All I seem to be doing in this game is gathering prods.
Just to remind the Tan voters (and everyone else) that he has fire before a lynch. Ideally he shouldn't get put to L-1 by anyone. Hopefully everyone knew that already.
If Tan's death doesn't end the game it should relatively easy to know what to do tomorrow once the priest claims so I'm ok ending the day with Tan shooting me. Consider my pseudovote there.
/barn
Anyway, Just to make things easier, unless the town is done and says so here by some sort of method (Maybe a Bold green Fire away or something,) I'm going to fire on Wed Oct 8th around 8ish EDT (As I won't be on after said time.) That SHOULD be enough time for everyone to get in what needs to be said.
Saying that, I'll be back to comment on Iso's post later.
Guise. I need to be in a mafia game. I'm not currently in a mafia game. Let's please correct this awful happening!
Teia, I hear that the very beginning is a very good place to start. Not sure where I heard that, but I think I believe it... maybe it was some mountain-folk movie.
Yeah tbh that was a townish reaction to the plan, though it's also exactly how scum should theoretically play it knowing the claim'd be inevitable at that point
Tanarin, who do YOU think you should fire at?
I'll admit I don't have the best read on TMCT, though his recent posts have been scummy. Gut says fire at my scum read, but brain says play it safe here and shoot into Antny and let him give a life to Laset.
So I am thinking go with the BoD plan. Again though, I'm down for whatever the town thinks at this point.
OK, just an FYI everyone, we are one week from deadline. I am assuming that the town wants to commit to myself firing at Antny today (Given we BoD claimed,) correct?
Post 171 - Tanarin attacks KK, promises to vote but wants to wait until replacements are in. Fair enough... but also consistent with scum wanting to avoid committing to the bus just in case replacements derail the wagon.
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So, you are fully admitting that me wanting to wait on replacements is something both town and scum would do, yet you are using it here to say I am scum? Wouldn't this be a null tell under all but the most extreme circumstances?
[quote]Post 224 - Speaking of reasons Tanarin is scum, there's this post! Take a look at this post, where Tanarin attacks AE, and compare it to 171 (where Tanarin attacks KK). There's a tonal difference, and Fadeblue in A3 is a thing! (Which would mean AE is town, in which case sorry I was wrong, AE? Not sorry for lynching you, though - you weren't a strong town read and you were confirmed non-Holy.)
Umm... not seeing how trying to engage an inactive player is scummy. At that time AE was being intentionally inactive. I was trying to spur him on to comment on something.
Post 273 - That's not the tone I would expect from somebody who actually thought AE was scum. More importantly, Tanarin goes into scum trying to fake content when there aren't a bunch of easy mislynches. You know one of the things scum do to avoid posting content? Talk about mechanics. What has Tanarin been doing *all game*? Talking about mechanics.
File me under the Vi/Kinetic category of your IIoA file. I can find a bunch of recent games where I go hardcore mechanic talk (Pope off the top of my head.)
Really though, I don't know how 273 even relates to mechanics talk. AE asked why inactivity helped scum, and I answered.
Post 277 - "Sometimes slips happen that require a lynch to happen before replacements can be found." Also, Tanarin says that he thinks KK is scum and promises to vote him... but doesn't actually poke at him again after that until the replacements are in. Which makes sense if Tanarin is scum and hoped that somebody (like, say, AE) would do something that would draw attention to themselves (and away from KK) before the replacements were in.
So... keeping a promise I made back in post 171 is scummy now? Guess I'll keep that in mind next time I am scum.
Post 283 - Tanarin backtracks on GD claim. Notable mostly because Tanarin says that "OK, I think the town needs to readdress the GD claim thing" - slip, anyone?
Also reconsidering things after hearing a more convincing argument from someone who appears to be experienced is is also scummy? Man this is starting to look like Pope mafia all over again.
Post 301 - "Nobody drew attention to themselves while the mod was looking for replacements. Darn. I guess I have to bus now!"
See response to 277.
Post 354 - Tanarin explains why KK is scum (which looks kind of coachy, really) and, more importantly, calls out TMCT on pushing the ambiguity with KK/Generic. (He also goes into counterclaims from Priest/Inquisitor, which is *really odd* coming from a Cannon - and note that randomly capitalized "Two", which could easily be some sort of signal to his buddy.)
Umm... ok? This reads like you are tunneled in on me at this point, much like Wheat was in Pope.
Post 360 - Tanarin fishes for Priest reactions ("The Priest has his own choice to make?"). That makes NO sense from town Cannon.
Well, guess I need to read more of those forums you posted, because I have no idea how a cannon should play. Also, how exactly is this fishing for reactions? I was making a statement about the priest having to choose who to inspect. In my mind I was under the impression that the priest would choose to inspect wither generic or vaimes as he could not be sure on their alignment. I even said as much in later posts when asked about it.
Post 368 - Tanarin blows up in response to Citrus's vote, accusing him of attempting to derail the lynch and saying that Citrus better have a damn good reason for voting Tan. As noted by a couple of people D1, that's an awfully jumpy response to a single vote. More to the point, the *way* he responds is not a town mindset - it's not "you're wrong, here's why" or "this is a scum attack", it's "why are you voting me?" and "look over there!" (admittedly,
Again, just came off of Pope, where we had a player completely derail the Iso wagon by going "oooo shiny" on a player later determined to be town.
Post 405 - I wonder if part of the reason Tanarin opposed Generic's plan (on top of the obvious "Angels are not worth a Holy lynch and I'll get towncred for opposing this" was because he thought that KA was the Priest and KK being dead would allow the scum to kill him without Angel interference.
And funny how Pope mafia has been a recurring theme here.
Post 424 - TMCT bails out Tanarin, giving him an explanation for his response to Citrus in 368. Tanarin might have said that on his own, but he didn't in 405 (the D1 lynch in Pope was KA, not Tanarin) - this looks a lot like a scum feeding his buddy an out to pressure. Could be town giving it inadvertently, I guess? - Nacho did something similar to Az in CT3, and he was town - but I doubt it given everything else TMCT has done.
Again... pope mafia. Also why does the D1 lynch even matter here? He never brought it up in that post, if anything you could say I did in 405. Either way who was lynched D1 was not relevant.
Post 458 (D2, included for relevance) - Tanarin's first post of D2 is a doozy. He responds to TMCT's 424 (grabbing the lifeline without analyzing why it was thrown - Az did the same thing towards Nacho's meta argument in CT3, he was scum), he speculates on why KA was killed (which *again* reminds me of something a scum did in CT3 - specifically, my response to the N1 Natirasha kill), AND he attacks both Citrus and Cantrip (the tone is a dead ringer for his AE push and *not* for his KK push - again, Fadeblue in A3 is a thing! - and he snipes at Cantripmancer without actually committing his vote to the wagon).
Umm... OK? Really though, Fadeblue in A3? Mind filling me in on what you are talking about? I have a feeling the point you are trying to make will be clearer with me if I knew what you were talking about.
Ugh... real life sucks. Anyway, been at least reading what is going on, and I support a BoD claim. Hopefully will get to answering tare's case on me tonight.
c) LC can claim, especially if they're in... a group I shouldn't explicitly name. but. if you're LC and think town's likely to want to lynch you at some point, it's probably pretty okay for you to claim right now?
@Laset (Post 675): It is possible Vaimes got cursed, or scum opted to only use one kill, or scum used both shots on Vaimes. Odds are though with how many people are left in the possible priest pool that the angels more likely protected the priest just in case.
@Citric (Post 676): I still find it highly unlikely Cantrip is scum at this point. If he was, I am sure there would be more fuss right about now over the issue from either Laset or the priest. Occam's razor and all that jazz, ya know.
@Antny (Post 678/680): /Barn everything you said. Having 2 confirmed town at this point is huge, especially if there is still doubt about AE's alignment. And as you said in post 680, A LC claim is not a bad idea, and if there are two scum left, it would be really bad for scum to 1 for 1 on the priest/acolyte via LC. I guess my point is, is it really gonna hurt for LC to claim now or later at this point in the game? Any way you slice it, we can protect at least one of the two holy roles until D4, which means 1 confirmed for sure. Also as an additional advantage, Scum can't fake claim at all, as we happen to know all the dead roles ATM. After today, scum can start taking a risk of guessing which role to claim. Now may be the only time we can MC safely.
@Cantrip (Post 783): I see no problem trying to use the LC lynch to our advantage. Your plan seems pretty solid. Only weak point I see is in the very unlikely event that you are scum. With a hidden judge though, this as of now is not an issue.
Anyway, I am only looking at the following people as possible lynch people. The LC, antny, Iso, TMCT, and Citric. Everyone else reads town in my mind at this point.
If we all claim today, we are assured the priest is going to be alive until Day 4. On top of that, we go into Day 4 with MINIMUM 2 confirmed, if not more depending on targets. Now come Day 4, we can consider a Old maid lynch. This will serve a double purpose. A) If we are down to one scum, they would HAVE to double kill the priest in order to kill him, thus we know for sure where we stand going into day 5 either way. At this point I feel we are one MC away from breaking this game.
OK, just got home and will comment more a bit later, but I see no reason to no lynch here TMCT. By my math we can safely lynch today and tomorrow.
8 alive - 1 lynch = 7 left
7 alive - 1 death = 6 left D4.
Also, I think we SHOULD consider a mass claim today. Priest is still alive here and at this point is assured to live to day 4 minimum (Piercing protection is active.) Will explain more in a few.
/barn
Anyway, Just to make things easier, unless the town is done and says so here by some sort of method (Maybe a Bold green Fire away or something,) I'm going to fire on Wed Oct 8th around 8ish EDT (As I won't be on after said time.) That SHOULD be enough time for everyone to get in what needs to be said.
Saying that, I'll be back to comment on Iso's post later.
Well I am working on it on my end...
I'll admit I don't have the best read on TMCT, though his recent posts have been scummy. Gut says fire at my scum read, but brain says play it safe here and shoot into Antny and let him give a life to Laset.
So I am thinking go with the BoD plan. Again though, I'm down for whatever the town thinks at this point.
Umm... not seeing how trying to engage an inactive player is scummy. At that time AE was being intentionally inactive. I was trying to spur him on to comment on something.
File me under the Vi/Kinetic category of your IIoA file. I can find a bunch of recent games where I go hardcore mechanic talk (Pope off the top of my head.)
Really though, I don't know how 273 even relates to mechanics talk. AE asked why inactivity helped scum, and I answered.
So... keeping a promise I made back in post 171 is scummy now? Guess I'll keep that in mind next time I am scum.
Also reconsidering things after hearing a more convincing argument from someone who appears to be experienced is is also scummy? Man this is starting to look like Pope mafia all over again.
See response to 277.
Umm... ok? This reads like you are tunneled in on me at this point, much like Wheat was in Pope.
Well, guess I need to read more of those forums you posted, because I have no idea how a cannon should play. Also, how exactly is this fishing for reactions? I was making a statement about the priest having to choose who to inspect. In my mind I was under the impression that the priest would choose to inspect wither generic or vaimes as he could not be sure on their alignment. I even said as much in later posts when asked about it.
Again, just came off of Pope, where we had a player completely derail the Iso wagon by going "oooo shiny" on a player later determined to be town.
And funny how Pope mafia has been a recurring theme here.
Again... pope mafia. Also why does the D1 lynch even matter here? He never brought it up in that post, if anything you could say I did in 405. Either way who was lynched D1 was not relevant.
Umm... OK? Really though, Fadeblue in A3? Mind filling me in on what you are talking about? I have a feeling the point you are trying to make will be clearer with me if I knew what you were talking about.
Fine then, Yes, I am the Loose Cannon.
Actually, with Tare slipping on his post, we may now be forced to MC. His last post alone pretty much narrowed down who the priest is to three people.
@Laset (Post 675): It is possible Vaimes got cursed, or scum opted to only use one kill, or scum used both shots on Vaimes. Odds are though with how many people are left in the possible priest pool that the angels more likely protected the priest just in case.
@Citric (Post 676): I still find it highly unlikely Cantrip is scum at this point. If he was, I am sure there would be more fuss right about now over the issue from either Laset or the priest. Occam's razor and all that jazz, ya know.
@Antny (Post 678/680): /Barn everything you said. Having 2 confirmed town at this point is huge, especially if there is still doubt about AE's alignment. And as you said in post 680, A LC claim is not a bad idea, and if there are two scum left, it would be really bad for scum to 1 for 1 on the priest/acolyte via LC. I guess my point is, is it really gonna hurt for LC to claim now or later at this point in the game? Any way you slice it, we can protect at least one of the two holy roles until D4, which means 1 confirmed for sure. Also as an additional advantage, Scum can't fake claim at all, as we happen to know all the dead roles ATM. After today, scum can start taking a risk of guessing which role to claim. Now may be the only time we can MC safely.
@Cantrip (Post 783): I see no problem trying to use the LC lynch to our advantage. Your plan seems pretty solid. Only weak point I see is in the very unlikely event that you are scum. With a hidden judge though, this as of now is not an issue.
Anyway, I am only looking at the following people as possible lynch people. The LC, antny, Iso, TMCT, and Citric. Everyone else reads town in my mind at this point.
If we all claim today, we are assured the priest is going to be alive until Day 4. On top of that, we go into Day 4 with MINIMUM 2 confirmed, if not more depending on targets. Now come Day 4, we can consider a Old maid lynch. This will serve a double purpose. A) If we are down to one scum, they would HAVE to double kill the priest in order to kill him, thus we know for sure where we stand going into day 5 either way. At this point I feel we are one MC away from breaking this game.
8 alive - 1 lynch = 7 left
7 alive - 1 death = 6 left D4.
Also, I think we SHOULD consider a mass claim today. Priest is still alive here and at this point is assured to live to day 4 minimum (Piercing protection is active.) Will explain more in a few.
Oh crap you were. Well then, this should be fun.
Also as an aside, calling it now I am getting Spot this game. Just watch.