Don't throw that WIFOM crap at me. Practically all this whole game a majority of you have sat there talking about reading why a person would do what they did. Is it possible that as scum I could decide to go off the deep end and claim stuff in such a way that puts me in danger? Sure.
That being said, that's ignoring a LOT of context. That's ignoring that as scum, I could have played a safe route by keeping my mouth shut and not volunteering information. That's ignoring that, as town, I would willingly claim information to make sure things are at least accurate on my end to help solve the game state. Also, what you did D2 and what I've done are two different matters entirely. Yours was strictly a flavor issue with people being distrusting of borg. Mine is a mechanical issue where in I ended up targeting someone that ended up dead the next day.
And don't even get me started on who looks more town. For a majority of the game I was town read by practically everyone. You're going to tell me that I decided to willingly destroy how I was being town read by everyone by claiming information I didn't have to claim? And to gain what? Half's lynch like I kept pressing? Give me a break. I wasn't even being looked at for (idk even know what POE stands for) POE since we had like Tom, Cat, and Half before you'd even get to me if it would be me at all (I believe DV was even before me for some if not most people).
Concerning Kingmaker:
If, if Half is town and IF there is a SK present in the game along with 1 scum, then yes you're right. Effectively town would have no way to win, but at the moment that's something to be considered once we cross that bridge into that game state.
No, that is not why flavor. At least not entirely in the way you may be viewing it. Actually yeah, flavor (as far as story stuff) doesn't matter. What does matter is what I've claimed regarding my abilities. Note that I said one of my abilities interacted with Jem'Hadar and Vorta (to make it so they can't use day abilities). Remember I pursued Tom extremely hard and accused him of having a day ability to investigate someone for a name. I pursued tom because of this ability and because I was convinced Half was much more townie than tom was acting (and in a bubble, I still believe that). Tom flipped town though. That leaves Half. Not to mention that despite my fake claim, I ended up failing my abilities which, as I've said, makes me believe I was targeted by a role block. Half is the only person alive that has played multiple games with me. Everyone else hasn't. Based on what I had claimed, they didn't have any reason to necessarily believe I was lying about my claim. Half I do believe would question me (not to mention I seem to be similar to him in approaches if not in style).
Main point though is that my flavor hasn't had an impact on the game. The only impact "flavor-wise" would be the fact that an ability of mine seemingly indicated Tom and Half, and those are the two who I've pursued (also because of other circumstances mentioned already).
What do you think about what I've claimed wrt to the two scenarios? Am I scum who willingly volunteered information when he didn't have to, or am I town who info dumped?
DV said what about mafia having no motives to kill them? He was scum, and likely didn't expect to die. What makes you think what he said should be taken at face value (in that mafia had no motive for killing "them")?
As for reading me, you've got two options. You read me as scum because of what you've already been talking about (that I targeted people that died therefore I must have been the one to kill them -- you already know my opinion on this). The other way is to read me as town on this because of what I've already explained concerning this. Matter of fact, did you even address what I said concerning that? I'm pretty sure I posed several questions to you about the motivation, as scum, for me claiming those targets when I could have been silent the entire time and never claimed them. After all, no one questioned my claim fake claim I made about having 3 one-shot abilities. Why not maintain that as opposed to claiming something entirely else that not only reveals more information about my role, but also directly links me to having targeted players that were killed on nights 2 and 3 (by my words I targeted them)?
It's no more complicated than that. You either believe what I'm saying, or you don't. If you don't believe me, then you must believe that I am scum who willingly claimed information when he didn't have to. If you do believe me, then I claimed said information with the express intent of showing my full hand with nothing else to hide per my own word while trying to push a lynch on Half.
In no way can Wheat ever be scum. Unless one of you found evidence to the contrary regarding what Killjoy confirmed in thread (note: I never bothered looking this up), Killjoy confirmed that Wheat was confirmed as town to him. Since Kill died as town, it stands to reason he was honest. Therefore Wheat is town for sure. Like, more sure than Cyth being town. That's how town Wheat is.
I'm going to throw the same thing I said to Cat at you.
What about what I've claimed is convenient? If I'm the SK, you're asserting that I decided it was better for me to claim all this stuff that would make me potentially suspect as opposed to keeping quiet about it. And claiming all this to accomplish what? Pushing a lynch on Half? How is that a SK mentality?
Let's get on the same page. I'm not saying I have proof that I'm cleared 100% of Mind and Brin's deaths. I'm asserting that given what I've claimed, I am not the killer. That is what I'm saying. Nothing about my role allows me to kill anyone. Not even the latnium reduction ability. I cannot kill anyone. Therefore, despite Mind and Brin having died from me targeting them, it was not I who killed them. I'm saying it was the mafia.
Up to that point, are we on the same page?
Yes, I realize that is convenient. You also realize I didn't have to claim any of that at all, right? I never had to claim that I targeted Mind despite him having been killed. I could have just never said anything about that. Same thing with Brin. I never had to claim anything I claimed. I could have claimed multiple other things such as I targeted Wheat and used the character name he claimed or I targeted Tom and got the name he used. Not once was I forced into this position. I willingly volunteered the information because it is complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge (to the best of my knowledge because I do know my abilities failed on Half, but I am only speculating that it was due a role block that the abilities failed as that is the only scenario that makes the most reasonable sense to me).
No one accused me of anything Cat (unless you are talking about today in which case Half is asserting I am the SK). As I said above, I volunteered everything (including all the flavor stuff past just giving the name Odo to Half per his request for me to claim my flavor). With everything that I have claimed out in the open, now I've got someone (Half) postulating that I could have killed the likes of Brin (though nothing has been brought up yet concerning Mind, you have that right). Course with the way you seem to be thinking, you're not far off from the train of thought that just because I claimed to have targeted them and they died, that I must have killed them. Explain to me why would I bother claiming to have targeted them in the first place. What makes you think that I, as scum, would willingly decide to out myself in that way?
You're right about one thing. It certainly is interesting. As interesting as when DoTA targeted Silver to reduce his latnium when Silver claimed he would be using an ability which would reduce his latnium cost. At least with my situation it is open ended as to whether or not I used a potentially malicious ability compared to you confirming what DoTA (your role's predecessor) did.
Hold the phone. You say it wasn't a completely unrealistic thought that Silver was scum with the context of when DoTA made his night action. That early in the game, Silver was being town read by a lot of players and only had like one person that was like, "Are you the borg queen Silver huh huh are you???" It was unrealistic to view Silver as scum that early in the game. Your uninformed status concerning why DoTA did it hardly matters. Much in the same way that you seem to be glossing over the context of my situation and focusing on the implications, the same can be done for you wrt to DoTA's actions. More so because we knew (from what was claimed in those early days), that Silver would die with no latnium.
Besides, let's not forget what Kosa has claimed concerning you and Half. One of you is in a thread/QT/chat outside of what Kosa has you in. If you're town, then you should be focusing on Half to put him in the noose. Course if you're not town, then killing off Half puts you that much closer to getting lynched yourself. So it should go without saying that it is highly odd that you sit there and say, "If it helps the town I will take the noose," even though, if you're town, then you should know Half is scum based on what Kosa has claimed. Not to mention it is odd that you'd focus on me for what I've claimed despite looking at it in context. Perhaps you're trying to be opportunistic.
Either way, you've got a choice. Lynch Half with us, or continue to putz around talking about my flavor and the fact I claimed targeting two people that died and try to push a lynch with Half on me.
As for your question: mafia and scum tend to be interchangeable terms. Scum encompasses nontown though (so SKs, selfs pending perspectives, etc etc).
No, I haven't forgotten that you obtained your gun from targeting Kosa since he is a borg. Unlike you, none of my abilities give me the ability to kill. So when we talk about a SK being present in the game, you (along with Silver) were one of the people with a claimed way of being able to kill someone. At no point since that situation has it been brought up again despite their being a second kill floating around (like last night). Basically, you're hiding in plain sight.
As for me, sure, I could be lying and have an unclaimed kill ability if you don't believe me. The same applies to others (read: you) if you don't believe their claim as well.
I've touched on the mafia roleblocking partly already. It makes sense to me that if anyone would roleblock me, it would be scum with a roleblock as opposed to town with a roleblock. People who were town reading me or thought me less likely to be scum than others wouldn't target me given what I'd claim previously. After all, it would be a waste to block a [fake] JoAT that used all their one-shot abilities. Scum on the other hand, especially scum that know me from playing mafia games with me, would second guess town KoD's claim. The only one I can even remotely believe who would think like that would be you. As for other scenarios that may have occurred, do notice I'm working on the assumption that because my abilities failed I must have been roleblocked. I see no reason to assume other things like a partial role block (since all my abilities failed on you -- and I think I mentioned that I see no reason to assume someone gave you a shroud-like ability since no one claimed such an ability and Cyth is the only one with something like that in the first place. A roleblock seems much more likely.).
Targeting issues: I don't see this as a problem the way you do. I target a player and then use abilities. Whether or not you have latnium or loyalty abilities isn't necessary to me targeting you. Here is a good counter example: TS didn't have any latnium or loyalty abilities. I never received a failed action from blocking him with my roleblock ability. Nor did I receive a result confirming it worked mind you (I am never told the ability is successful so as to prevent me from garnering more info from it). If it worked on TS, which it did, then it would work on you minus the fact it failed and I was informed as such that the ability (both) failed. Same idea for the other ability. Even if you don't have any day abilities (and there is no way for us to know that), my ability would still resolve on you (the absence of the day abilities won't interfere with ability being used on you similar to my roleblock ability's use on TS). I feel completely confident that the abilities failing was a direct result of a roleblock as opposed to a targeting issue, otherwise I would have ran into this issue a long time ago (on the first night).
My escalation to roleblock, in your view and maybe others, could be seen as me trying to shrug off the possibility that I committed the kill. But that doesn't make sense. You think I'm the SK. As the SK rather than not claim a bunch of issues like targeting people that were killed and claiming being roleblocked, I decided to claim this all with the expressed intent of pushing your lynch. As the SK. Why? The approach is certainly not befitting a SK. It's befitting someone who is being upfront about everything.
@Cat:
I've already explained everything. First, the kills that happened on the people I targeted are easily explained as the mafia kills. Mind was the only kill on N2 right? It stands to reason he was the mafia kill (Shock and DV were still around so that's a fair assumption right?). So unless you want to say I am mafia for claiming to have targeted Mind, the only other explanation as to what happened is that I'm being honest in what I've stated. Meaning that what I've said about my abilities is true, but despite that my abilities don't prevent a night kill (in the case of Mind, my ability would have reduced his latnium by 2, then if he had no latnium remaining he would have been spared a death from having no latnium and lost all abilities and characteristics related to being Ferengi -- effectively he would be a vanilla town). I just got real unlucky targeting the same players twice in a row that the mafia targeted.
And don't even start trying to bandwagon on the flavor "mismatch". You can read from the short description of Mirror Universe Odo that he is a stickler for law, order, and obedience (I say law because of the rules he developed, and you can think of rules as being laws). It's not a stretch, given that my MU Odo replaced the normal universe's Odo, to come to the flavor result that is being presented by my role off of that.
As a by the by Cat, you're probably the last remaining scum (assuming there is a SK in this game and it is Half as opposed to 2 remaining scum). It hasn't been forgotten that your predecessor did try to use an ability on Silver that would have resulted in his death. The only saving grace for you here is dependent on how Half flips. I'll explain by asking Kosa a question.
@Kosa: You said your ability from having them in the network told you if they were of different alignments, right? Could, as an example, this trigger off of one being mafia and the other being a serial killer (self aligned)? I would assume so since self is its own alignment.
On the contrary Half. I'll leave the outguess the mod stuff to the side for now since talking about whether or not the mod crafted my role from various resources could lead to what I have. What I've claimed is applicable to both Odo's. I've claimed to be MU Odo who has replaced "this" universes Odo while maintaining genetic knowledge of how the Dominion functioned in my universe (that is, it sought to impose fair and just laws). MU Odo being in charge of a mining facility is a sure thing yes, but I replaced the normal Odo who is in charge of the post war Dominion. I can sit here and argue for hours over the flavor, but suffice it to say your focus on it does nothing to disprove what I've claimed about the flavor.
As for Brin, yes I claimed my abilities failed on you. On a night when two kills occurred (one on scum and one on town). Now as far as I am aware we haven't had anyone talking about abilities flat out failing. To my knowledge, Cyth is the only one who is even protected in such a way where a person using an ability on her would fail (I believe this happened with Kosa N1). I didn't target Cyth, and no one has claimed an ability to shield someone so the obvious conclusion for me to draw is that my abilities failing indicates I was roleblocked. All you're doing is speculating on other scenarios which are not as plausible given what we know is claimed.
Still, despite that you're entertaining I must be the SK despite me being honest before (referring to the fact that I did target TS and that I did cop his name correctly).
Taking everything I've told into account while considering what Kosa has brought up, I'm hardly the person of interest here. We've got 3 scum dead out of a 19 player game leaving us with either 2 mafia or 1 mafia and 1 sk/self. Out of everything claimed, you've claimed the ability to obtain a kill. A kill which mysteriously disappeared going into the next day. Whereas with me I've at least had 1 thing (implicitly/explicitly) verified wrt to what I was saying.
I'm willing to bet you're projecting as far as the SK thing goes.
What you consider to be a disconnect I consider to be an issue of outguessing the mod if you believe flavor would be that telling.
Flavor aside, I'm not even going to bother guessing what DV, as scum, was thinking. Fable I can reasonably manage to guess about, but ultimately with them being mafia their motives are unknown.
Wrt to me claiming Brin, why would I do that? Not only that, but how could I kill since I was roleblocked? Unless you're going to say that, despite everything I'm claiming, I'm lying about everything I'm claiming, then there is no leg for you stand on by throwing such an absurd accusation at me. You're the one who claimed an ability to generate a vig shot after all. I haven't claimed anything remotely close to vigging. The only thing that could be close to a kill ability for me would be my ability to reduce a target's latnium by 2 (if you believe my claim) while disbelieving that I am being honest about it preventing their death from having no latnium. Only then could you connect me to having killed Brin since I claimed targeting Brin.
Simply put, if I were an SK, it makes no sense for me to come out claiming all this stuff that puts me in a precarious position strictly for trying to push your lynch. The idea I'm a SK is bs.
At least that's better than, "omg you're totally scum since you told us you did this".
What exactly about my claims are not believable? That I claimed to have targeted each of the people I said I targeted with the abilities I've noted?
@Cyth:
Ok, at least you're not writing off what I've been saying concerning the context. That makes me happy.
*Takes out some catnip and leaves it on the ground.*
I'm not cat whisperer. I assume the two white balls means you believe both are possible. Which are you leaning towards more?
Don't throw that WIFOM crap at me. Practically all this whole game a majority of you have sat there talking about reading why a person would do what they did. Is it possible that as scum I could decide to go off the deep end and claim stuff in such a way that puts me in danger? Sure.
That being said, that's ignoring a LOT of context. That's ignoring that as scum, I could have played a safe route by keeping my mouth shut and not volunteering information. That's ignoring that, as town, I would willingly claim information to make sure things are at least accurate on my end to help solve the game state. Also, what you did D2 and what I've done are two different matters entirely. Yours was strictly a flavor issue with people being distrusting of borg. Mine is a mechanical issue where in I ended up targeting someone that ended up dead the next day.
And don't even get me started on who looks more town. For a majority of the game I was town read by practically everyone. You're going to tell me that I decided to willingly destroy how I was being town read by everyone by claiming information I didn't have to claim? And to gain what? Half's lynch like I kept pressing? Give me a break. I wasn't even being looked at for (idk even know what POE stands for) POE since we had like Tom, Cat, and Half before you'd even get to me if it would be me at all (I believe DV was even before me for some if not most people).
Concerning Kingmaker:
If, if Half is town and IF there is a SK present in the game along with 1 scum, then yes you're right. Effectively town would have no way to win, but at the moment that's something to be considered once we cross that bridge into that game state.
No, that is not why flavor. At least not entirely in the way you may be viewing it. Actually yeah, flavor (as far as story stuff) doesn't matter. What does matter is what I've claimed regarding my abilities. Note that I said one of my abilities interacted with Jem'Hadar and Vorta (to make it so they can't use day abilities). Remember I pursued Tom extremely hard and accused him of having a day ability to investigate someone for a name. I pursued tom because of this ability and because I was convinced Half was much more townie than tom was acting (and in a bubble, I still believe that). Tom flipped town though. That leaves Half. Not to mention that despite my fake claim, I ended up failing my abilities which, as I've said, makes me believe I was targeted by a role block. Half is the only person alive that has played multiple games with me. Everyone else hasn't. Based on what I had claimed, they didn't have any reason to necessarily believe I was lying about my claim. Half I do believe would question me (not to mention I seem to be similar to him in approaches if not in style).
Main point though is that my flavor hasn't had an impact on the game. The only impact "flavor-wise" would be the fact that an ability of mine seemingly indicated Tom and Half, and those are the two who I've pursued (also because of other circumstances mentioned already).
Might as well ask you as well.
What do you think about what I've claimed wrt to the two scenarios? Am I scum who willingly volunteered information when he didn't have to, or am I town who info dumped?
DV said what about mafia having no motives to kill them? He was scum, and likely didn't expect to die. What makes you think what he said should be taken at face value (in that mafia had no motive for killing "them")?
As for reading me, you've got two options. You read me as scum because of what you've already been talking about (that I targeted people that died therefore I must have been the one to kill them -- you already know my opinion on this). The other way is to read me as town on this because of what I've already explained concerning this. Matter of fact, did you even address what I said concerning that? I'm pretty sure I posed several questions to you about the motivation, as scum, for me claiming those targets when I could have been silent the entire time and never claimed them. After all, no one questioned my claim fake claim I made about having 3 one-shot abilities. Why not maintain that as opposed to claiming something entirely else that not only reveals more information about my role, but also directly links me to having targeted players that were killed on nights 2 and 3 (by my words I targeted them)?
It's no more complicated than that. You either believe what I'm saying, or you don't. If you don't believe me, then you must believe that I am scum who willingly claimed information when he didn't have to. If you do believe me, then I claimed said information with the express intent of showing my full hand with nothing else to hide per my own word while trying to push a lynch on Half.
In no way can Wheat ever be scum. Unless one of you found evidence to the contrary regarding what Killjoy confirmed in thread (note: I never bothered looking this up), Killjoy confirmed that Wheat was confirmed as town to him. Since Kill died as town, it stands to reason he was honest. Therefore Wheat is town for sure. Like, more sure than Cyth being town. That's how town Wheat is.
What about what I've claimed is convenient? If I'm the SK, you're asserting that I decided it was better for me to claim all this stuff that would make me potentially suspect as opposed to keeping quiet about it. And claiming all this to accomplish what? Pushing a lynch on Half? How is that a SK mentality?
@Cat:
Let's get on the same page. I'm not saying I have proof that I'm cleared 100% of Mind and Brin's deaths. I'm asserting that given what I've claimed, I am not the killer. That is what I'm saying. Nothing about my role allows me to kill anyone. Not even the latnium reduction ability. I cannot kill anyone. Therefore, despite Mind and Brin having died from me targeting them, it was not I who killed them. I'm saying it was the mafia.
Up to that point, are we on the same page?
Yes, I realize that is convenient. You also realize I didn't have to claim any of that at all, right? I never had to claim that I targeted Mind despite him having been killed. I could have just never said anything about that. Same thing with Brin. I never had to claim anything I claimed. I could have claimed multiple other things such as I targeted Wheat and used the character name he claimed or I targeted Tom and got the name he used. Not once was I forced into this position. I willingly volunteered the information because it is complete and accurate to the best of my knowledge (to the best of my knowledge because I do know my abilities failed on Half, but I am only speculating that it was due a role block that the abilities failed as that is the only scenario that makes the most reasonable sense to me).
No one accused me of anything Cat (unless you are talking about today in which case Half is asserting I am the SK). As I said above, I volunteered everything (including all the flavor stuff past just giving the name Odo to Half per his request for me to claim my flavor). With everything that I have claimed out in the open, now I've got someone (Half) postulating that I could have killed the likes of Brin (though nothing has been brought up yet concerning Mind, you have that right). Course with the way you seem to be thinking, you're not far off from the train of thought that just because I claimed to have targeted them and they died, that I must have killed them. Explain to me why would I bother claiming to have targeted them in the first place. What makes you think that I, as scum, would willingly decide to out myself in that way?
You're right about one thing. It certainly is interesting. As interesting as when DoTA targeted Silver to reduce his latnium when Silver claimed he would be using an ability which would reduce his latnium cost. At least with my situation it is open ended as to whether or not I used a potentially malicious ability compared to you confirming what DoTA (your role's predecessor) did.
Hold the phone. You say it wasn't a completely unrealistic thought that Silver was scum with the context of when DoTA made his night action. That early in the game, Silver was being town read by a lot of players and only had like one person that was like, "Are you the borg queen Silver huh huh are you???" It was unrealistic to view Silver as scum that early in the game. Your uninformed status concerning why DoTA did it hardly matters. Much in the same way that you seem to be glossing over the context of my situation and focusing on the implications, the same can be done for you wrt to DoTA's actions. More so because we knew (from what was claimed in those early days), that Silver would die with no latnium.
Besides, let's not forget what Kosa has claimed concerning you and Half. One of you is in a thread/QT/chat outside of what Kosa has you in. If you're town, then you should be focusing on Half to put him in the noose. Course if you're not town, then killing off Half puts you that much closer to getting lynched yourself. So it should go without saying that it is highly odd that you sit there and say, "If it helps the town I will take the noose," even though, if you're town, then you should know Half is scum based on what Kosa has claimed. Not to mention it is odd that you'd focus on me for what I've claimed despite looking at it in context. Perhaps you're trying to be opportunistic.
Either way, you've got a choice. Lynch Half with us, or continue to putz around talking about my flavor and the fact I claimed targeting two people that died and try to push a lynch with Half on me.
As for your question: mafia and scum tend to be interchangeable terms. Scum encompasses nontown though (so SKs, selfs pending perspectives, etc etc).
No, I haven't forgotten that you obtained your gun from targeting Kosa since he is a borg. Unlike you, none of my abilities give me the ability to kill. So when we talk about a SK being present in the game, you (along with Silver) were one of the people with a claimed way of being able to kill someone. At no point since that situation has it been brought up again despite their being a second kill floating around (like last night). Basically, you're hiding in plain sight.
As for me, sure, I could be lying and have an unclaimed kill ability if you don't believe me. The same applies to others (read: you) if you don't believe their claim as well.
I've touched on the mafia roleblocking partly already. It makes sense to me that if anyone would roleblock me, it would be scum with a roleblock as opposed to town with a roleblock. People who were town reading me or thought me less likely to be scum than others wouldn't target me given what I'd claim previously. After all, it would be a waste to block a [fake] JoAT that used all their one-shot abilities. Scum on the other hand, especially scum that know me from playing mafia games with me, would second guess town KoD's claim. The only one I can even remotely believe who would think like that would be you. As for other scenarios that may have occurred, do notice I'm working on the assumption that because my abilities failed I must have been roleblocked. I see no reason to assume other things like a partial role block (since all my abilities failed on you -- and I think I mentioned that I see no reason to assume someone gave you a shroud-like ability since no one claimed such an ability and Cyth is the only one with something like that in the first place. A roleblock seems much more likely.).
Targeting issues: I don't see this as a problem the way you do. I target a player and then use abilities. Whether or not you have latnium or loyalty abilities isn't necessary to me targeting you. Here is a good counter example: TS didn't have any latnium or loyalty abilities. I never received a failed action from blocking him with my roleblock ability. Nor did I receive a result confirming it worked mind you (I am never told the ability is successful so as to prevent me from garnering more info from it). If it worked on TS, which it did, then it would work on you minus the fact it failed and I was informed as such that the ability (both) failed. Same idea for the other ability. Even if you don't have any day abilities (and there is no way for us to know that), my ability would still resolve on you (the absence of the day abilities won't interfere with ability being used on you similar to my roleblock ability's use on TS). I feel completely confident that the abilities failing was a direct result of a roleblock as opposed to a targeting issue, otherwise I would have ran into this issue a long time ago (on the first night).
My escalation to roleblock, in your view and maybe others, could be seen as me trying to shrug off the possibility that I committed the kill. But that doesn't make sense. You think I'm the SK. As the SK rather than not claim a bunch of issues like targeting people that were killed and claiming being roleblocked, I decided to claim this all with the expressed intent of pushing your lynch. As the SK. Why? The approach is certainly not befitting a SK. It's befitting someone who is being upfront about everything.
@Cat:
I've already explained everything. First, the kills that happened on the people I targeted are easily explained as the mafia kills. Mind was the only kill on N2 right? It stands to reason he was the mafia kill (Shock and DV were still around so that's a fair assumption right?). So unless you want to say I am mafia for claiming to have targeted Mind, the only other explanation as to what happened is that I'm being honest in what I've stated. Meaning that what I've said about my abilities is true, but despite that my abilities don't prevent a night kill (in the case of Mind, my ability would have reduced his latnium by 2, then if he had no latnium remaining he would have been spared a death from having no latnium and lost all abilities and characteristics related to being Ferengi -- effectively he would be a vanilla town). I just got real unlucky targeting the same players twice in a row that the mafia targeted.
And don't even start trying to bandwagon on the flavor "mismatch". You can read from the short description of Mirror Universe Odo that he is a stickler for law, order, and obedience (I say law because of the rules he developed, and you can think of rules as being laws). It's not a stretch, given that my MU Odo replaced the normal universe's Odo, to come to the flavor result that is being presented by my role off of that.
As a by the by Cat, you're probably the last remaining scum (assuming there is a SK in this game and it is Half as opposed to 2 remaining scum). It hasn't been forgotten that your predecessor did try to use an ability on Silver that would have resulted in his death. The only saving grace for you here is dependent on how Half flips. I'll explain by asking Kosa a question.
@Kosa: You said your ability from having them in the network told you if they were of different alignments, right? Could, as an example, this trigger off of one being mafia and the other being a serial killer (self aligned)? I would assume so since self is its own alignment.
As for Brin, yes I claimed my abilities failed on you. On a night when two kills occurred (one on scum and one on town). Now as far as I am aware we haven't had anyone talking about abilities flat out failing. To my knowledge, Cyth is the only one who is even protected in such a way where a person using an ability on her would fail (I believe this happened with Kosa N1). I didn't target Cyth, and no one has claimed an ability to shield someone so the obvious conclusion for me to draw is that my abilities failing indicates I was roleblocked. All you're doing is speculating on other scenarios which are not as plausible given what we know is claimed.
Still, despite that you're entertaining I must be the SK despite me being honest before (referring to the fact that I did target TS and that I did cop his name correctly).
Taking everything I've told into account while considering what Kosa has brought up, I'm hardly the person of interest here. We've got 3 scum dead out of a 19 player game leaving us with either 2 mafia or 1 mafia and 1 sk/self. Out of everything claimed, you've claimed the ability to obtain a kill. A kill which mysteriously disappeared going into the next day. Whereas with me I've at least had 1 thing (implicitly/explicitly) verified wrt to what I was saying.
I'm willing to bet you're projecting as far as the SK thing goes.
If it's not, I'll eat my hat.
Flavor aside, I'm not even going to bother guessing what DV, as scum, was thinking. Fable I can reasonably manage to guess about, but ultimately with them being mafia their motives are unknown.
Wrt to me claiming Brin, why would I do that? Not only that, but how could I kill since I was roleblocked? Unless you're going to say that, despite everything I'm claiming, I'm lying about everything I'm claiming, then there is no leg for you stand on by throwing such an absurd accusation at me. You're the one who claimed an ability to generate a vig shot after all. I haven't claimed anything remotely close to vigging. The only thing that could be close to a kill ability for me would be my ability to reduce a target's latnium by 2 (if you believe my claim) while disbelieving that I am being honest about it preventing their death from having no latnium. Only then could you connect me to having killed Brin since I claimed targeting Brin.
Simply put, if I were an SK, it makes no sense for me to come out claiming all this stuff that puts me in a precarious position strictly for trying to push your lynch. The idea I'm a SK is bs.