiar to the Leo Lahonen from Grand Prix Ghent. The 3 Kologhan's command were great and felt like the best card. I still have Assassin's trophy and Tarfire in the mainboard and I always liked drawing those too.

Once Upon a Time looks cool might have to try that.

Oh and one more thing. If you've ever played jund/abzan midrange it's really tempting to sit back and play a grindy game but this deck doesn't really do that. A lot of bad habits to break I can't explain it.

Did you include the extra TBR in your Sideboard? That was probably the most notable thing from that list, besides maybe 3x Kcmd in the main board. Which honestly seems excessive to me. Likely a meta call expecting lots of SFM. I think 1-2 is probably reasonable still.

Here's the list I've been testing. I'm waiting on OUT and Murderous Rider so swap and test them out, but for now this has been doing so-so


I'm also a little skeptical of the Bonecrusher Giant but it is nice that it can target Planeswalkers. Being a Sorcery is kinda lame though..

I haven't seen much of Humans in my area and there's consistently tons of Tron and Valakut and UWx control so I'm sticking with Fulminator Mage over the GQ / W6 plan.

Stephen Snelsen is a great Jund Shadow player from the SCG Philly area whose lists I've been following for over a year now. He's got a new spicy one sporting OUT and main board LOTV

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Had trouble getting delerium without instants sometimes. Manamorphose probably fixes that.
Really wanna go to 3 k-command plus a single liliana of the veil. Wondering if its too slow. K-comm seems really good especially with street wraith usually in the yard.

Does mishras bauble and street wraith ever get boarded out? Or are they too important for turning on delerium?

I never board out Bauble but Street Wraith comes out against burn. I usually shave 1-2 Street Wraith against Humans and Spirits because I don't want my life total getting too low

Manamorphose is great at enabling delirium early. Personally I feel like 4x 3-drops is too much if you're only running 18 land
I don't find there to be a ton of value from LOTV in the main board. Some match-up it's fairly dead, others is great.

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Just realized that Corridor Monitor can jump a mana dork into a Kiki-"Exarch" combo without requiring a zillion Forests a la Scryb Ranger in (nearly extinct) Prime Speaker Vannifar builds and even lets you chop the Deceiver Exarch/Village Bell-Ringer slot. I probably should make the switch now.

I think in your scenario you would still want an exarch just to have an additional CMC to potentially combo off. It's a shame Pod is gone because this new card would have been sweet for that deck.

I think castle locthwain is gonna be great for BGx and particularly Death's Shadow.
While Mystic Sanctuary is a house in UW Control. The counter-lock combo with Deprive should not be over-looked. Much easier on the mana than the old Eternal Command lock. And the new Sanctuary works just fine Cryptic Command as well

Can you provide any links?

With the new showings of JDS here and also here maybe we can get some theory crafting going back up again in this thread? I'll note that Manamorphose is back in nearly every list and also Plague Engineer main board seems popular as well.

I think that is a huge step in the right direction. It validates the crab, which is currently the only real reason to run blue. These both synergize with Sluice as well. But without red we have little to no ways to discard from our hand. I'm thinking maybe a list such as

Likely Sideboard 4x Creeping Chill for the burn match up

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I think theres a 2mana green satyr somewhere in theros block that either search the top 4 or 5 cards of the deck for a creature/land and dumps the rest into the graveyard. Maybe that's a consideration?

This is Satyr Wayfinder which only finds land and dumps all other cards into the yard.

Incubation//Incongruity is amazing in this deck and it helps achieve delirium very easily.
I think losing looting might be hurting the deck too much though