Quote from doc.brown »yeah I'd like to get on there but stupid time difference would make it highly unlikely for me to be online at the same time as you guys (i'm in Australia)
Quote from herkamurjones »I like both, but prefer short, 1 match videos. You can always put all 5 matches of a league in a playlist but much easier to digest in shorter 20-45 min videos.
Edit: I appreciate both sides of the Dictate/As Foretold debate. They are two different types/styles of deck though. Is there a hybrid lurking somewhere in there? I believe so, but not sure exactly what/where it is.
I do want to try both versions and try to land on a single "hybrid" that has JtMS, Search, As Foretold, Dictate, "the usual suspects" and probably AV.
I'm also thinking that with Jace, we probably want to prioritize Gigadrowse and Remand because the line could be (worst case on the draw):
T1: island, go
T2: island, go, on your upkeep giga your two lands
T3: island, either exhaustion or go
T4: land, Jace, maybe set up miracle
T5: miracle, land, dictate or as foretold or go..
You can probably see where I'm getting at, and it may have been mentioned in one of the 50+ comments since THE GREAT UNBANNING announcement, but we want 4x Gigadrowse in one style of the new deck.
Quote from herkamurjones »
Edit2: Just browsing MTGGoldfish and came upon a 5-0 deck list piloted by Klump (not sure if we've been graced with their presence in here yet). Here's the list:
Klump 5-0 MTGO League Mono-U TurnsMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
2x Snapcaster Mage4x Jace, the Mind Sculptor2x Gigadrowse4x Serum Visions3x Remand2x Exhaustion2x Cryptic Command4x Time Warp2x Part the Waterveil1x Walk the Aeons4x Temporal Mastery3x Howling Mine4x Dictate of Kruphix19x Island1x Minamo, School at Water's Edge1x Oboro, Palace in the Clouds2x Radiant FountainSideboard3x Dispel1x Gigadrowse4x Dragon's Claw1x Negate1x Remand1x Spreading Seas3x Sun Droplet1x Laboratory Maniac
They were clearly hedging against a burn meta and not affinity. Also probably expected something like choke or boil with the 2 different non-basic U sources. I feel like we will be seeing more of those hate cards along with Guttural Response
Quote from necrosed »A bit too long, a one hour video of me on the receiving end of two losses against Eldrazi Taxes and UR Prowess:
As Foretold Turns Experience.
Quote from necrosed »And yes, I have an annoying voice. But hey, it's there. I'll play some more and thing I'll record a league of something.
Quote from herkamurjones »3b. BBE is going to be pretty solid against us. Seeing more K-Commands will likely make me drop Howling Mine entirely now. It still makes us discard a card and probably shocks us (since we've been unlikely to get a creature in their yard.)
Quote from herkamurjones »Also, about the number of Jace. Probably looking to run 2-3 in the turns deck. He does not replace Dictate, maybe Mine/Search (although I'm high on Search right now because of the "ramp" nature of the card). I really want 4 Opt now, to increase the chance to miracle on their turn. Are we still looking to splash for removal/disruption (B) or good sideboard cards (W)? Seems like the "Jace" version wants to be mono-U so we can maximize on Gigadrowse.
Quote from herkamurjones »Quote from necrosed »I think with Jaces you will want to up the fetchland count to at least 6 and up the Temporal Mastery to 4, @timewalkinonsunshine. And what are all our thoughts on dropping the number of non-basic lands to minimize the targets for Field of Ruin? Seems like we don't want to get our perfectly placed top deck shuffled away because we have a valid target. Just sayin..
Quote from necrosed »I think with Jaces you will want to up the fetchland count to at least 6 and up the Temporal Mastery to 4, @timewalkinonsunshine.
Quote from herkamurjones »ALSO: so much for having an all foiled out deck! At least until the M25 copies come way down in price. The Eternal Masters versions were $115-$120 yesterday, and I missed the boat by minutes this morning. Would probably pay that again for a foil..I know, unlikely now.
Quote from timewalkinonsunshine »Wow. Just got home from Toronto and now there's a Jace unban. What a weekend!
Here's my round 12 game 3 against Jon Stern on Burn. I think misplayed my land on turn 3, I don't remember exactly why I played the Drowned Catacomb over Sunken Hollow.
Here's what I was playing at GP Toronto:
DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards
Mine Effects3x Howling Mine4x Dictate of KruphixTime Walks4x Time Warp3x Temporal Mastery3x Part the WaterveilOther Spells4x Serum Visions4x Gigadrowse3x Fatal Push1x Collective Brutality2x Snapcaster Mage3x Exhaustion2x Cryptic Comand1x CommandeerLands1x Scalding Tarn1x Misty Rainforest1x Polluted Delta1x Flooded Strand8x Island1x Snow-Covered Island1x Watery Grave2x Sunken Hollow3x Drowned Catacomb1x Temple of Deceit1x Mikokoro, Center of the Sea2x Gemstone CavernsSideboard2x Thoughtsieze1x Collective Brutality3x Chalice of the Void2x Engineered Explosives1x Commandeer2x Hurkyl's Recall1x Tasigur, the Golden Fang2x Thing in the Ice
Post unban, I'm going to start out by trying -1 Howling Mine, -1 Part the Waterveil, +2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor and see how that plays. With this build, I think it's somewhat realistic that Jace could be protected enough with Push/Brutality/Snapcaster/-1. While I understand that he won't always stick around when you slam him on turn 4, he's definitely powerful enough that he's worth it the times he does stick around. My gut instinct says that 2 or 3 Mind Sculptors is probably sweet spot, because it's you don't want too many 4-mana sorcery speed cards clogging up your hand, and we already have a bunch of those at 5+ mana.
Quote from Luthier86 »This is HUGE news for Turns.
What y'all aren't talking about is that whether or not we even use Jace, the meta is going to shift wayyy towards blue midrange and control. We're the combo deck with 4 Gigadrowse. It's finally a reason to play Turns over Storm or Ad Nauseam.
Quote from jfuite »Turns might benefit from Jace being present in the deck of others: them tapping out on turn four.
Quote from herkamurjones »well then.. big daddy JtMS is free at last. Do we want this? thinking yes, but unsure completely.
Quote from 1Rey »Quote from purklefluff »Oh and I think meddling mage is a serious consideration for this deck in the sideboard.
Beats ad naus, storm and a few others.
You could just play Runed Halo instead.
Quote from purklefluff »Oh and I think meddling mage is a serious consideration for this deck in the sideboard.
Beats ad naus, storm and a few others.
Quote from zdarketethemighty »Bedankt mindful that in a control match up
Quote from Volttikoira »Quote from Rotanimod12 »One thing I did think about the UW version. I've seen some lists playing Riot Control which seems pretty cool, just wondered if anyone had tried out Repel the abominable as a 2 mana alternative that does nearly the same thing (there are a few humans like blighted agent (sadly) but being one mana less could make a difference. And hey our snapcasters still get to deal damage (though this is obviously NOT the main appeal)). Any thoughts on this?Nice find! There are enough corner cases where Repel is just strictly worse though (Swiftspear, Delver, Thalia, Snapcaster and of course the whole Humans deck) that I'd rather stick with Riot Control for now
Is Storm the worst matchup for us at the moment? Sure seems like it. After fixing my matchups agains DS and Burn with some white sideboard tech I realised I still can't do jack against Baral and co.
Quote from Rotanimod12 »One thing I did think about the UW version. I've seen some lists playing Riot Control which seems pretty cool, just wondered if anyone had tried out Repel the abominable as a 2 mana alternative that does nearly the same thing (there are a few humans like blighted agent (sadly) but being one mana less could make a difference. And hey our snapcasters still get to deal damage (though this is obviously NOT the main appeal)). Any thoughts on this?
Quote from Wes0SPECTRALself »can some one please direct me to the page with sideboard explanations.
so many things im not sure about.
for example whats thing in the ice for