Blegh, I am the town bodyguard, it's extremely frustrating that noone actually sat down and considered what I said about there being good reasons for not claiming exactly what role I am.
A scumrole is between role cop, roleblocker and bulletsponge, and if it happens to be roleblocker and Iso has another shot/we have a vigi outside Iso, scum not knowing my exact role would've forced them to roleblock me, opening up for a potential vigi shot. A medic save or a vigi shot would both have given us one extra lynch/kill, so either allowing the potential medic to get a save, or the vigi to get an extra shot would've put us in a much better situation.
If the scumrole is either of the other two this obviously wont matter.
So obviously I can't reveal any information about last night outside the fact that scum killed Grapefruit, I myself targeted Delphine as she was waaay under the radar compared to the hype she had about the playerlist. She did a few things that had her town to me, amongst others her talk about her first game so thought there was a decent chance she'd be PR.
Delphine is a nice gal, and she has an issue with guilt when playing as mafia. Her non-chalantly going about how she read her first game and laughing about how much of a kid she was, is something I consider very hard to do for her as scum because she'd feel likee she's not taking the game too seriously and as such have a negative performance for her team.
Seriously, if I had had the time yesterday I would've gone through it the same way as I did today. I expected a game with this large an issue with people having rl issues would grant me a day to return, try to see if I could turn the tides slightly in my favour potentially saving my claim for another day/a day I had more/any info.
I won't claim all unless the majority of the game wants me to, there should be fairly obvious reasons for this.
Name a situation he has tried to find scum outside me? Just one? He's followed the consensus stream of thoughts from town the majority of the game, not done much to rock the boat.
The majority of his case on me I've pointed out the errors in and NOT A SINGLE PERSON has commented on it.
Oh yeah also, hai I'm the Plow Mechanic, town protective role.
Everyone has been okay with this lynch all day, no one even made an attempt to react to why Regfan's case is absolutely garbage and appearently people are not willing to theorise world's including town!Pozzai which is absolutely disgusting.
Regfan has done more solving than anyone else in this game. If he's wrong about you, I'll take that into account. But the case is not garbage even if incorrect.
What are the mechanics of your role? Who did you protect last night?
The majority of his points in his case are blatantly wrong and he's done 0 to push on actual scum this game, instead just sitting back doing nothing while town got lynched day1 and hoping his misslynch today went through.
The reasoning behind teammates of mine makes no sense with the argument he makes. If he had said "Iso is most likely the vigi, so he's not with Pozzai" that had been okay, his clearing that from my one comment about Iso early day2, when surely a scummate would KNOW the shot wouldn't be from a town mind set is weak as ****.
His comment about how I 'dropped' my scumread in hin when I had talked about two different worlds I saw is also very weak and the only times he's asked me anything or interacted with me has been around silly small things like that, which he could use to paint me scum, as opposed to inquiry about things he wonders about.
I am not sure I should reveal what kind of protective role I am, I will let more people come with their thoughts about it before doing so.
I want people to discuss the last two mainly is there anyone that fits into both worlds?
First world mainly because of Tom's comment about how Empoof tinfoiling about him is town because "he can't get me lynched".
In a town!Tom world he doesn't need it today, he needed it after I die, thought of it not mattering at all due to this circumstance never actually crossed his mind, instead wanted to point it out to pre-emptively strengthen the read.
Vaimes is most likely town, I think Newcomb is fairly likely town, due to him not fitting the worlds too well in regards to nkas, also liked the frustration about lack of activity.
The argument that Regfan hasn't yet done enough seems fairly absurd to me. Would prefer you do something more interesting if you haven't yet given up.
Name a situation he has tried to find scum outside me? Just one? He's followed the consensus stream of thoughts from town the majority of the game, not done much to rock the boat.
The majority of his case on me I've pointed out the errors in and NOT A SINGLE PERSON has commented on it.
Oh yeah also, hai I'm the Plow Mechanic, town protective role.
Everyone has been okay with this lynch all day, no one even made an attempt to react to why Regfan's case is absolutely garbage and appearently people are not willing to theorise world's including town!Pozzai which is absolutely disgusting.
Why is it different than me not commenting on a guy early barely out of RvS stage though? And how come if you read my post, that entire paragraph lay forgotten?
Do you think Regfan has done anything to find my partners at all? Except a very weak "he's not with Iso because of that one comment, but could definitely be with Ophidia" part early? He egged people on about X=Y because he could be my partner, but never tried to resolve his alignment, he's done the exact same today, albeit forced to take a greater stake in it.
So whenI flip town who do you lynch tomorrow?
And I never stated he was a 'bad lynch' he was in my second tier because he would be fairly informative for the exact same reason.
I don't know what question you're referring to, but [this playstyle] tries its best not to interact with scumreads. I'll go find it though.
I'll recap it, I asked "Why does Regfan's lack of interest in solving X=Y's alignment not warrant the same 'focusses on wrong areas' criticism from you?"
Anyways as my thoughts are atm before reading closer up:
Likely towns no matter world:
Vaimes
Newcomb
Town'ishes
Empoof
Self-resolving:
Iso
Scum by association(ie not scumreads as such but fits the best into a Regfan world)
Tom
Nacho
Scumreads:
Regfan
D_V
Kill
A bit about the scumreads, I've already talked about Regfan, and he's most likely with Tom or Regfan(doubt it's both because scumstacking me as the first three voters are !?!??!??)
Talked a bit about D_V - Killroy links.
Killroy also keeps harping on who's the scummiest vote on X=Y and still hasn't taken a stance on why he thought the Typhoon vote was less scum than the rest, because in my mind Typhoon's vote was WAY worse than any other. Their thoughts in regards to me felt disjointed, Regfan's initial case on me was good, despite the questions I had asked at time to Killroy were in their eyes good, but he reads Regfan more town because my later questions were bad?
D_V I hated Typhoon's vote on X=Y when looking at the two cases he presented, D_V replaced in, asked a quick question about someone giving him a quick readup on the X=Y case, and then agreed with Tom and hammered X=Y, relieving himself of any responsibility. This wouldn't feel super off, except D_V didn't really show at any point they have caught up, making a weak case on Vaimes purely on day2 stuff.
Overall makes it seem very "oh well let's get the misslynch out of the way" because there have seemed to be a lack of interest in solving the game.
Quickly skimmed since my 2nd last post, will be start rereading more, so I'm around for now.
@Killjoy how come you point out my questions early are good, but agree with Regfan's analysis as them being poor, because you consider a (few?) questions afterwards poor?
@Tomsloger could you respond to the question I had in my wallpost, I don't think you have at all, which makes me feel like you handwaved everything away in that post away, despite needing 'reassurance' from Regfan by him making the 'case' on me, how do you go from "I'm uncertain" to handwaving everything away, without interacting at any of the points at all?
Sorry, life's been a mess, I just wanted to let you guys know I haven't forgotten about this game, I'll be around tomorrow to play, leave a legacy or whatever, sorry for not letting Wheat know when it started going downhill... Ttyl !
I've tried to make this read as succinct as possible and focus on what I think are the stronger scum-tells but clealry that's not my forte. We're lynching Pozzai here today, very very confident he's scum here and really do want to hear others thoughts re; this post.
1) His opening and entrace questioning into the game for instance his Post #126, Post #130 and Post #136 don't look like him actually hunting for alignment at all but moreso him throwing out questions to seem contributive. The huge issue here and throughout the game is the areas he's focusing on; it's never on any real important or alignment indicative sections. His focus on Toms change in playstyle for instance inside Post #129 with the accusation that the playstyle change is one done purposely as scum to give out more town reads doesn't read like a natural thought process and ignores large sections of conversation about it that happened earlier on. Outside of his read and stance on myself which I'll go into in 2) there's very little reads/analysis/stance/anything from him and while he may like to take in data before giving those reads out the fact that the angles he was poking and questioning didn't entail anything about the main topics is a huge red flag. His first actual reads/analysis post in the game in Post #553 is super shallow and the comment re; X=Y makes plenty of sense coming from scum that know X=Y is about to flip town and his reads list inside Post #664 looks like leaving multiple mslynch options open and the fact that a lot of the reads presented there (Particularly Iso/Nacho) are reads that have come mostly out of nowhere is a fairly big scum tell.
2) His reaction towards my scum read and vote on him initally inside of Post #236 makes plenty of sense coming from scum in that it allows him a) A direction to push inside the game and b) A way to respond towards his scum read on me without having to really focus on the reasoning behind it it. His reaction towards the conversation that Newcomb/Myself had about him inside Post #269 ignores what actually transpired in that Newcomb stated he'd go into the read in more detail later and I stated that I was waiting on that; the entire way that Pozzai attempts to paint it is massively scum motivated. His response to Newcomb about myself in Post #470 makes very little sense; it's pretty clear that I don't think VM translates to FM whatsoever and the "Expecting him to play 180" is smething that never transpired; his entire comment re; Newcomb/Iso ignores what my reads are on both players and ignores what my intentions behind asking Iso for his reasoning behind his Pozzai read is. His response towards how he attempts to solve/play the game inside Post #551 particularly re; 1) doesn't match his actions throughout the game at all. While I do like some of his analysis of Typhon/Ophidia inside Post #748 and Post #749 the way he goes about dropping of his read on me through "I don't see Regfan being scum with them in this world" doesn't feel natural at all especially in comparison to the amount of focus he put on his read on me throughout D1; it makes plenty of sense as scum knowing that I'm not a lynch target here and focusing on someone they can either distance with or mslynch.
3) Him returning from V/LA inside Post #435 and attacking me for not asking Delphi for her read on him (Which is something that actually happened) is a fairly huge scum tell in that A) It's making it clear he hasn't read my posts or the thread properly and B) It's a question directed solely in hope/attempt to make me look bad; When I responded inside Post #437 explaining the conversation had already occurred and running through my entire thought process about it inside Post #441 he changed the angle to "Why did you ask Newcomb before Delphine" inside Post #445 which is a case of him moving the goal posts and not him actually assessing and analyzing my answer whatsoever; particularly since asking someone 1st or 2nd about their read on a player is not an alignment indicative tell and had he actually been reading my posts it'd be obvious that I'm interacting and relying on Newcombs thought process more than most in the room.
Pretty much if you want a TLDR (But please read) it's that his focuses and questions this game don't look like him attempting to discern anyone's alignment; he's constantly focusing on fairly insignificant sections of the game and has barely actually conversed about important topics for instance he gave very little read on X=Y and the wagon on him until very very late in the day and even then it was minimalist. His read and reasoning on me throughout D1 doesn't read as genuine and moreso looks like him just using it as a main topic of his conversation, the fact that the read has fallen off entirely D2 again points towards it not being a legitimate read. His interaction with me when returning from V/LA doesn't come across as town at all, it's not him analysing my answers but just trying to constantly move the goal posts till hef finds something he can push on.
Hopefully my vote actually counts this time;
Vote: Pozzai
Sadly wont be around for too long but let me adress this.
1) While the second question is obviously getting a feeling of people's interrelations and therefore not scumhunting, the two other examples here are.
In regards to the Delphine question, she asked a question I felt like asking myself, but instead of lazily going "oh cool mindmeld" I chose to investigate what exactly her thought process was compared to mine.
A mindmeld is of no strong importance if it's easily fakeable, example, Tom and my observations in regards to X=Y towards end of day1. While Delphine asked the same question I would, our thoughts didn't completely mesh, we were playing in the same ballpark, but I stood ready to bat, but Delphine had brought a football, leaving me to slightly notate it down as potentially townlean, but not strong instead of just accepting it.
The other is a question in order to determine state of mind from Grapefruit, asking him to set words on what to me was a very awkward standpoint.
Another early line of questioning that Regfan ignores is my interactions with Von in regards to Newcomb with is multilayered. I'm asking Vaimes because Newcomb adresses reading him in a manner I felt very non-town indicative, and talking about how Newcomb's read of Vaimes has progressed since last we played. The second layer is the way I adress Vaimes in, amongst others pointing out silly things like him saying "lol" aggressively, because there's a real chance in catching scum!Vaimes backtracking, freezing or overcompensating when you go head on to him.
Similar for all these "poor questions" is that Regfan has not a single time asked about the purpose of any of them, has never a single time during this game actively tried to resolve my alignment, or the things he have called me out as scum for doing, similary he has taken 0 consideration to what Newcomb or Delphine had to say about the points despite asking, ironically making his questions very about me to those two very empty, nor did he take up the queue from Delphine where she asked me something and got a fairly substantiated answer, as a means to try and dig himself. This despite him never adding these two names when asked about who could be my partners.
This leads us to the Tom thing, which to this point of the game remains the sole thing that Regfan has really dug into of mine, a comment about his purposefully changing his style, to some other person's. At no point during this game have I brought it up to shade any read Tom have had, it gives a fakeness over his attitude at times, creates a harder time to read him town if that is his alignment and automatically set his bar lower because he's 'imitating someone else' I feel Regfan saw this a very easy point to attempt at making me look bad, and is why this has been his only 'attempt at determining my alignment to date'
And in regards to the whole X=Y thing, it may seem shallow, so why not dig into it, I explained what Tom, and later Newcomb did in fewer words, and honestly, a reads list that's flipped upside down is keeping your "options open?" How is that different from: Null, lean scum, scum? Bear in mind, Regfan did absolutely ZERO about solving X=Y's alignment, he spent the entire day saying "X=Y and Pozzai are scum" and "Pozzai and X=Y are very likely together", but just sat back, away from the wagon the entire day without feeling any interest in solving his alingment. Why is it Regfan doing this has not come up for you in terms of "focuses on the wrong area" @Tomsloger ?
2) "ignores everything about Newcomb wanting to read into detail more later" it did not, point was Newcomb said that this is at worst NAI for me, something Regfan didn't use for anything, and as mentioned before still hasn't, and still haven't considered Newcomb as a likely scummate to me.
Read my interactions again and say "#551" doesn't match my actions. One of the first people I ask questions, and whose motives I questioned strongly was Delphine, another person was Vaimes, with whom I discussed Newcomb. Those are the three people I have the most knowledge of in this game, and those I mainly focused on.
Nor did I EVER drop my scumread on Regfan, I simply consider Regfan more likely scum in a world that is not Ophidia/Typhon/X because of interactions, I very clearly follow it up by saying Regfan fits better with Tom sticking to the one outside vote, one inside vote, and Regfan trying to push that as a "dropping the scumread" is disgusting.
3) A) There's a very strong difference in that question whether you emphasize the "did" or not, and when I responded to me clearly having read it as I had previously quoted Delphine from the resulting discussion they had, and his complete dismissal of me repeating the question as it was meant, shows yet again that Regfan's objective here is never to attempt to reread me, there is never any evaluation done, there's never any discussion going on in which he attempts to investigate whether his initial read of me is correct or not, he's deadset on the read, because he doesn't actually care about my alignment, only my lynch.
Look through his actively interacting with people he's scumread. He talks a lot about X=Y, about me, about Ophidiaslot, but very rarely to them, very rarely actively try to do anything to discern them.
He has not yet today considered what happens post my death, he has not trying to figure out who is scum outside me. In the world Regfan and me are both town, we're in lylo tomorrow, and Regfan has done **** all but tunnel me and what happens tomorrow, will he survive?
There is no fear, no doubt, no looking into who could be with me and potentially in other worlds as well, he's even saying the most likely partner of mine is Ophidia, despite voting the slot yesterday, and making the case he 'liked some of the analysis of' he's even going so far that Iso is most likely not my partner because of one fairly simple comment, but considers Ophidiaslot very likely partner despite me presenting those thoughts? That is not a person that analyses the game, that is the thoughts of a person pushing an agenda despite the situation.
Ok, how about her read on Ophidiaslot in #311/344?
It's a scumread, but she's not jumping on me or nacho's questions, or Newcomb's read. She's just doing her own thing.
Quickly skimmed it, will look deeper into it when I get home from work/tomorrow as those kind of nuances is not really my thing in terms of spotting them. First impressions from only skimming her posts not what prompted them or interacted with them I'm not 100% sold, I do like the "think it would give a better read if Ophidia engaged some of the interactions instead of being reactionary" part at the end. It's kind of "c'mon give me something to work with" in a manner I don't think a partner would take to another partner in, at least not in thread.
Will look into notes when I get back in terms of where in the day it was located, ie X=Y wagon status and scumchat status.
Delphine is occassionally actively non-opportunistic. Like, #641. People wanted her to affirm their Pozzai notions. It would have been so easy to (shade town Pozzai / defend buddy Pozzai / whatever). There is no agenda to Delphine's posts.
Purely out of selfish reasons, do you have an example of this that does not involve me?
This is also odd, because you being town would almost lock in this read for me.
See that is where we disagree, scum!Delphine pushing on me day1, for what I'd consider poor reasons without me having a strong townread on her, could very well backfire on her on my townflip. I think scum!Delphine would not neccessarily run that risk day1 where she after having read a person she knows well wrong and pushed him day1, she has to live for two days without being lynched in response.
I think it is an unnecessary risk for scum!Delphine to take, especially if she felt like the X=Y lynch was highly likely to go through.
I don't think Delphine is scum for a few reasons, I was merely hoping for you to have an agenda point not revolving around me to help strengthen or soften my read.
A scumrole is between role cop, roleblocker and bulletsponge, and if it happens to be roleblocker and Iso has another shot/we have a vigi outside Iso, scum not knowing my exact role would've forced them to roleblock me, opening up for a potential vigi shot. A medic save or a vigi shot would both have given us one extra lynch/kill, so either allowing the potential medic to get a save, or the vigi to get an extra shot would've put us in a much better situation.
If the scumrole is either of the other two this obviously wont matter.
So obviously I can't reveal any information about last night outside the fact that scum killed Grapefruit, I myself targeted Delphine as she was waaay under the radar compared to the hype she had about the playerlist. She did a few things that had her town to me, amongst others her talk about her first game so thought there was a decent chance she'd be PR.
Delphine is a nice gal, and she has an issue with guilt when playing as mafia. Her non-chalantly going about how she read her first game and laughing about how much of a kid she was, is something I consider very hard to do for her as scum because she'd feel likee she's not taking the game too seriously and as such have a negative performance for her team.
I won't claim all unless the majority of the game wants me to, there should be fairly obvious reasons for this.
Do not like
How well do you know Newcomb's scumgame?
Does he try to make himself look unalignes with his team?
Does he hard align?
Something third?
The majority of his points in his case are blatantly wrong and he's done 0 to push on actual scum this game, instead just sitting back doing nothing while town got lynched day1 and hoping his misslynch today went through.
The reasoning behind teammates of mine makes no sense with the argument he makes. If he had said "Iso is most likely the vigi, so he's not with Pozzai" that had been okay, his clearing that from my one comment about Iso early day2, when surely a scummate would KNOW the shot wouldn't be from a town mind set is weak as ****.
His comment about how I 'dropped' my scumread in hin when I had talked about two different worlds I saw is also very weak and the only times he's asked me anything or interacted with me has been around silly small things like that, which he could use to paint me scum, as opposed to inquiry about things he wonders about.
I am not sure I should reveal what kind of protective role I am, I will let more people come with their thoughts about it before doing so.
Iso could fit into both latter worlds sorta, but really not interested in lynching something resolved by claims/shots untill lylo.
Regfan/Tom/Empoof
Regfan/Nacho/x
Ophidia/Typhoon/x
I want people to discuss the last two mainly is there anyone that fits into both worlds?
First world mainly because of Tom's comment about how Empoof tinfoiling about him is town because "he can't get me lynched".
In a town!Tom world he doesn't need it today, he needed it after I die, thought of it not mattering at all due to this circumstance never actually crossed his mind, instead wanted to point it out to pre-emptively strengthen the read.
Vaimes is most likely town, I think Newcomb is fairly likely town, due to him not fitting the worlds too well in regards to nkas, also liked the frustration about lack of activity.
vote: Regfan
Name a situation he has tried to find scum outside me? Just one? He's followed the consensus stream of thoughts from town the majority of the game, not done much to rock the boat.
The majority of his case on me I've pointed out the errors in and NOT A SINGLE PERSON has commented on it.
Oh yeah also, hai I'm the Plow Mechanic, town protective role.
Everyone has been okay with this lynch all day, no one even made an attempt to react to why Regfan's case is absolutely garbage and appearently people are not willing to theorise world's including town!Pozzai which is absolutely disgusting.
Do you think Regfan has done anything to find my partners at all? Except a very weak "he's not with Iso because of that one comment, but could definitely be with Ophidia" part early? He egged people on about X=Y because he could be my partner, but never tried to resolve his alignment, he's done the exact same today, albeit forced to take a greater stake in it.
So whenI flip town who do you lynch tomorrow?
And I never stated he was a 'bad lynch' he was in my second tier because he would be fairly informative for the exact same reason.
I'll recap it, I asked "Why does Regfan's lack of interest in solving X=Y's alignment not warrant the same 'focusses on wrong areas' criticism from you?"
Likely towns no matter world:
Vaimes
Newcomb
Town'ishes
Empoof
Self-resolving:
Iso
Scum by association(ie not scumreads as such but fits the best into a Regfan world)
Tom
Nacho
Scumreads:
Regfan
D_V
Kill
A bit about the scumreads, I've already talked about Regfan, and he's most likely with Tom or Regfan(doubt it's both because scumstacking me as the first three voters are !?!??!??)
Talked a bit about D_V - Killroy links.
Killroy also keeps harping on who's the scummiest vote on X=Y and still hasn't taken a stance on why he thought the Typhoon vote was less scum than the rest, because in my mind Typhoon's vote was WAY worse than any other. Their thoughts in regards to me felt disjointed, Regfan's initial case on me was good, despite the questions I had asked at time to Killroy were in their eyes good, but he reads Regfan more town because my later questions were bad?
D_V I hated Typhoon's vote on X=Y when looking at the two cases he presented, D_V replaced in, asked a quick question about someone giving him a quick readup on the X=Y case, and then agreed with Tom and hammered X=Y, relieving himself of any responsibility. This wouldn't feel super off, except D_V didn't really show at any point they have caught up, making a weak case on Vaimes purely on day2 stuff.
Overall makes it seem very "oh well let's get the misslynch out of the way" because there have seemed to be a lack of interest in solving the game.
@Killjoy how come you point out my questions early are good, but agree with Regfan's analysis as them being poor, because you consider a (few?) questions afterwards poor?
@Tomsloger could you respond to the question I had in my wallpost, I don't think you have at all, which makes me feel like you handwaved everything away in that post away, despite needing 'reassurance' from Regfan by him making the 'case' on me, how do you go from "I'm uncertain" to handwaving everything away, without interacting at any of the points at all?
Sadly wont be around for too long but let me adress this.
1) While the second question is obviously getting a feeling of people's interrelations and therefore not scumhunting, the two other examples here are.
In regards to the Delphine question, she asked a question I felt like asking myself, but instead of lazily going "oh cool mindmeld" I chose to investigate what exactly her thought process was compared to mine.
A mindmeld is of no strong importance if it's easily fakeable, example, Tom and my observations in regards to X=Y towards end of day1. While Delphine asked the same question I would, our thoughts didn't completely mesh, we were playing in the same ballpark, but I stood ready to bat, but Delphine had brought a football, leaving me to slightly notate it down as potentially townlean, but not strong instead of just accepting it.
The other is a question in order to determine state of mind from Grapefruit, asking him to set words on what to me was a very awkward standpoint.
Another early line of questioning that Regfan ignores is my interactions with Von in regards to Newcomb with is multilayered. I'm asking Vaimes because Newcomb adresses reading him in a manner I felt very non-town indicative, and talking about how Newcomb's read of Vaimes has progressed since last we played. The second layer is the way I adress Vaimes in, amongst others pointing out silly things like him saying "lol" aggressively, because there's a real chance in catching scum!Vaimes backtracking, freezing or overcompensating when you go head on to him.
Similar for all these "poor questions" is that Regfan has not a single time asked about the purpose of any of them, has never a single time during this game actively tried to resolve my alignment, or the things he have called me out as scum for doing, similary he has taken 0 consideration to what Newcomb or Delphine had to say about the points despite asking, ironically making his questions very about me to those two very empty, nor did he take up the queue from Delphine where she asked me something and got a fairly substantiated answer, as a means to try and dig himself. This despite him never adding these two names when asked about who could be my partners.
This leads us to the Tom thing, which to this point of the game remains the sole thing that Regfan has really dug into of mine, a comment about his purposefully changing his style, to some other person's. At no point during this game have I brought it up to shade any read Tom have had, it gives a fakeness over his attitude at times, creates a harder time to read him town if that is his alignment and automatically set his bar lower because he's 'imitating someone else' I feel Regfan saw this a very easy point to attempt at making me look bad, and is why this has been his only 'attempt at determining my alignment to date'
And in regards to the whole X=Y thing, it may seem shallow, so why not dig into it, I explained what Tom, and later Newcomb did in fewer words, and honestly, a reads list that's flipped upside down is keeping your "options open?" How is that different from: Null, lean scum, scum? Bear in mind, Regfan did absolutely ZERO about solving X=Y's alignment, he spent the entire day saying "X=Y and Pozzai are scum" and "Pozzai and X=Y are very likely together", but just sat back, away from the wagon the entire day without feeling any interest in solving his alingment. Why is it Regfan doing this has not come up for you in terms of "focuses on the wrong area" @Tomsloger ?
2) "ignores everything about Newcomb wanting to read into detail more later" it did not, point was Newcomb said that this is at worst NAI for me, something Regfan didn't use for anything, and as mentioned before still hasn't, and still haven't considered Newcomb as a likely scummate to me.
Read my interactions again and say "#551" doesn't match my actions. One of the first people I ask questions, and whose motives I questioned strongly was Delphine, another person was Vaimes, with whom I discussed Newcomb. Those are the three people I have the most knowledge of in this game, and those I mainly focused on.
Nor did I EVER drop my scumread on Regfan, I simply consider Regfan more likely scum in a world that is not Ophidia/Typhon/X because of interactions, I very clearly follow it up by saying Regfan fits better with Tom sticking to the one outside vote, one inside vote, and Regfan trying to push that as a "dropping the scumread" is disgusting.
3) A) There's a very strong difference in that question whether you emphasize the "did" or not, and when I responded to me clearly having read it as I had previously quoted Delphine from the resulting discussion they had, and his complete dismissal of me repeating the question as it was meant, shows yet again that Regfan's objective here is never to attempt to reread me, there is never any evaluation done, there's never any discussion going on in which he attempts to investigate whether his initial read of me is correct or not, he's deadset on the read, because he doesn't actually care about my alignment, only my lynch.
Look through his actively interacting with people he's scumread. He talks a lot about X=Y, about me, about Ophidiaslot, but very rarely to them, very rarely actively try to do anything to discern them.
He has not yet today considered what happens post my death, he has not trying to figure out who is scum outside me. In the world Regfan and me are both town, we're in lylo tomorrow, and Regfan has done **** all but tunnel me and what happens tomorrow, will he survive?
There is no fear, no doubt, no looking into who could be with me and potentially in other worlds as well, he's even saying the most likely partner of mine is Ophidia, despite voting the slot yesterday, and making the case he 'liked some of the analysis of' he's even going so far that Iso is most likely not my partner because of one fairly simple comment, but considers Ophidiaslot very likely partner despite me presenting those thoughts? That is not a person that analyses the game, that is the thoughts of a person pushing an agenda despite the situation.
Quickly skimmed it, will look deeper into it when I get home from work/tomorrow as those kind of nuances is not really my thing in terms of spotting them. First impressions from only skimming her posts not what prompted them or interacted with them I'm not 100% sold, I do like the "think it would give a better read if Ophidia engaged some of the interactions instead of being reactionary" part at the end. It's kind of "c'mon give me something to work with" in a manner I don't think a partner would take to another partner in, at least not in thread.
Will look into notes when I get back in terms of where in the day it was located, ie X=Y wagon status and scumchat status.
See that is where we disagree, scum!Delphine pushing on me day1, for what I'd consider poor reasons without me having a strong townread on her, could very well backfire on her on my townflip. I think scum!Delphine would not neccessarily run that risk day1 where she after having read a person she knows well wrong and pushed him day1, she has to live for two days without being lynched in response.
I think it is an unnecessary risk for scum!Delphine to take, especially if she felt like the X=Y lynch was highly likely to go through.
I don't think Delphine is scum for a few reasons, I was merely hoping for you to have an agenda point not revolving around me to help strengthen or soften my read.