Marsh Flats seems to be one of the more affordable dual lands so If I can get something that performs I could definitely invest in them.
What deck should I build? My first thought was Eldrazi and Taxes but that would be pretty expensive and the cards might be a bit difficult to get. What I'm looking for is something controlly with Oblivion Ring and Vindicates and I also have 4 fatal push so I do have some money cards. I think I want to play something like a tempo deck, solid creatures, protect them with combat tricks and remove threats. I flirted with the idea of a heavy control Twilight Prophet / Vampire tokens deck that tries to get to city's blessing and then just grind them down with card advantage and sapping life, Prophet is expensive though but I already have two.
I really want to play with Vindicate I love orzhov and I would love a chance to play with, what I think, is the best B/W card ever printed.
What about a Vampire Tribal deck? Is there a viable one in modern? I played Ixalan Vampires and it was one of my best performing standard decks I've ever made.
I don't need deck lists, just tell me about the archetypes and I'll look them up.
So I lost/had stolen my living end deck and I want to get back into modern. I looked at the lands I have and what I could build and the only Shocks I have a playset of are Godless Shrine and I also have a playset of Isolated Chapel so If I'm diving back in I think Black/White is my best bet. And I want to make something interesting and not spend 500$ to play FNM so here's what I got. Is there something here?
So the basic idea of the deck is play a shadow creature, mutate him to a 3/3 or bigger, and then protect him and chip away with a, basically, unblockable creature as I control the board with B/W removal spells and continue mutating to get bonuses. The idea is to have a B/W control suite and my an unblockable and protect it with whatever B/W can have against the meta. So my sideboard would kind of need to be swiss army
Tron- Vindicate and Break the Ice and just choke them off their lands
Control- More protective spells that make my creatures indestructible/Hexproof
Storm- More hand destruction and some graveyard hat eI put Thoughtsieze in the deck list, but this is budget so I would need replacements for that, if this deck works I would invest so I was thinking Duress
Burn- A good white life gain card, maybe Majestic Auricorn because its on theme, but I think there's a better solution to gain a little life or maybe an enchantment that prevents damage
Humans- Up the creature destruction with kill spells and maybe Zagoth Mamba to keep on theme
I figure between Vindicate and O-ring by turn 3 I can pretty much disrupt any permanent on the battlefield. But I'm really worried about control, this is a one creature deck, put one creature out and build him up protect him and swing in for unblockable every turn.
What about Giver of Runes I love that card and since I have a one creature strategy and I want to focus on protecting it would that have a place in the deck
Do I need more mana, what should I cut, maybe 1 copy of Necropanther, and put the outlyer in the sideboard to get another shadow creature out.
Can this work, I'm just trying to perform at FNM, Pioneer and Standard don't fire so Modern is pretty much the only game in my town
Giant Killer has been a great addition, but I'm still getting killed in platinum, Mono red just shocks any of my threats before I can pump them, and Simic plays golos and gets insane, but every game I'm at like 40 life before they turn the tide against me, how do I take advantage of this?
The basic idea of the deck is take healers hawk or beloved priness and pump them up and they can't be blocked and then we lifelink into oblivion. The whole deck is about giving those two protection and counters. I've noticed even in games I lose I have a ton of life before the tide overtakes me and I get into a losing position. Is there another color I should add? Are there white cards I'm missing?
I already own Check, Shock, and fast lands in BW but my ixalan vampires standard deck was a lot of fun. What can I put into the standard BW vampire deck to really make it sing. unfortunately it looks like white vampire support is only in ixalan so what else can I do? worth it to go three colors for red? maybe blue?
Pretty straight forward deck, make Gingerbrute unblockable and pump him, kill threats, bonecrusher and rimrock for additional pressure mid-game, and close out with embercleave or questing beast (NOTE: As they are crazy expensive I am subbing questing beast with Frenzied Arynx currently)
"I don't know what it's called, I just know the sound it makes when it takes a man's life"
- Four leaves, tropic thunder
So We haven't seen much, but here's my theory on Goldilocks (The girl and the three bears storybook card) you activate it, and kill 3 non-humans and she gets huge. Killing is not typical for green...BUT very high mana cost, and flavor feeds it.
Shes uncommon, which I'm a little disappointed about because that means shes probably not good enough to center your deck on her. But it seems that the "Page Turn" mechanic may be very mana intensive.
I really want to play whatever this card is, so I want to play green ramp, but I also want to be competitive against the 20/20 Guilds/Allegiance/Spark meta so I need to pick another color that can combat it. I'm thinking white or black. A green ramp focused strategy with a secondary color to face the meta? what do you guys think?
I just, I play something good, they counter it, I have something good going, they kill it, how do you beat control. My meta (Area meta, multiple LGS's) is so freaking heavy in control, I can't side for the control match, I have to main deck for the control match if I want results, How do I beat Control.
I'm an aggro player, and I'm pretty good. Against any other aggro deck I destroy them, but control, sometimes I get a good hit in and win, but control is so hard to play against. I mean, how do you find the right cards to play when they literally say "No you can't play that" and I don't want to play nothing but control mirrors. I always include indestructible and hex proof trick spells in my deck to try and help me, but it's just not enough. I'm getting to the point where I want to build around the goal of being able to beat control, I just need some tips before I try to brew something up.
I play a very heavy focus on Land Destruction, I'm thinking of replacing demonic dread with Throes of Chaos ill either hit LE or beast within or fulmination mage and push them back a turn, and I have another chance to trigger in my back pocket. I'm playing a modern event in two weeks and want to know if 1. is this a good idea, and 2. what non-land cards do i need to buy to get ready for the post-horizons meta
I started building around Feather with combat tricks, and came across the combo of feather and seismic shift, reoccurring land destruction every turn, seems pretty legit. Still working out the sideboard and was thinking some of the uncommon planes walkers with good passive abilities and more or less removal/card draw depending on what my match up is. Also some of the life gain combat tricks because I think mono red is going to be a real player in this meta. Is this combo feasible?
So the basic idea of this deck is an control deck disguised as a aggro deck. It focuses on death-touching everything the opponent has and then winning by your afterlife flyers or Ill-Gotten Inheritance Here's my rough draft first thought
So that's 38, I have all the dual lands I could need, so I can do whatever I want to figure out the manabase later.
Lots of low cost afterlifers to trade or death touch, and to Fuel Pitiless Pontiff to death touch multiple guys. Lots of two for ones to gain advantage. I have a wipe that can give me some one ones and life gain. Teysa can multiply afterlifers and give them lifelink/vigilance to keep me alive for bigger guys, Ill Gotten Inheritance can be a constant drain on someone with a big finisher. I have lots of life link and control so I think I can get to high mana and cast something ridiculous like Knight of last breath, who gives me 3 power in the air if he dies and can create other flyers if I need too. Basilica Bell-haunt keeps pressure on and gets a free hit but I could probably reduce him. Teysa gives my spirits vigilance and lifelink letting me stall out more until I get a bomb. I feel like I need a win con in this deck, Kinght of last breath is ok, but I think I need something bigger. Ill gotten inheritance was what got me to start thinking of this deck, but honestly it feels like it's kind of clunky, i mean...has someone ever won a pro-tour off a common, so maybe I can keep the idea of the deck and replace ill-gotten with s
ome disgusting bomb.
I feel like this concept can have enough control for aggro, and enough advantage for control. I think this could be really fun.
If I was going to put money into this deck would probably replace Marty or dusk with Tithe Taker
Some other cards im interested in are Hired Poisoner to get a 1 cmc guy ,but I may be wrong, I usually play very aggressive and it feels weird not having a turn one play Kaya, Orzhov UsurperBecause you got to have a plansewalker, hates graveyards, gains life, kills llanowar eleves, and an easy ultimate to get to do at least four damage Isareth the awakener maybe replace revival with that, but then I'll lose a turn and the option to cut the opponents life and double mine Ministrant of Obligation it has afterlife 2 for 3 mana, I feel like theres something here, but I'm probably wrong Necrotic Wound I'm going to be trading and sacking guys so I might have enough bodies in the yard to make this relevant Hunted Witness Has "Afterlife" and can gain me life and 1cmc (Again, I would like some turn one guys) Doomed Dissenter Has Afterlife that makes a 2/2, not much other then that Ajani, Adversary of tyrants Can protect himself by bringing back and afterlifer, can pump my spirits, possibilites? Mentor of the Meek most of my creature base is under 2 + afterlife, get cards, is that worth a spot on the team? Remorseful cleric possible sideboard for control to be used in tangent with Kaya Kitesail Freebooter Just a solid card, could use against control, I think Kaya is the vs Control win condition (I have a lot of control in my meta) Vraska's Contempt Just a solid all purpose removal with life gain, but I think Mortify is better for cost and budget reasons Sphinx of the Guildpact Possible finisher
So that's what I'm working on right now, any tips?
I haven't been playing lately, what's the meta like? I didn't think about goblin chainwhirler while i was doing this, is that going to be a problem?
I'm new to commander, i have a mono red deck, i've seen some decks that have crazy commander decks that swing 20+ commander damage pretty early and i want to be able to get around those, and i want to be able to survive long enough to play all those crazy red cards like goblin gamewarp world and scrambleverse and really mess up the board, i like slivers so i have 1 of every red and white sliver, but i feel like the curve could use some work, so what are some good red and white cards that i could play on curve and get to the 7-8 mana that's needed to play those, i've thought about red rituals to ramp up to get at least one of those cards off a little earlier this deck is not made to win, its made to screw the board up as much as possible and really play politics and white has some good low cost politic cards too, so what is a good white/red shell that i could put the crazy red and white cards in. I just need to survive long enough to start playing the high cost, totally mess up the game cards
right now I'm looking at tajic, blade of the legion to be my commander any tips? i have the high cost cards i want, but i need a low curve that can play very defensively block flying commanders, and let me start randomizing the game so much i MIGHT come out on top. I really want to stick to having the slivers because if i warp world and get a bunch of slivers that could be really devastating looking for a deck that could win, or change the game at least if i dont i change the game, and i plan on having gamble so if i see the opportunity to screw up the board with something i take it
I neglected Forsaken Chapel because an aggro deck just can't work on a tap land, but i might be wrong, the win conditions seem to be black, while the better early game seems to whtie (I'm thinking of switching Gifted with Adanto Vangaurd) But i feel that's too man white two drops, but aetherbrone is BB so that makes it more complicated
I bumped to three legions landing and 3 duskborne Skymarcher iknstead of 2/4 i had before, landing can cause ascension easier giving you 2 permanents for 1 but skymarcher triggers Mavren better then Skymarcher Aspirant The problem here is twilight prophet I'm running one, but i have 2, is she good enough? Good toughness, flying, could potentaly drain 3 life 1/4 times by that point in the game and gives you a bonus card, would be good in grindy matches
Martyr of dusk he replaces himself, 2 power, good for ascend to trigger twilight prophet, should I split him with Vangaurd to get that 3 power aggro that i can pay life to keep alive so good for devotion and the hopefully game winning swing with sanctum seeker Liking having ascend doesn't have to totally depend on prophet, it can help seeker, which i belive is the main win condition of this deck
Dusk Legion Zelot I've heard mixed opinions about this guy, but i think he's ok, running 1 unless someone can make the case that he is a 4 of
Legion Lieutenant I'm going to try a 4 of him first, he seems really good, good for when you have to go wide, better than Metallic mimic in my opinion because you can drop him on turn 4 and get 3 extra power, he's not restricted to being only really good as a two drop
Gifted Aetherborne Definitely wanted to keep him, this guy changes the board 50% of the time his BB is a little restrictive but he's really good.
Queens Commission I perfer this to Call to the feast because i can turn 3 this into sanctum seeker, attack with a potentially 3/2, and three 2/2's and drain for 4
Front Runner of the Legioni debated this guy alot but, imm thinking I could grab my close be him Seeker, Bishop or Twilight whichever would win me the game, what do you think
Sanctum Seeker if you don't get wiped, a rarity on turn 4, but you could drain so much with this guy he seems to be the best win condition so I really want to put him at 4 i'm just having trouble finding a store with one but people have told me that you don't need 4 of a card you could draw into too soon
Twilight Prophet i own 2, is this a card you have to build around, buy 4 of, i opened one at pre release and it just got killed immediately but i feel like blessing can be easy to get with this deck
1 Cast Out I perfer flash to ixalan, because this deck has such a fast clock maybe that one extra turn could let you get though
1 bishop of the bloodstained The biggest drop in the deck, I feel like he's the one I have to explain most, I pulled out Vona, Butcher of Magan because she just dies to glorybringer but with bannings could that be less popular? The deck is very heavy aggro so there could be situations where you just resolve him and win with the 3 drain just casting him near the end of the game could get you, and with the ability to both pull him, and pump him, by casting Forerunnner of the legion Puts him as the single 5 drop in my deck
I don't really have a sideboard yet, my meta is heavy in control and I only beat it with Duresss so I wan to run 4 of those
I also have 2 whole playsets of both the black and white pain desert Shefet Dunes to go wide and gain a ton of life and Ifnir Deadlands to remove chumps for the big swing, you have some pretty good life gain in this deck so the pain is minimal, so why not run 4 of each
So that's what i'm running right now, haven't tested it but would like some pointers
Marsh Flats seems to be one of the more affordable dual lands so If I can get something that performs I could definitely invest in them.
What deck should I build? My first thought was Eldrazi and Taxes but that would be pretty expensive and the cards might be a bit difficult to get. What I'm looking for is something controlly with Oblivion Ring and Vindicates and I also have 4 fatal push so I do have some money cards. I think I want to play something like a tempo deck, solid creatures, protect them with combat tricks and remove threats. I flirted with the idea of a heavy control Twilight Prophet / Vampire tokens deck that tries to get to city's blessing and then just grind them down with card advantage and sapping life, Prophet is expensive though but I already have two.
I really want to play with Vindicate I love orzhov and I would love a chance to play with, what I think, is the best B/W card ever printed.
What about a Vampire Tribal deck? Is there a viable one in modern? I played Ixalan Vampires and it was one of my best performing standard decks I've ever made.
I don't need deck lists, just tell me about the archetypes and I'll look them up.
So the basic idea of the deck is play a shadow creature, mutate him to a 3/3 or bigger, and then protect him and chip away with a, basically, unblockable creature as I control the board with B/W removal spells and continue mutating to get bonuses. The idea is to have a B/W control suite and my an unblockable and protect it with whatever B/W can have against the meta. So my sideboard would kind of need to be swiss army
Tron- Vindicate and Break the Ice and just choke them off their lands
Control- More protective spells that make my creatures indestructible/Hexproof
Storm- More hand destruction and some graveyard hat eI put Thoughtsieze in the deck list, but this is budget so I would need replacements for that, if this deck works I would invest so I was thinking Duress
Burn- A good white life gain card, maybe Majestic Auricorn because its on theme, but I think there's a better solution to gain a little life or maybe an enchantment that prevents damage
Humans- Up the creature destruction with kill spells and maybe Zagoth Mamba to keep on theme
I figure between Vindicate and O-ring by turn 3 I can pretty much disrupt any permanent on the battlefield. But I'm really worried about control, this is a one creature deck, put one creature out and build him up protect him and swing in for unblockable every turn.
What about Giver of Runes I love that card and since I have a one creature strategy and I want to focus on protecting it would that have a place in the deck
Do I need more mana, what should I cut, maybe 1 copy of Necropanther, and put the outlyer in the sideboard to get another shadow creature out.
Can this work, I'm just trying to perform at FNM, Pioneer and Standard don't fire so Modern is pretty much the only game in my town
The basic idea of the deck is take healers hawk or beloved priness and pump them up and they can't be blocked and then we lifelink into oblivion. The whole deck is about giving those two protection and counters. I've noticed even in games I lose I have a ton of life before the tide overtakes me and I get into a losing position. Is there another color I should add? Are there white cards I'm missing?
Pretty straight forward deck, make Gingerbrute unblockable and pump him, kill threats, bonecrusher and rimrock for additional pressure mid-game, and close out with embercleave or questing beast (NOTE: As they are crazy expensive I am subbing questing beast with Frenzied Arynx currently)
Could use some tips for sideboard, thanks
- Four leaves, tropic thunder
So We haven't seen much, but here's my theory on Goldilocks (The girl and the three bears storybook card) you activate it, and kill 3 non-humans and she gets huge. Killing is not typical for green...BUT very high mana cost, and flavor feeds it.
Shes uncommon, which I'm a little disappointed about because that means shes probably not good enough to center your deck on her. But it seems that the "Page Turn" mechanic may be very mana intensive.
I really want to play whatever this card is, so I want to play green ramp, but I also want to be competitive against the 20/20 Guilds/Allegiance/Spark meta so I need to pick another color that can combat it. I'm thinking white or black. A green ramp focused strategy with a secondary color to face the meta? what do you guys think?
I just, I play something good, they counter it, I have something good going, they kill it, how do you beat control. My meta (Area meta, multiple LGS's) is so freaking heavy in control, I can't side for the control match, I have to main deck for the control match if I want results, How do I beat Control.
I'm an aggro player, and I'm pretty good. Against any other aggro deck I destroy them, but control, sometimes I get a good hit in and win, but control is so hard to play against. I mean, how do you find the right cards to play when they literally say "No you can't play that" and I don't want to play nothing but control mirrors. I always include indestructible and hex proof trick spells in my deck to try and help me, but it's just not enough. I'm getting to the point where I want to build around the goal of being able to beat control, I just need some tips before I try to brew something up.
Jeskai is VERY interesting and with a mana base this good why not play three colors will probably drop more money in if I like how the deck feels
I started building around Feather with combat tricks, and came across the combo of feather and seismic shift, reoccurring land destruction every turn, seems pretty legit. Still working out the sideboard and was thinking some of the uncommon planes walkers with good passive abilities and more or less removal/card draw depending on what my match up is. Also some of the life gain combat tricks because I think mono red is going to be a real player in this meta. Is this combo feasible?
4 Martyr of dusk
4 Imperious Oligarch
4 Pitiless Pontiff
2 Ravenous Chupacabra
3 Basilica Bell-Haunt
1 Syndicate Guildmage
2 Teysa Karlov
1 Knight of the Last Breath
3 Mortify
2 Revival //Revenge
2 Kaya's wrath
2 Ill-gotten Inheritance
So that's 38, I have all the dual lands I could need, so I can do whatever I want to figure out the manabase later.
Lots of low cost afterlifers to trade or death touch, and to Fuel Pitiless Pontiff to death touch multiple guys. Lots of two for ones to gain advantage. I have a wipe that can give me some one ones and life gain. Teysa can multiply afterlifers and give them lifelink/vigilance to keep me alive for bigger guys, Ill Gotten Inheritance can be a constant drain on someone with a big finisher. I have lots of life link and control so I think I can get to high mana and cast something ridiculous like Knight of last breath, who gives me 3 power in the air if he dies and can create other flyers if I need too. Basilica Bell-haunt keeps pressure on and gets a free hit but I could probably reduce him. Teysa gives my spirits vigilance and lifelink letting me stall out more until I get a bomb. I feel like I need a win con in this deck, Kinght of last breath is ok, but I think I need something bigger. Ill gotten inheritance was what got me to start thinking of this deck, but honestly it feels like it's kind of clunky, i mean...has someone ever won a pro-tour off a common, so maybe I can keep the idea of the deck and replace ill-gotten with s
ome disgusting bomb.
I feel like this concept can have enough control for aggro, and enough advantage for control. I think this could be really fun.
If I was going to put money into this deck would probably replace Marty or dusk with Tithe Taker
Some other cards im interested in are
Hired Poisoner to get a 1 cmc guy ,but I may be wrong, I usually play very aggressive and it feels weird not having a turn one play
Kaya, Orzhov UsurperBecause you got to have a plansewalker, hates graveyards, gains life, kills llanowar eleves, and an easy ultimate to get to do at least four damage
Isareth the awakener maybe replace revival with that, but then I'll lose a turn and the option to cut the opponents life and double mine
Ministrant of Obligation it has afterlife 2 for 3 mana, I feel like theres something here, but I'm probably wrong
Necrotic Wound I'm going to be trading and sacking guys so I might have enough bodies in the yard to make this relevant
Hunted Witness Has "Afterlife" and can gain me life and 1cmc (Again, I would like some turn one guys)
Doomed Dissenter Has Afterlife that makes a 2/2, not much other then that
Ajani, Adversary of tyrants Can protect himself by bringing back and afterlifer, can pump my spirits, possibilites?
Mentor of the Meek most of my creature base is under 2 + afterlife, get cards, is that worth a spot on the team?
Remorseful cleric possible sideboard for control to be used in tangent with Kaya
Kitesail Freebooter Just a solid card, could use against control, I think Kaya is the vs Control win condition (I have a lot of control in my meta)
Vraska's Contempt Just a solid all purpose removal with life gain, but I think Mortify is better for cost and budget reasons
Sphinx of the Guildpact Possible finisher
So that's what I'm working on right now, any tips?
I haven't been playing lately, what's the meta like? I didn't think about goblin chainwhirler while i was doing this, is that going to be a problem?
right now I'm looking at tajic, blade of the legion to be my commander any tips? i have the high cost cards i want, but i need a low curve that can play very defensively block flying commanders, and let me start randomizing the game so much i MIGHT come out on top. I really want to stick to having the slivers because if i warp world and get a bunch of slivers that could be really devastating looking for a deck that could win, or change the game at least if i dont i change the game, and i plan on having gamble so if i see the opportunity to screw up the board with something i take it
I need alot of help with the white part, i have axis of mortality and alliance of arms alms collector arbiter of knowledge archangel of strife balance balancing act benevolent offering,there seems to be a white concurrence in sacraficing all but one of something, but that hurts the sliver strategy, should i drop slivers?
I want to stay alive long enough to start doing insane tricks, any tips for a deck like this?
I neglected Forsaken Chapel because an aggro deck just can't work on a tap land, but i might be wrong, the win conditions seem to be black, while the better early game seems to whtie (I'm thinking of switching Gifted with Adanto Vangaurd) But i feel that's too man white two drops, but aetherbrone is BB so that makes it more complicated
I bumped to three legions landing and 3 duskborne Skymarcher iknstead of 2/4 i had before, landing can cause ascension easier giving you 2 permanents for 1 but skymarcher triggers Mavren better then Skymarcher Aspirant The problem here is twilight prophet I'm running one, but i have 2, is she good enough? Good toughness, flying, could potentaly drain 3 life 1/4 times by that point in the game and gives you a bonus card, would be good in grindy matches
Martyr of dusk he replaces himself, 2 power, good for ascend to trigger twilight prophet, should I split him with Vangaurd to get that 3 power aggro that i can pay life to keep alive so good for devotion and the hopefully game winning swing with sanctum seeker Liking having ascend doesn't have to totally depend on prophet, it can help seeker, which i belive is the main win condition of this deck
Dusk Legion Zelot I've heard mixed opinions about this guy, but i think he's ok, running 1 unless someone can make the case that he is a 4 of
Legion Lieutenant I'm going to try a 4 of him first, he seems really good, good for when you have to go wide, better than Metallic mimic in my opinion because you can drop him on turn 4 and get 3 extra power, he's not restricted to being only really good as a two drop
Gifted Aetherborne Definitely wanted to keep him, this guy changes the board 50% of the time his BB is a little restrictive but he's really good.
Mavren Fien, Dusk Apostle Triggers mainly off the Duskborne Skymarcher but can help board stalls, giving you an extra guy
Queens Commission I perfer this to Call to the feast because i can turn 3 this into sanctum seeker, attack with a potentially 3/2, and three 2/2's and drain for 4
Front Runner of the Legioni debated this guy alot but, imm thinking I could grab my close be him Seeker, Bishop or Twilight whichever would win me the game, what do you think
Sanctum Seeker if you don't get wiped, a rarity on turn 4, but you could drain so much with this guy he seems to be the best win condition so I really want to put him at 4 i'm just having trouble finding a store with one but people have told me that you don't need 4 of a card you could draw into too soon
Twilight Prophet i own 2, is this a card you have to build around, buy 4 of, i opened one at pre release and it just got killed immediately but i feel like blessing can be easy to get with this deck
1 Cast Out I perfer flash to ixalan, because this deck has such a fast clock maybe that one extra turn could let you get though
1 bishop of the bloodstained The biggest drop in the deck, I feel like he's the one I have to explain most, I pulled out Vona, Butcher of Magan because she just dies to glorybringer but with bannings could that be less popular? The deck is very heavy aggro so there could be situations where you just resolve him and win with the 3 drain just casting him near the end of the game could get you, and with the ability to both pull him, and pump him, by casting Forerunnner of the legion Puts him as the single 5 drop in my deck
I don't really have a sideboard yet, my meta is heavy in control and I only beat it with Duresss so I wan to run 4 of those
I also have 2 whole playsets of both the black and white pain desert Shefet Dunes to go wide and gain a ton of life and Ifnir Deadlands to remove chumps for the big swing, you have some pretty good life gain in this deck so the pain is minimal, so why not run 4 of each
So that's what i'm running right now, haven't tested it but would like some pointers