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  • posted a message on Temporary State of the Meta Thread (Rules Update 7/17/17)
    Quote from pierrebai »
    I'm not too enthusiastic about this recent discussion.

    For starter, like many, I think the speculation of what would happen without the current tier-1 is both mostly hot air and entirely pointless. It's not that I mind people shooting from the hip and giving their opinion, but that I find the discussion to be a symptom of a lack of mental rigor. Any meta has a tier one, every tier set will have its detractor, every deck has its lover and hater. You'd replace one set of dissatisfied players with another. I'd rather read people discuss how to make some decks better than how to destroy the ones that exist. I find the current displayed hate for the existing tier-1 a bit tasteless.

    Furthermore, the discussion seems to take for granted two things. One, that the current tier-1 suite is dominating. It's not true. Multiple recent results have shown other decks taking the crown in a given tournament. There is no huge gulf between tier-1 and tier-2. So why want to change the tier-1? It does not extinguish variety, that's just not true. Two, history bears this out, a single new card can push tier-2 deck into tier-1. Look at Baral making storm better for example. So, I would much prefer to see people speculating on new cards (even made up ones) that would help change the meta rather than bashing tier-1 decks you think are no-fun.



    Agreed. It's really a simple matter to create another subforum here and pin it to the top strictly for discussion of cards to ban/unban in the Modern format. A thread titled in any way w/ "State of the Meta" should not include discussion about banning/unbanning cards, rather it should center on the discussion of decks and cards actually legal in the format. This, imho, is what most players would rather talk about and especially READ about even if they don't want to start or engage in conversation themselves. This particular thread is dominated by about 12 posters who say the same thing every day all day long, and they only focus on what they want banned/unbanned. So there is really no discussion about the state of the meta in this thread it's all about a meta of fantasy.

    The two-month or whatever it was "ban Splinter Twin" talk here was just a half-assed attempt at what I've stated above.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on Ixalan full spoilers
    Another Standard expansion focused on EDH...love it!

    Maybe we'll get some Modern cards in the next Commander set.

    In before somebody says, "But, Opt..."
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Vraska - spoiled at Hascon
    Garruk Wildspeaker and Garruk, Primal Hunter both showed up as seeing Modern play in the last two months. Garruk Relentless did not.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Vraska - spoiled at Hascon
    Just to illustrate the missed opportunity here by not making Vraska 4CMC so she could have a chance in Modern.

    These numbers come from MTG Top 8 over the last two months. There are twenty two PWs seeing play in Modern in that time:

    Liliana
    Karn
    Jace
    Gideon
    Chandra
    Ugin
    Elspeth
    Nahiri
    Ajani
    Sorin
    Saheeli
    Garruk
    Nissa
    Koth
    Domri
    Tamiyo
    Tezzeret
    Dovin Baan
    Ashiok
    Kiora (KIORA!!!)
    Narset
    Nicol Bolas

    If you look at the colors, the only 2-color combination in the game that does not have a PW in Modern being played is B/G. I understand completely being a Modern player that many of the walkers above are not really that good, but they are cheap/powerful/synergistic enough for people to try and make them work in the format. I will note the only B/R walker here is 3-color Nicol Bolas and the only G/W walker is 3-color Tamiyo. Still, there is no B/G walker anywhere of any combination. The first Vraska is unplayable b/c her + ability does absolutely nothing to affect the game...no mana ramp, no card draw, no tap down, no buff or nerf of creatures...nothing, so she is essentially a 5CMC Maelstrom Pulse. The new one is unplayable at 6CMC. The last Vraska was in RtR, which came out in 2012...so, do we wait another five years for another version of Vraska that might be Modern playable? Highly unlikely we will get another version in Rivals. If Angrath (likely B/R) and Ajani (possibly G/W) in Rivals are cheap enough to be Modern playable, I will send Vraska to WotC headquarters for a face-to-face chat.

    Further, the Gatewatch walkers all have recently gotten either a 3CMC (I count UG Nissa here) version (as soon as Ixalan Jace becomes legal), or, as in the case of Chandra, a Modern-playable walker w/ four abilities.

    Why no love for Golgari walkers? Given the change in Planeswalker rules, and how much PWs have become the face of this game, one would think WotC would have tried to push the new Vraska a bit so it could at least be given a chance in Modern. She is THE B/G walker.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Vraska - spoiled at Hascon
    I don't have to reach to complain about EDH. It has its own dedicated product line through WotC now but still pollutes Standard expansions and Masters sets.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Vraska - spoiled at Hascon
    Quote from ShadowFenril »
    So Vraska improved her ability and can now turn people into gold and jewels instead of just stone!

    She's pretty cool. I'm not sure if she'll make the cut in my Superfriends EDH, but definitely worth consideration. She makes a blocker, blows things up while giving you a bit of ramp and makes someone's life miserable. What more could you want?


    What more could you want? Four CMC w/ 4 starting loyalty otherwise the same so that she has a chance to make it into the only format I play, Modern. What a miss here.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Hascon IMA (And Ixalan) Spoilers Thread!
    Quote from Fiveod »
    Quote from MrMime133 »
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    I ALMOST WANT TO BUY A BOX


    I am amazed that you don't already.


    It isn't usually a good idea to buy things spontaneously based on hype and incomplete information. Every Masters set has people hyped to the high heavens when the initial spoilers come out and then relatively disappointed when the full set is known.


    It should also be pointed out that these IM spoilers are coming in the midst of Ixalan spoilers, and stealing thunder from the latter, while also tamping down on discussion about how bad of a card for constructed play the face walker of the set is (looks great for EDH though!). WotC marketing in high gear today. This likely means we've seen the best of what Ixalan has to offer and nothing is left there worth getting excited about.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Vraska - spoiled at Hascon
    As a face walker of a Standard-legal set she is wretchedly bad everywhere but EDH. She was spoiled today at Hascon so her wretchedness would be lost in the spoilers for Iconic (Commander) Masters, which is where all the chatter is now.

    I guess I should not be surprised at this though, b/c Standard expansions now are nothing but Commander products in disguise.

    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Vraska - spoiled at Hascon
    She could easily have been 4cmc and 4 starting loyalty w/ exact same abilities, not be broken in Standard, and potentially be playable in Modern, b/c the other Vraska misses by just oh so much.

    I love dinosaurs and was ready to play prerelease and pull the plug on two booster boxes of this set...all I was waiting for was to see my other favorite walker be Modern playable.

    Now I will purchase nothing from Ixalan.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Card gallery (partial) and Ixalan map (still empty) are up on mothership
    Wonder if WotC missed an opportunity here. It would be cool to have four cards or so in a set like this that transform into pieces of a treasure map, like the meld creatures from last Innistrad, and if you meet the transform conditions on each piece of the map to put the entire map together it's an instant win condition a la Maze's End.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on Card gallery (partial) and Ixalan map (still empty) are up on mothership
    Quote from luminum can »
    The map has been updated, but it seems they were a little sloppy and uploaded more than just the one image...

    Edit: Map versions 2 through 20 were accidentally made publicly viewable but have now been made private. Still managed to snag a download of the final version. Smile


    Nice find! Thanks for catching that and posting it. I imagine the one piece they have up now is where Jace landed.
    Posted in: The Rumor Mill
  • posted a message on State of Modern Thread: bans, format health, metagame, and more! (3/13 update)
    Nothing baseless. People lie. More money, more lies. Human nature. Human history.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on State of Modern Thread: bans, format health, metagame, and more! (3/13 update)
    Does anybody really believe their previously posted results were "random"?

    No company like WotC/Hasbro gives out information at random. It is all carefully selected for a purpose before it is released to the wilds.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on State of Modern Thread: bans, format health, metagame, and more! (3/13 update)
    Quote from idSurge »
    ROFL that's a comical leap in logic.

    1. Data for corporations and private companies.

    2. Results for a game we play, that allows players another avenue of interest, interaction, and discussion.

    Literally laughing right now.

    Despite the various NDAs and probability of jail time, no I don't see how they are the same.




    1. Data for corporations and private companies.

    This is WotC/Hasbro...
    Posted in: Modern Archives
  • posted a message on State of Modern Thread: bans, format health, metagame, and more! (3/13 update)
    Quote from idSurge »
    I don't see the value in the argument.

    If Path was the answer (lol it wasn't) there would have been no need for a ban just play Path, easy!

    Only, it's not that easy, and the downside to path is huge in a game where the early resources are critical.

    If banning is good management well then since that's all wizards has really done, they must be great.

    Forget testing.
    Forget trying new cards.
    Forget unbans.

    All wizards must do is ban that which offends, hide their numbers to keep players ignorant and wave 'nothing to see, trust us'.

    Absolutely garbage level thinking.


    Why don't you tell us where we can access that data you are working on, for free, since you think you are entitled to free MTGO data from WotC. I'd like to see it...all of it.
    Posted in: Modern Archives
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