When an object changes zones, it becomes a new object. This prevents a lot of confusing interactions, like trying to keep track of specific effects on a card moved to a hidden zone.
When you return Torrent Elemental, the abilities that cared about it lose track of it. When they try to return it, they can't because it's not where it's supposed to be, and the card itself is a new object.
It's mechanically impossible to respond to the attack, but not the trigger. When a player declares attacking, neither player has priority. It isn't until after declaring any attackers that triggers go on the stack, and only then do players gain priority.
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people are really bad at judging delve cards... this card is unplayable outside of standard maybe. its so bad in multiples. comparing it to visions or recall is laughable. especially with snapcaster existing in other formats
Comparing it to cards that have the exact same effect? Inconceivable!
The earliest you can play it is turn three, regardless of what you do, but a 4/4 with trample for three or less is still on curve, and still relevant going into the late game.
It's relatively easy to play it for 1G turn 2 in older formats. If it's worth it, I dunno...
I know, but you'll be hard pressed to find a time when you can play it earlier than turn three without bringing up specific cards or specific interactions. Fetch each turn in addition to casting things or having things dying still pushes it to turn three.
It's playable in a lot of formats. At it's absolute worse, it's still okay for what it is, but the efficiency is nothing but gravy beyond that. At it's best, it's a one mana 4/4 with no other requirements.
Being able to select specific cards to exile gives it power against Goyf, while having a lot of wiggle room for your own graveyard sensitivities. The earliest you can play it is turn three, regardless of what you do, but a 4/4 with trample for three or less is still on curve, and still relevant going into the late game.
Geeze, these are lazy design. Oh wow, a b/g/u card that gets haste, trample or flying. And then a r/w/b card that gets vigilance, lifelink, and haste. This whole set just seems paint by the numbers.
Such lazy designs, using game mechanics that exist to create wedge cards that are actually wedge cards.
This card is absolutely bonkers. I don't care what any of you say. This is a much, MUCH better version of Geralf's Messenger, and that saw heavy play. Better P/T, you gain life.. I don't know what else to say. This card is absolutely unreal. Will see heavy standard play without a doubt.
They aren't even close in power level. Messenger is a tribal Zombie that has natural synergies with basic principles of the game, creating combat advantage with it's efficient body, and aggressive abilities. It thrives off removal, and remains relevant stalling the board, while still dealing damage. When something bigger comes out, it doesn't become useless, instead giving you time to stabilize or answer it, even maintaining aggression against your opponent's attacks.
Siege Rhino is a 4 mana card that is difficult to cast, and doesn't match the efficiency of other wedge cards. In it's own clan, there are better options. Anafenza, the Foremost can come down earlier, easily outracing Rhino, while creating more aggression just by attacking, on top of having an ability that counters death triggers for your opponent. If it's stats can't surmount your opponent's defense, it still does work.
This card makes me torn between Temur and Abzan. I guess it is more about which beater is better: Savage Knuckleblade or Siege Rhino.
One is a hyper efficient creature that is relevant in every part of the game, allowing you to pressure and protect against almost anything in the format. The other one is Siege Rhino.
This is a very efficient kill spell, maybe even the most. With Fetchlands and cheap spells, it is incredibly easy to cast early and destroy nearly all aggression, with an almost trivial cost. It's nearly good enough to reach beyond Standard, but options in other formats attack their respective metas with more potency, and with diverse applications.
It's a weird card. It's big enough to act like removal, and it can protect itself for what might be a trivial cost, but I doubt anything in this first set will enable it.
When you return Torrent Elemental, the abilities that cared about it lose track of it. When they try to return it, they can't because it's not where it's supposed to be, and the card itself is a new object.
Comparing it to cards that have the exact same effect? Inconceivable!
I know, but you'll be hard pressed to find a time when you can play it earlier than turn three without bringing up specific cards or specific interactions. Fetch each turn in addition to casting things or having things dying still pushes it to turn three.
Being able to select specific cards to exile gives it power against Goyf, while having a lot of wiggle room for your own graveyard sensitivities. The earliest you can play it is turn three, regardless of what you do, but a 4/4 with trample for three or less is still on curve, and still relevant going into the late game.
Such lazy designs, using game mechanics that exist to create wedge cards that are actually wedge cards.
They aren't even close in power level. Messenger is a tribal Zombie that has natural synergies with basic principles of the game, creating combat advantage with it's efficient body, and aggressive abilities. It thrives off removal, and remains relevant stalling the board, while still dealing damage. When something bigger comes out, it doesn't become useless, instead giving you time to stabilize or answer it, even maintaining aggression against your opponent's attacks.
Siege Rhino is a 4 mana card that is difficult to cast, and doesn't match the efficiency of other wedge cards. In it's own clan, there are better options. Anafenza, the Foremost can come down earlier, easily outracing Rhino, while creating more aggression just by attacking, on top of having an ability that counters death triggers for your opponent. If it's stats can't surmount your opponent's defense, it still does work.
One is a hyper efficient creature that is relevant in every part of the game, allowing you to pressure and protect against almost anything in the format. The other one is Siege Rhino.
Hopefully you don't mean to summon it with Chord of Calling.
Yeah, screw people for wanting a card that actually attacks when you declare an attack with it.
Turn 1: Fetch, Spell
Turn 2: Fetch, Kill