I part of the camp that doesn't want see Dagger live, but I also think that we probably shouldn't lynch him today.
He could help swing future votes, and now that we're aware of his role (even if his allighment is still up in the air), we are in the position to take him out in the future if/when we need to.
Admittidly, I'm probably not the best voice on this subject.
Actually, since our vig is currently alive he can test this claim by trying to shoot Dagger tonight...that is if we feel like letting him live. There's no way the scum have NK-immunity and a doctor on their side. If he's a neutral, it's not a bad lynch either.
So, if we're to take kpaca's word at face value, I don't think we can go through AI's plan. That said, I don't mind the logic behind his second sentiment.
Muffin, you're not exactly presenting a comprehensive case. Understandably, you didn't say you were going to do a PBPA, but out of the 59 posts, you did pick the 6 that had minimal content and didn't exactly show necessarily scummy behavior, but things that could be intrepreted in either direction.
Out of all the players, kpaca's the one I trust the most, so when given three options and a quick review of each, it's not difficult to
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He has a low number post, only a sparringly ammount with helpful content. Sgt_Chubbz, is probably the second best option, but he had made one or two points to assuage suspision (for).
@Dagger: I wouldn't expect any less of you. My actions were reprehensible, and seeing as the number of people who wouldn't mind seeing me dead are increasing in number, I expect no sympathy for trying to redirect attention from myself after being accused. There were better methods to defend myself against Muffin's arguement. I should have attacked his logic and not at the supposed coach (that we both know doesn't exist).
Um... Dagger did vote for me. And Dagger still considers you town, despite your allegations. You think better of someone because they did these things. Hell, the other half of your arguement is basically saying I speculated some of the game mechanics (Insanity and character flavors, some of which I was right), which in and of itself is more neutral than anything.
I've been honest (and shown it, sadly) about being a less than stellar player, but I have done nothing determental to the town, only myself.
Muffin Man, please redirect your attentions to someone other than me for your sake as well as mine. The major premise of your against me was contingent on Dagger, A) coaching me and B) being scum. Seeing as Dagger was more than willing to throw me under the bus and he has, since rereading while not under influence of false accqusaations, been shed in a more posistive light.
After day 2, I'm not fond of either of you (or myself, seeing as that day could have gone a lot better with a little bit of forethought), but I'm going to put that aside and try to do something less non bias. I'm leaning to SGT_Chubbz as a decent start, though time will tell what I'll actually be able to do.
On who should hammer: nacho was the one would brought up the previous case against Cyouni. However, it was Talore's counterclaim that gain ressurgance to the theory, so he's also viable.
So you backed off? After being so certain with your own case to the point of ignoring my responses and brooking no other possible interpretations? Is this because you are thinking that somehow the pressure is off you somewhat and you won't be dying today?
No, it because I realized I couldn't give proper responses to your responses. I was running with a half baked idea and even if the notion is there, if I can't properly support my own arguement, its derailing the town from dealing with the right people and distracting.
I still have my apprehensions, but there is a bigger picture here.
So, I've spent the better part of the past three days reviewing the state of play that led up to the events and my own behavior (while keeping up with the thread).
While I still believe in some aspects of my arguement, I can also tell when good intentions become self destructive behavior.
My review has led to realize that I had little ground (slightly warped views and tangential evidence at best) to persecute dagger on grounds of associating with Aquajolt and Seppel, though I still maintain he and Muffin are in cahoots based on their individual actions and interaction with each other. Admittidly I'd have to go over both of them again.
At the moment, I recognize that there are other scum out there and will return to that case *after* I glean more analytical skills.
@kpaca: I'll certain concur with the notion that Some One isn't helping his case.
And from rian's comment from last page stated you didn't actual use an actual gun to shoot Muffin.
I prefer B, myself. As a 2/2 for, early game it satisfies as a quick beater and removing the tap abilities removes some complications with combat. However, if you do keep it at uncommon, I would recommend lowering the activation cost ever so slightly. 3 is a lot of mana, even if it reusable.
Dagger: if you end up town, me and Muffin both won't last much longer. I'm aware of the grevios consequences I'll suffer if I am wrong. But the evidence is in line with the conclusion. And the main reason I think you're alligned with scum is your interaction with Seppel and Krack (the former, defending time to time, the later, passively labeling him as town) and your current actions with Muffin. He's the one who incited this by calling you scum, yet you remain much more critical of me because I'm tryin' to push the subject.
You'll keep to your convictions, I'll keep mine. I'll stand by the fact I think Dagger is a bigger threat than you are and what you percieve me to be.
And I'm curious why it's so important I die before Dagger.
By your reasoning, it shouldn't matter. Dead scum is dead scum.
By my reasoning, it's because you know I'm not scum and just want me out of the way.
@Dagger: This is a 'Dead if I do, dead if I don't' situation. I'm commited to this. I think you scum and that ends my part of the dialogue.
@Muffin: You do realize that your refusal to vote for Dagger puts much more credability to AsianInvasion's theory that you and him are scumbuddies? You're not getting out of this one either.
He could help swing future votes, and now that we're aware of his role (even if his allighment is still up in the air), we are in the position to take him out in the future if/when we need to.
Admittidly, I'm probably not the best voice on this subject.
So, if we're to take kpaca's word at face value, I don't think we can go through AI's plan. That said, I don't mind the logic behind his second sentiment.
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He has a low number post, only a sparringly ammount with helpful content. Sgt_Chubbz, is probably the second best option, but he had made one or two points to assuage suspision (for).
If I counted correctly, that should be L-2.
I've been honest (and shown it, sadly) about being a less than stellar player, but I have done nothing determental to the town, only myself.
After day 2, I'm not fond of either of you (or myself, seeing as that day could have gone a lot better with a little bit of forethought), but I'm going to put that aside and try to do something less non bias. I'm leaning to SGT_Chubbz as a decent start, though time will tell what I'll actually be able to do.
No, it because I realized I couldn't give proper responses to your responses. I was running with a half baked idea and even if the notion is there, if I can't properly support my own arguement, its derailing the town from dealing with the right people and distracting.
I still have my apprehensions, but there is a bigger picture here.
While I still believe in some aspects of my arguement, I can also tell when good intentions become self destructive behavior.
My review has led to realize that I had little ground (slightly warped views and tangential evidence at best) to persecute dagger on grounds of associating with Aquajolt and Seppel, though I still maintain he and Muffin are in cahoots based on their individual actions and interaction with each other. Admittidly I'd have to go over both of them again.
At the moment, I recognize that there are other scum out there and will return to that case *after* I glean more analytical skills.
@kpaca: I'll certain concur with the notion that Some One isn't helping his case.
And from rian's comment from last page stated you didn't actual use an actual gun to shoot Muffin.
And when I agree with you that's he's scum, that suddenly means he may not be scum?
That's kinda waffeling.
And I'm curious why it's so important I die before Dagger.
By your reasoning, it shouldn't matter. Dead scum is dead scum.
By my reasoning, it's because you know I'm not scum and just want me out of the way.
@Muffin: You do realize that your refusal to vote for Dagger puts much more credability to AsianInvasion's theory that you and him are scumbuddies? You're not getting out of this one either.