Why has Summoner's Pact fallen out of favor? I never see it being used in any decklists, but it feels like it offers a significant cost reduction over Chord of Calling. For example, let's say you want to tutor up Ezuri, Renegade Leader. With Chord, you're paying 6 mana to put it on the battlefield or tapping down your potential attackers. With Pact, you're paying 0 mana to put it into your hand and then 3 mana to put it on the field, which means you have three more mana that can be used to pump Ezuri's ability.
Of course, Pact can't pull non-green creatures such as Vizier of Remedies or Burrenton Forge-Tender, which means it might be a sub-optimal choice in those decks. But if you don't have any non-green creatures, then the only advantage I can see Chord having is that it offers flash. But how often do you really need to flash in a creature on defense anyway? Is that ability worth the three mana trade-off?
Am I missing anything else? The differences that I can see (correct me if I'm wrong):
Generally costs three mana less than Chord of Calling
Can't pull non-green creatures (Vizier of Remedies, etc.)
Can't flash in creatures without flash
My thinking is that if you're running a card base where your win cons are all green, then I think Summoner's Pact makes more sense, but I never see anyone running them. If you have white win cons, then going at least halfsies on Chord may be the better choice.
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Apr 24, 2018 Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
Apr 16, 2018Played B/G Elves at a Modern tourney last Wednesday, went 3-1 into top-4 where I lost to Spirits in round 1 (because I'm an idiot, as you'll see). My deck was far from complete/optimized; the land base was trash and the sideboard was thrown together at the last minute. Nonetheless, I was happy with it, and it was good to see all the other players at the store freaking out about seeing it because it's so explosive.Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
I lost to Bogles 2-0 round 1. He got Daybreak Coronet out both games and I never drew an answer, so even though I was swinging for 30+, his lifegain/vigilance (along with unblockable) was too much to overcome. I'll be adding Devour Flesh to the sideboard next time.
Round 2 I fought against a token deck that I made quick relatively work of (2-0). They simply don't have enough oomph to outduel the elves. It was at this point, though, that I started to find my mana base to be an issue, slowing me down.
Round 3 I played Gifts Ungiven combo. He won game 1, at which point I sided in the four Thoughtseizes. Game 2 he got land screwed and I overran him pretty quickly. Game three I opened with Thoughtseize and trashed his Gifts Ungiven. The look on his face was priceless - he did not expect Thoughtseize from an elf deck.
Round 4 2-1 against another token deck - this one was closer than round 2. I sided in the two Essence Wardens, and he ended up tossing his Fatal Pushes at them early (unnecessarily, IMHO). But those EW's protected my Ezuris so they more than did their job. All three games were close, and I got lucky that he didn't make it to four mana in game 3.
Round 1 of top 4 I had a god draw game 1 and overran him with Craterhoof Behemoth. Game 2 I found out how vulnerable the deck is to flying spirits as he pushed past me with some fat in the air before I could get established. So, figuring I had to race him, I left Thoughtseizes, Duress, Shaman of the Pack, Beast Within, Abrupt Decay, and Reclamation Sage all in the sideboard, only to watch him drop a Worship. Live and learn, I guess.
A few notes I came away with:
1) The Thoughtseizes were outstanding, totally a reason to run black. Additionally, black will offer Devour Flesh or Cruel Edict, which is vital against Bogles.
2) The mana base, as stated, was trash and needs fixing. I'm ordering Gilt-Leaf Palace, Unclaimed Territory, and Overgrown Tomb. Bloodbraid Elf hit hard, but just wasn't synergistic enough and spread the mana base too thin, so I'm cutting red.
3) I liked what Lead the Stampede did so much that I'm going to just bite the bullet and purchase Collected Company.
4) I suspect the meta will be a little more prepared for Elves next week, so I'll probably see more sweepers. Thoughtseize will help, and I think I want to up the lord ratio to help protect against things like Zealous Persecution.
So here's the state of my deck at the moment:
Note: once I get Collected Company, Gilt-Leaf Palace, and Unclaimed Territory, those will all go in. I'll probably leave one or two forests in there in case of Path to Exile
Mar 15, 2018I've been having a lot of success with the red splash version of the deck I saw recently:Posted in: Established
DeckMagic OnlineOCTGN2ApprenticeBuy These Cards Creatures
2 Benevolent Bodyguard
1 Icatian Javelineers
2 Loyal Pegasus
4 Soul Warden
4 Thraben Inspector
4 Squadron Hawk
1 Veteran Armorer
4 Gather the Townsfolk
4 Raise the Alarm
4 Rally the Peasants
4 Battle Screech
2 Journey to Nowhere
4 Boros Garrison
1 Secluded Steppe
2 Wind-Scarred Crag
The reason for the red splash? Rally the Peasants, which has a red flashback cost, and Electrickery out of the sideboard (in the linked version). RtP alone is totally worth it.
I haven't put in and personally tested a sideboard yet, but this deck has been performing really well, and is highly resilient to bad draws. The best part? It set me back about 2 tickets on MTGO.
Mar 2, 2018Rancor, Cultivate, Regrowth, Utopia Sprawl, Nettle Sentinel, Iwamori of the Open Fist (at uncommon), Swords to Plowshares, Counterspell, Street Wraith, Browbeat, Blightning, Boros Charm, Nihil Spellbomb, and Swiftfoot Boots are the notable ones I saw. Not bad for final day cards.Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Edit: Horseshoe Crab and Quicksilver Dagger is one of my all-time favorite combos (the first combo deck I ever built, actually). That'll be a powerhouse limited combo.
Mar 2, 2018Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from ReAnimator »Full spoiler is up in Japanese https://magic.wizards.com/ja/articles/archive/card-image-gallery/masters-25
Thank you for this! I love Google page translator's attempt to identify the English names of the cards.
Mar 2, 2018Posted in: The Rumor MillQuote from dkingsland967 »
You've made two errors in your EV calculation. First, you don't add the average value of the mythics and the average value of the rares together because you don't get a rare and a mythic, you get one or the other.
I took the average sell value of the mythics ($30.42) and multiplied it by 1/8, then added that to 7/8 of the average rare value (7.76). Those came out to $3.80 and $6.79, respectively. The only way I got that wrong is if my estimate of the ratio of mythics to rares is off.
Second, you have attributed way too much value to the commons and uncommons. Mtggoldfish doesn't factor these into EV for a good reason... you can't reliably sell commons or uncs as singles.
This would be true for most sets, but I'd argue it doesn't hold true for M25; there are a lot of uncommons/commons that will be sellable, as 15/41 spoiled so far are currently selling for more than a dollar.
Mar 2, 2018Jeez, the outrage over this set so far is unbelievable. Out of the 120 or so cards currently spoiled, 18 of them are currently pre-selling for $10 or more:Posted in: The Rumor Mill
Jace, the Mind Sculptor
Chalice of the Void
Animar, Soul of Elements
Azusa, Lost but Seeking
Pact of Negation
Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
Based on the presale price (which, I understand, will eventually drop), the mythics and rares will return pack value all by themselves - $6.8 weighted average for the rares and $3.8 weighted average for the mythics (assuming 1/8 mythic slots). Even if you exclude Jace from that calculation, you'd still be looking at $9.40 and that's without the current $4.52 per-pack value from uncommons and $8.50 per-pack value from commons (a number which is probably more egregious since the set is likely to tank many of those values and the lesser value commons haven't been spoiled yet). Yes, you read all that right - for as "awful" as this set is, the average booster pack will currently return $24 in pre-sale value (and to note: those offer prices are mostly below the current card average for the previous versions).
Look, I get it - it sucks to open cards you don't want. But that's Magic. You've been playing this game for how many years and yet you continue to bitch about this card value? No, they didn't pack this set with a hundred of history's most expensive cards. But they're not idiots - they aren't going to put $70 worth of product into a $10 booster pack. They threw in a couple-dozen high value reprints along with some solid uncommons and commons that needed another printing. But all any of you can do is focus on how you aren't getting the exact cards you want, without taking a look at the bigger picture. It's ridiculous and a little pathetic.
Feb 28, 2018A quick question (partly to subscribe to this thread): Has anyone tried to use Aether Vial? I only ask because I feel like a) Instant speed creatures would help circumvent some of the problems we have, and b) it would help play out our threats faster.Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
Edit: Never mind. I played it tonight and it sucked.
Feb 19, 2018I'm new to this deck, so forgive me if I'm saying anything that has already been said, but if the biggest threats to the deck are sweepers, then what about cards like:Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
Liliana, Heretical Healer
Basically, anything that either makes killing 3-4 creatures sound like a really bad idea or at least mitigates the damage done when it happens.
Feb 17, 2018Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)Quote from Mudo »
In what matchups do we really want something dead rather than bounced?
I think Death's Shadow bloo is the most explosive version of the deck but less resilient. I'm not an expert though...
I haven't really played this deck, but I would think any sort of ETB effect, I would think - it's probably far more effective against Snapcaster Mage, as an example - or any problem utility creature where delaying for a turn is only buying time.
And it's always fun to respond to a topdecked kill spell by Pongifying your own creature. But that's more cute than broadly effective.
Feb 17, 2018Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)Quote from ChainVeil »
h0lydiva (the creator of Suicide Bloo) began testing Black splashes a couple months after the banning of Gitaxian Probe and printing of Fatal Push . However, the Black was used entirely as a sideboard tech. Here's an example of a version she was running for a while.
To my knowledge, I was the first person to begin using Death's Shadow in Bloo, in April of last year. Here's the build I ended up settling on, and ran with considerable success until h0lydiva introduces us all to the "Bloo 3.1" version of the deck with its mainboard Enigma Drakes and Disrupting Shoals. There are a variety of reasons why that version performs well in the current meta, and I have been running my own varient ever since.
Bloo has been an interesting journey over its ~18 months of existence. The deck has gone from U/R in its initial iteration, to UR(g) in its very fun and very skill-intensive Thought Scour + Noxious Revival second version, variously U/R Graveyard Based or Grixis with Death's Shadow as we were testing out alternate varients in between versions 2 and 3, then finally back to straight U/R with the latest build. Many of these were cooperatively developed, but there is no doubting the fact that h0lydiva is (and will always be in my mind) the queen of Suicide Bloo.
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Thanks for the summary!
What are the main weaknesses of the deck? What is it strong against?
Has anyone tested Pongify? Seems like it'd work perfectly with Titi.
Feb 17, 2018I'm new to this build and I'm really intrigued by it. Has anyone here considered splashing black for a discard suite and fatal push?Posted in: Deck Creation (Modern)
Also, to help deal with planeswalkers and/or enable Titi, what about Clockspinning? Gemstone Mine - especially if black were a consideration - and possibly Nivmagus Elemental could really benefit from that one as well.
Feb 8, 2018Just out of curiosity... has anyone tested Lignify? The main issue would be enchantment removal, but it costs 4 less life than Dismember and helps devotion. Sorcery speed, of course (big drawback), but seems like it might be an effective replacement...Posted in: Aggro & Tempo
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