I've had a town read on you, and obviously you feel the same way about your alignment that I do, so why would you ask me to take you off the team for someone you "think" is town and leave someone who I am declaring anti-town as loud as I possibly can.
I'd rather spend the time finding your teammates then beating this dead horse more.
Read as "I don't have a good answer and I'd rather spend time looking for Merlin amongst your townmates."
I've already made my points against you and I don't need to keep repeating them. I bet if you read my posts again you'd figure out why I am saying what I'm saying.
At least you weren't the first scum I outed this game, so you can be proud of that.
To anyone still hardleaning on a scumread on me (at least Rhand, D_V, RSJT), who do you think the scumteam is and why would my reads be as they are given said team?
I'd rather spend the time finding your teammates then beating this dead horse more. I guess that's probably how a lot of people feel about me, but at least I'll be able to look back when this game is over and show you guys how awesome I am at finding scum.
I know it's a little obvious, but I feel good about Silver/Shadow/D_V/Vaimes. If RSJT is "locked" on Vaimes, I think that's a good place to start.
Thoughts Terry? what are you considering?
First of all, I will never send DV on a quest, so that solves that problem. I also re-confirm my re-confirmaion of Osi-scum who just told me to put a quest together of the people that I already said I'll put on a quest after he already put me on the scum team.
So something important that I checked with Iso, the voting works the same as Mafia, in that once that 6th vote is placed, votes are locked in, so questing parties can be hammered if we are not careful. Please be mindful of this, as it can cause some foolery for later quests.
1. Why are you phrasing it that way, "good news guys"? Who are you talking to?
2. What specifically convinced you I was town?
3. What was your read on me prior to that revelation?
4. Let's say you were in charge of the first quest, but with the information/content that we have in the thread now. You're picking me; who are the other two that go on the mission, and why?
Thanks.
1. Honestly it wasnt really intended to address any one in particular, just a bit of attitude/enthusiasm from me because I saw something in Osi posts that pushed him heavily into my scum reads and vaimes probably saw it to and pushed it a bit.
2. It was your line of Osi questions
3. I liked you, but this locked you in for now.
4. Probably mindreaver and shadow. I've made statements on why long before this.
So you think the person that has been yelling at the top of his lungs (me) that DV is scum is also scum?
At first I was relatively positive on you, but, in part based on other people's reads, and looking over your earlier posts myself, I'm inclined to think that the D_V scumread from you is a bus (or that one of you or D_V is Oberon, which makes the Percy claim more interesting). And heck, feel free to prove people wrong. If you nominate Shadow/Silver/Vaimes/+1 of my other townreads I'd vote yes. Similarly, if you nominate Rhand, I will vote no against the quest.
I mean, when it comes down to it, either:
1. You have a worse town game than I do. (Aww...)
2. You are scum and are knowingly or unknowingly bussing D_V. (I think you can see why this would seem the most likely.)
3. You are scum but are declaring a scumread on D_V without knowing D_V's alignment (Possible.)
4. You are the best player here. (Unlikely)
There are other options, but I'll have wait till I'm not phone posting to enlighten you in depth. You're post above also reinforced my recent declaration of vaimes-town osi-scum. BRB with more below
Give a top townread outside of the Q1 group and a little explanation as to why. Pretend the mod confirms that there is one mafia among four players: the Q1 group and your top townread.
Who is mafia and why?
That's quite the question. I'm going to dodge that exact exercise for reasons and rethink a similar exercise that may or may not change my vote: Reads on the first party and Rhand-suggested party.
So I liked Mindreaver's posts throughout as analytical without intentionally throwing information out there for scum or thinking nonrationally. I suppose in that vein, I can see why people scumread me, beyond strategic advantage for scum. His selection process made sense. I was relatively certain on the shadow townread from a tonal perspective. Silver was someone who I was trying to read well from the beginning, and my rather untrained instincts screamed scum to begin with, but looking over his posts, I came to see a lot of that same pattern as Mindreaver. D_V there was and still is a large split on. Throughout the first selection, D_V's posts were questionable, as mentioned by many. I would not be surprised if D_V is scum. That said, I also feel that way on Rhand, which I think most people disagree with me on. But Rhand has mostly been on the defensive since being scumread, and is one of the most active people with OMGUS on me, which I could certainly see being his way of trying to remove me from the picture. So that's the first quest and second selector.
Given that I have a scumread on Rhand, I'm already going into the second quest with a degree of doubt. Now, assuming my previous reads are right, then we have Silver (lean town) / D_V (likely scum) / Vaimes / Cantripmancer. Now, Cantrip is interesting. Cantrip in this page shows how great of a player he is with post 354. Either he is a really solid town player, or it's all a really good double act and he is an even more amazing scum player. But I'm leaning town on that one. Scum has more incentive not to vote No for a quest with themselves in it. So then it comes down to you. Most reads on you appear to be town. If you are town, then a single fail vote would mean D_V just acted up. If you are actually scum, a single fail vote is a nightmare for town, but difficult for scum to coordinate. Two fail votes point to D_V and you over D_V and Cantrip, I think, for the most part. Three or four fail votes is bad for scum.
Meanwhile, if we do the first three plus 1, assuming that my reads are right (Silver (lean town), Shadow (hardlean town), D_V (lean scum)):
1 fail points towards D_V or the new person, probably D_V.
2 fails point towards D_V and the new person, unless the new person is a harder lean town than Silver.
3 fails point towards everyone other than Shadow.
4 fails is bad for scum.
Now, I am the newest person to mafia here, so my reads are probably not as reliable as others who are more used to analyzing this particular style of game, not to mention the large number of scumreads on me. But I'd like to believe that I'm not completely wrong, even if I am still somewhat learning how to play.
Okay, all that out of the way, if Mindreaver, Cantrip, or myself was added to the first group, I'd be surprised if there were two fail votes, and I'd go with Silver and D_V both being scum (both playing it safe the first round because everyone is townreading Shadow). I firmly believe that three or more fail votes would not happen in either of those cases.
Proph mostly agrees with me. Hmm. If this is the town/scum list, it would not surprise me.
@cantrip: There is nothing wrong with saying I would like a bit more information before I give you my quest-reads. I got that info and provided. I don't see anything scummy about that, but I do see as scummy is laziness and that leads right into my case on DV...
@Rhand: OMGUS is a scum tell when part of a general non-chalant, lazy attitude towards scum hunting, which is precisely what DV has done this whole thread. If you don't see this you clearly need to go back and read DV. He's lazy about it because he knows the scum team already and has claimed not merlin who would be the one person besides scum that would.
Right now that's what I'm going with, but we have 6 days, which is way longer than I'll wait to stamp it official. BRB.
Here's who I'm putting on my quest group:
Prophylaxis
Rhand
Cantripmancer
AtheistGod
I'm sure we can discuss for now before Iso comes in and makes it official.
At least you weren't the first scum I outed this game, so you can be proud of that.
2. It was your line of Osi questions
3. I liked you, but this locked you in for now.
4. Probably mindreaver and shadow. I've made statements on why long before this.
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@Rhand: OMGUS is a scum tell when part of a general non-chalant, lazy attitude towards scum hunting, which is precisely what DV has done this whole thread. If you don't see this you clearly need to go back and read DV. He's lazy about it because he knows the scum team already and has claimed not merlin who would be the one person besides scum that would.