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Quote from Werewolf_Rawr » man.... he´s simply horrible. it´s a vanilla 3/3 for 3 (which is a bad common you regularly cut on limited) THAT GIVES AT LEAST A CARD FOR FREE TO AN OPPONENT.... and his ceiling is just waaaay too low... he becomes just a phytohydra that loses every ability again as soon as you are hit by literally any creature in play and goes back to being that awful common you cut from you limited deck because there's better stuff to run. this guy is just oozing flavor from every pore of his body, but he's an spetacularly awful magic card. it´s not that he's not a self contained powerhouse. he's a objectively really, really bad card. he's a lot worse than Stormwild Capridor 99% of the time and that simply makes him an awful commander that no one will play... and that's sad for a card that's that huge of a flavor home run. Like I said, I know I’m fighting a losing battle. So many of the conversations on these forums revolve around winning hard and fast and playing good stuff. That’s fine, keeps the actual interesting, flavorful cards that make you work for it cheap and accessible. Magic has printed so many self-contained good stuff cards recently that building just blatantly strong decks is no longer a challenge. It’s like what black used to be. Strong black cards used to come with a drawback that you needed to work around. That element of the game rarely exists anymore in this new philosophy of designing power cards to attract new players. Now, I’m not saying that this guy is powerful. I’m not even saying he is good. But he’s at least interesting and reminiscent of a game that used to require more creativity. He brings that challenge back. Also, I like Monarch a lot for this format. And I don’t like it just because it draws me a card or another powerful effect on my turn. I like it because in encourages interaction in the multiplayer format and keeps the game fun. So, getting that into the game early is awesome, even if it’s going to an opponent first. Plus, side benefit of painting a target on an opponent. If I give this to the guy to my right, then the two to my left have a reason to go at him and not me.
man.... he´s simply horrible. it´s a vanilla 3/3 for 3 (which is a bad common you regularly cut on limited) THAT GIVES AT LEAST A CARD FOR FREE TO AN OPPONENT.... and his ceiling is just waaaay too low... he becomes just a phytohydra that loses every ability again as soon as you are hit by literally any creature in play and goes back to being that awful common you cut from you limited deck because there's better stuff to run. this guy is just oozing flavor from every pore of his body, but he's an spetacularly awful magic card. it´s not that he's not a self contained powerhouse. he's a objectively really, really bad card. he's a lot worse than Stormwild Capridor 99% of the time and that simply makes him an awful commander that no one will play... and that's sad for a card that's that huge of a flavor home run.
Quote from TheOnlyOne652089 »The fail on this card is really just that you cant get Monarch back right away. If you could, this would be a reasonable card.
Quote from Werewolf_Rawr »Quote from seilaoque »Quote from Werewolf_Rawr »Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from Ryperior74 »once the next turn hits....JUST PLAY ANYTHING WITH MONARCH ABILITY! Yeah... and then you get a 3/3 phytohydra You use it for attacking? You opponent won't block You use it for blocking? Can't stop evasion or big tramplers from getting monarch back You somehow manage to give him tons of counters? Still chumpable and dies to removal. You have to waste resources getting monarch back, you have to have resources making him big, you have to waste resources making evasive, you have to waste resources protecting him. That's too much C'mon. Get creative! It doesn't even take a ton of thought to make this work in your favor. Pyrohemia Blasphemous Act Chain Reaction Heck, even Earthquake. You clear the board with damage while you're the monarch, put a ton of counters on your commander, and swing in. Everything should die to removal. That's okay - it's what keeps this game from being solitaire. It'll stop big tramplers if you put counters on it. Nothing stops evasion, that's the point of evasion. This is irrelevant. Also, if flying specifically is blowing your mind, then you're still in colors that have plenty of flying or reach options. This isn't the only creature in your deck. Seriously, where did all the brewers go?! yeah, all of those are great.... even better with Vigor, though mechanically, Jared ir ridiculously bad, unfortunately, he's just way too underpowered for anyone to really build around him. I mean, at best he's just a spectacularly huge easily chumpblockable creature. meh, who cares? He's 3 mana...why do we need more than what he has on him for 3 mana? Yep, he's better with Vigor. He's better with trample. So thank goodness you have 62 other cards to find a way to make that happen...In the two easiest colors to do so.. I get that I am fighting a losing battle in wanting Wizards to print more cards like this. Cards that aren't completely self contained strategies and powerhouses. Most people don't want to deck build anymore, they just want the card to do it all on its own. So who cares? The few like me that are still around that don't appreciate lazy, power house, self-contained cards.
Quote from seilaoque »Quote from Werewolf_Rawr »Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from Ryperior74 »once the next turn hits....JUST PLAY ANYTHING WITH MONARCH ABILITY! Yeah... and then you get a 3/3 phytohydra You use it for attacking? You opponent won't block You use it for blocking? Can't stop evasion or big tramplers from getting monarch back You somehow manage to give him tons of counters? Still chumpable and dies to removal. You have to waste resources getting monarch back, you have to have resources making him big, you have to waste resources making evasive, you have to waste resources protecting him. That's too much C'mon. Get creative! It doesn't even take a ton of thought to make this work in your favor. Pyrohemia Blasphemous Act Chain Reaction Heck, even Earthquake. You clear the board with damage while you're the monarch, put a ton of counters on your commander, and swing in. Everything should die to removal. That's okay - it's what keeps this game from being solitaire. It'll stop big tramplers if you put counters on it. Nothing stops evasion, that's the point of evasion. This is irrelevant. Also, if flying specifically is blowing your mind, then you're still in colors that have plenty of flying or reach options. This isn't the only creature in your deck. Seriously, where did all the brewers go?! yeah, all of those are great.... even better with Vigor, though mechanically, Jared ir ridiculously bad, unfortunately, he's just way too underpowered for anyone to really build around him. I mean, at best he's just a spectacularly huge easily chumpblockable creature. meh, who cares?
Quote from Werewolf_Rawr »Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from Ryperior74 »once the next turn hits....JUST PLAY ANYTHING WITH MONARCH ABILITY! Yeah... and then you get a 3/3 phytohydra You use it for attacking? You opponent won't block You use it for blocking? Can't stop evasion or big tramplers from getting monarch back You somehow manage to give him tons of counters? Still chumpable and dies to removal. You have to waste resources getting monarch back, you have to have resources making him big, you have to waste resources making evasive, you have to waste resources protecting him. That's too much C'mon. Get creative! It doesn't even take a ton of thought to make this work in your favor. Pyrohemia Blasphemous Act Chain Reaction Heck, even Earthquake. You clear the board with damage while you're the monarch, put a ton of counters on your commander, and swing in. Everything should die to removal. That's okay - it's what keeps this game from being solitaire. It'll stop big tramplers if you put counters on it. Nothing stops evasion, that's the point of evasion. This is irrelevant. Also, if flying specifically is blowing your mind, then you're still in colors that have plenty of flying or reach options. This isn't the only creature in your deck. Seriously, where did all the brewers go?!
Quote from ilovesaprolings »Quote from Ryperior74 »once the next turn hits....JUST PLAY ANYTHING WITH MONARCH ABILITY! Yeah... and then you get a 3/3 phytohydra You use it for attacking? You opponent won't block You use it for blocking? Can't stop evasion or big tramplers from getting monarch back You somehow manage to give him tons of counters? Still chumpable and dies to removal. You have to waste resources getting monarch back, you have to have resources making him big, you have to waste resources making evasive, you have to waste resources protecting him. That's too much
Quote from Ryperior74 »once the next turn hits....JUST PLAY ANYTHING WITH MONARCH ABILITY!
Quote from Cranky »Quote from mu1000 »I don't particularly like the "but it is dead lategame" argument either. That argument is true for most ramp effects, yet they still see plenty of play. The benefits clearly outweigh the drawback in this case. The difference between traditional ramp and this card in the late game being that traditional ramp can at least play other cards, power out X spells, allow you to multi-spell, thin your deck, etc. Lotus does literally one thing. Which is a strong thing, sure, but the average case for it is going to be 'dead card in hand' since any given card is much more likely to NOT be in the opener. That's a really bad floor to risk for the ceiling offered. Again, I like the card. I'm happy it exists. I'll be playing a couple in decks that can abuse it. Its incredibly overrated though, and nowhere near worth its current price tag. $100+ is laughable for not even the best card in the set, in a set that will be opened probably more than any set in recent history. The foil full-art saw ebay listings of $800. People need to calm the hell down, cuz Black Lotus this ain't.
Quote from mu1000 »I don't particularly like the "but it is dead lategame" argument either. That argument is true for most ramp effects, yet they still see plenty of play. The benefits clearly outweigh the drawback in this case.
Quote from Creedmoor »Quote from seilaoque »wait..... mythic? this? really? a 2/2 for 4 with an ability that's alright at best? man.... there are A TON of more interesting uncommons.... wtf is this? This was one of the original Partners back from when they made them originally. They were... all over the map in terms of power level back then.
Quote from seilaoque »wait..... mythic? this? really? a 2/2 for 4 with an ability that's alright at best? man.... there are A TON of more interesting uncommons.... wtf is this?
Quote from ChariSays »Quote from seilaoque »wait..... mythic? this? really? a 2/2 for 4 with an ability that's alright at best? man.... there are A TON of more interesting uncommons.... wtf is this? What if I told you that this was one of the best commanders in the game?
Quote from protoaddict »I love that abomination, feel like that could have eternal applications.