Wow. This is cute. Cc makes a very weak claim and now I’m being run up after the deadline? I’m mobile only today have a self resolving roll and the ability to keep axel honest besides that.
I mean, you can’t think that posting vague things like this is useful, can you! You say this like it’s obvious you should not be lynched as though everyone should know what you’re talking about.
Can you tell me why people are voting me? I just covered it but maybe I missed something
I’m literally hiding in the bathroom from my family to post this right now. There is no case on me. According to CC I’m second on his non-existent list. I’m just in the bottom tier of Silvers list for what? Come on man! I have no idea why ZDS has chosen to tunnel on me. And Vaimes? I have seriously never seen Vaimes play this bad.
Here’s the problem with CC’s claim. If it’s real and he’s town, think about the scenarios tomorrow that could happen. He’s roleblocked, his target is killed, his target is lying scum or he targets someone and they say “yeah he’s town” and people don’t believe or are made to distrust the target. Even if he targets the most town of townies (me duh) and they say yeah my dm said he’s town we go into a whole other set of circumstances, where that person needs to die to confirm that this wasn’t a scum ploy. I just don’t think this is a claim that will resolve itself as easily as some of you (suspiciously) think it will.
I’m running out of time to even get into how many ways scum CC can manipulate this claim but they all tie pretty closely to the town CC scenarios I listed above. I just don’t see this as a claim to change anyone’s mind on the lynch that was minutes away from happening.
Wow. This is cute. Cc makes a very weak claim and now I’m being run up after the deadline? I’m mobile only today have a self resolving roll and the ability to keep axel honest besides that. Is there a case on me? Didn’t think so. I could go into how many holes there in that claim or at the very least it’s ability to resolve in a believable manner, if I wasn’t mobile and had time but as most of you know am vla on weekends.
If I am lynched or die tonight (I have a higher chance than most) look back at the CC lynch save that just happened
Yo Terry, can you answer some questions I had from before:
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You're saying that drawing the distinction between Rodemy's roleplaying and Highroller's claim could be interpreted as forcing? You literally said that you thought it "seemed forced". Why are you now saying "it could be interpreted as forcing"? It could be me misunderstanding things but the fact that you're wording this from a third-party POV "it could be interpreted as forcing" doesn't make me feel good
Got it, re the posts you are agreeing with me on. Kind of a nitpicky question but why did you highlight specifically post 130? I reread that post and it was me bringing up Rodemy meta from 6 years ago, calling myself a ZDS stan, and then asking CC some questions. Don't specifically see what exactly in that post is so agreeable unless you liked my questions or something? (Or the "ignoring Rodemy because he's Rodemy", though I suppose that point is moot now that he is Amy)
Shoot I forgot to do this but I need sleep. Can we talk about this tomorrow?
Would be willing to lynch the following people today: ZDS, Proph, or Cayvie. (Sorry Cayvie, I know you just switched in, but your predecessor, Jackrito, did nothing but bandwagon all day.)
Someone needs to explain to me exactly why CropCircles is a better lynch candidate than the above, because the CropCircles wagon has been awful.
@Silver FYI, this is the kind of stance I expect from someone scumreading much of the CC wagon.
he's also like "this post of cc's feels townie" and from what i can see it's just a random paragraph that i can't make any particular alignment read off of.
The paragraph in question is the exact same paragraph CC self-quoted in his last post to accuse me. I don't know what to make of it but I can't help notice the coincidence.
Re: Above: Based on your analysis Vaimes is only scummy if CC is town and he's washing his hands off that wagon, so I think it's too early to follow that path without a CC flip. Moreover, even if CC flips town, Vaimes is the type who often can't be arsed as either alignment.
I do think he should answer the part about letting a town read die, but I don't have high expectations for a meaningful answer.
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@JoeTerry Correct the following sentence if I'm wrong: Your analysis of CC-Vaimes interactions came up inconclusive and your vote went to the individually scummier one, who happened to be CC, but you could still be swayed to vote Vaimes instead.
This feels like a trap, but I’ll bite. I found CC and Vaimes interactions to be jovial/friendly/unconcerned. That in itself doesn’t really say too much without a flip, but then I re-read CC’s catch up post and it was all waffles with notable absences of any commentary (besides literally saying “no comment”) on highroller and Vaimes and the exception tunnel on ZDS.
So I voted CC. I’m a bit tired of repeating myself. I think my posts are pretty easy to follow, so try harder?
Also, I ended up getting five wins in my sealed event with a what I thought was a pretty weak BW cleric build.
@Proph: I'll try to tonight. I'm looking forward to watching Jim Carrey play Joe Biden on SNL though. Maybe I can do both
Shoot I was wrong. October 3rd.
Ok, just went back and reread CC's recap posts. He didn't just omit Vaimes originally, he also omitted Highroller. Noted. He does have some interactions with Vaimes, but they don't bat a suspicious eye at all, mostly just "Hey Vaimes, what do you think about this?" kind of stuff.
Cross referencing with Vaimes ISO...
Vaimes declares Crop Circles a designated misyeet, despite several players calling CC a "Legend". Also doesn't feel like he needs to towncase CC at all. He does put some heat on Highroller early, but then shifts him decidedly to the town pool. Looking back at some Vaimes and Highroller exchanges, I don't think Highroller is on the same team as Vaimes because of the Bird confusion. Vaimes said "Since when is Bird a roll" apparently missing his claim, which I don't think happens if they are scum buddies.
Bah, I don't know. Vaimes ISO felt really light also. I will vote CC or Vaimes today. I'm going to go back through each of those players again and pick one.
@ZDS: I'm important. Trust me, I'm like the most important town person ever! Can you look me in the eyes and say that there is no reason for my interest in CC's lack of Vaimes discussion? Can you tell me that if it were you instead of me that it wouldn't be the slightest bit odd that he just ignored mentioning Vaimes at all? No matter how unimportant you think I am? You should know that I'm pretty full of myself from Voldemort, I'm just leaning into it more this game (and making Trump jokes at the same time).
Also, Strawman? Not really. Sarcasm (self pointed out even), precludes perceived Strawmanning. I was just taking a fun shot at you and your self identified tunneling by saying I was going to do avoid doing the same, which is funny because you are tunneled on me... get it?
I really appreciate cayvie making the effort to look up my and CC's posts in spite of his "random shot to see what happens, and then look at the aftermath later" self-meta and despite not understanding at first what the deal was about (@cayvie maybe you missed it by skimming, CC and I were tied at four votes each at one point; the three replacements in a row killed both our wagons). It shows his willingness to contribute and figure things out is higher than his desire to look consistent.
Also saintly poop it's helpimabug! I don't remember if we ever played together but I do remember you from reading really old games. This game is such a blast from the past!
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@Vaimes I definitely agree with letting Grape breathe. He's in my scum team because of team-building and POE, and this being Day 1 with no flips yet there are many ways I could be proven wrong or change my mind. On his own, he's solidly null.
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I don't have an opinion yet on WMU's posts since my last intervention (I'm waiting for her conclusions) but I do like the general vibe of inquisitiveness / figuring things out on her own she gives out.
@WMU FYI, on desktop you can hover over where it says "X hours ago" or "Y days ago" to see the exact time-stamp of a post.
Also FYI, Proph meant to tell you CC isn't scumhunting (etc.), rather than speak about you and say you aren't scumhunting (etc.).
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@JoeTerry
1) What do you think of CC's lack of reactions to (iirc) *any* of the votes on him besides mine?
2) When you say you are going to explore the Vaimes-CC interactions, do you do that from a starting point of scum-reading CC, town-reading CC or null-reading CC?
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Due to the recent townieness or I'm-okay-with-it-ness of various players, I don't have null reads anymore (except Grape who gets downgraded to scum by POE). Here's where I stand (in player list order):
Not all my town reads have the same strength. For example the Axel read is based on imperfect meta (I know his town game, I don't remember his scum game) and Proph could have pocketted me with his stanning. Nevertheless I can say with confidence that I do town-read the entire "Good" block, not merely not-scum-read them. Even silver. If I look past our differing beliefs he's pretty okay.
This means I'm either crazy good at this game or crazy easy to pocket. In order to figure that out, I will only vote CC or JoeTerry.
If either of them is town, I need to kick myself out of any tunnel or pocket I'm in and completely reconsider everything.
Im mobile only so can’t get into too many details, but I found this very interesting: The two players I was interested in voting after my recap were CC and Vaimes. Then shortly after CC makes a big catch up post that doesn’t even mention vaimes once. I don’t see how vaimes could just be completely omitted by someone (CC) doing a review especially because the person just voting you and like I said obviously baiting you pointed vaimes out as potential scum as well.
So I want to go back and look more carefully at their interactions because I’m wanting to make sure I’m not just tunneling, because you know only scum tunnel right? (Yes that’s a pointed and sarcastic remark aimed at you ZDS)
Here’s the problem with CC’s claim. If it’s real and he’s town, think about the scenarios tomorrow that could happen. He’s roleblocked, his target is killed, his target is lying scum or he targets someone and they say “yeah he’s town” and people don’t believe or are made to distrust the target. Even if he targets the most town of townies (me duh) and they say yeah my dm said he’s town we go into a whole other set of circumstances, where that person needs to die to confirm that this wasn’t a scum ploy. I just don’t think this is a claim that will resolve itself as easily as some of you (suspiciously) think it will.
I’m running out of time to even get into how many ways scum CC can manipulate this claim but they all tie pretty closely to the town CC scenarios I listed above. I just don’t see this as a claim to change anyone’s mind on the lynch that was minutes away from happening.
If I am lynched or die tonight (I have a higher chance than most) look back at the CC lynch save that just happened
So I voted CC. I’m a bit tired of repeating myself. I think my posts are pretty easy to follow, so try harder?
Also, I ended up getting five wins in my sealed event with a what I thought was a pretty weak BW cleric build.
I'm fine with this vote:
VOTE: CropCircles42
Change my mind Vaimes.
Ok, just went back and reread CC's recap posts. He didn't just omit Vaimes originally, he also omitted Highroller. Noted. He does have some interactions with Vaimes, but they don't bat a suspicious eye at all, mostly just "Hey Vaimes, what do you think about this?" kind of stuff.
Cross referencing with Vaimes ISO...
Vaimes declares Crop Circles a designated misyeet, despite several players calling CC a "Legend". Also doesn't feel like he needs to towncase CC at all. He does put some heat on Highroller early, but then shifts him decidedly to the town pool. Looking back at some Vaimes and Highroller exchanges, I don't think Highroller is on the same team as Vaimes because of the Bird confusion. Vaimes said "Since when is Bird a roll" apparently missing his claim, which I don't think happens if they are scum buddies.
Bah, I don't know. Vaimes ISO felt really light also. I will vote CC or Vaimes today. I'm going to go back through each of those players again and pick one.
Also, Strawman? Not really. Sarcasm (self pointed out even), precludes perceived Strawmanning. I was just taking a fun shot at you and your self identified tunneling by saying I was going to do avoid doing the same, which is funny because you are tunneled on me... get it?
So I want to go back and look more carefully at their interactions because I’m wanting to make sure I’m not just tunneling, because you know only scum tunnel right? (Yes that’s a pointed and sarcastic remark aimed at you ZDS)