GGz wolves played very well. Tom and Tammy had me pocketed hard for the vast majority of the game. Was kinda hoping me not putting in effort in f4 would have meant me making it to f3 because I did have a slight suspicion it was tammy after prophy was killed but it was not to be.
I'll probably deal with Axelrod's thoughts on Tammy later.
Right now I'm more focused on whether Fable or Tammy have any comments, thoughts on who the last scum because if neither of you do then I'd rather just get no lynching over with as opposed to waiting with a dumb look on my face for being to do something that isn't ever going to come. Axelrod, why haven't you responded to the points that I brought up at the beginning of the day?
Nope, see you f3.
Unless I'm killed of course but in that case lolwolves because that would mean tammy is still alive.
Nacho this might seem like a silly question but have you ever played a game where you were a wolf and tammy was a villager and tammy was NKed? Also has the reverse situation ever happened? I know this might seem ridiculous but I do know some people that hold off on killing a certain person as long as possible if at all when they rand wolf.
I've killed Tammy plenty as scum against her. She's killed me most times she's played scum against me. We typically don't kill each other Night 1, but after that, fair game.
Okay good to know.
So is majj on or do we have to wait until the deadline for the day to end?
Nacho this might seem like a silly question but have you ever played a game where you were a wolf and tammy was a villager and tammy was NKed? Also has the reverse situation ever happened? I know this might seem ridiculous but I do know some people that hold off on killing a certain person as long as possible if at all when they rand wolf.
I don't know. In a rapid reversal from a day ago, I think Hunt is the town here, while Matowar might actually be scum.
I want to figure out why Vaimes and I aren't on the same page, since we are usually in lock step when we are town together. Vaimes, why do you think tom is more fluffy than gamesolving? Apparently, ZDS and I disagree with you.
I would probably look at Seppel if Matowar flips town. He's been underwhelming me so far, despite sounding like he has conviction.
It's a bit too early for that though (like, if Matowar flips scum, it isn't a guarantee that this wagon has a scum on it). I could see Hunt as well if I squint? I'd like to trust in my tenuous townread of him though.
Vaimes, ZDS are lock town, even though I acknowledge that this wouldn't be too far off from ZDS's scum range.
Vaimes is a bad check, he's pretty obviously town.
I would check in tom/Nacho/Tammy, but it's pretty likely you'll get roleblocked or something since you claimed, so unsure how useful this exercise actually is?
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this is what you said.
explain it.
What is there to be explained? You were wrong on me in Twinborn, and you cased me there. You've cased Seppel in this game, and I think you're wrong (although since Citrus claimed you might be right if you are town, since I need to re-examine my townreads).
I'm trying to listen to Vaimes here, who says that you're likely to be scum, and I'm afraid of getting pocketed by you. Because if you're town, like I think you are, then who are the scum?
Like I said. SO MANY TOWNREADS.
ctrl+F=vaimes
lock clearing scum triggers me, is it possible that prophy was just pocketed really hard? I guess but other people were suspicious of vaimes over the course of the game and prophy not once ever readjusted his read instead he was willing to sheep him the entire time.
Went after seppel instead of vaimes because he engaged me more and was more aggressive, that's just kinda how that worked out.
Tammy's lurking bothered me because clearing a player only for them to disappear feels pretty bad. Not in a my read got worse kinda way but in a I wish this villager would help more kinda way.
So you liked Vaimes's aggression and you liked him engaging you but never mentioned it and didn't take him out of your scumreads or mention that your read on him had waned at all? Why?
You didn't clear Tammy, though; you explained to Seppel that you didn't really have a read on her but you thought that Seppel's/Vaimes's attacks were weak, so your explanation doesn't really mesh for me. She also posted two days before you voted her, so I don't really understand why you decided to vote her right then. I mean, I understand wanting more from someone, but "I put her on a timer to vote her" and then voting her doesn't really seem like "I want you to talk!" it seems like her lurking got out of hand and you voted her as a result. Do you see where I'm coming from with this?
First sentence is confusing for me.
I didn't like either of them, I'm saying seppel was more aggressive with me so he's the one I ended up tunneling whiel vaimes faded into the background a bit.
I said "I'm clearing tammy." that seems like me clearing her to me. Yes my read fluctuated at points but tammy was never not a villager for me, the vote was more out of frustration than anything else.
Seppel wasn't more aggressive with you around page 7, so you're remembering something wrong.
Fair point re: your townread on Tammy.
Could you now explain how you went from "Tammy is town!" to voting Tammy in 24 hours? Did her being gone for one more day really bother you that much?
First point is subjective.
As for tammy yeah it bothered me that much, I thought the pace of the game was gonna be faster than it ended up being and that factored into it for sure and I of course value the opinion's of people I clear above everyone else , knowing what I know now I probably wouldn't have done it.
Ts replaced out because of stmu, not this game. Or at least it seems that way.
Tbh, I didn't reread mindscrew after I discovered that. Sort of thought I was done with ts forever
But anyway...
I don't believe that him being, well, TS is effected by having buddies.
I do remember him pushing hans pretty hard though.
I don't see anything in that interaction that couldn't be faked, and fairly little that even had to be.
Everyone is affected by having buddies; the win conditions as town and scum are completely different and regardless of whether you see your buddies as stepping stones to victory or teammates, you still view them some way. I remember him pushing hans for being a ridiculous person who lurked the ***** out of that game, but I don't remember an emotional edge there. There was most definitely an emotional edge here.
The part of the interaction that was strange to fake was Vaimes's side; Vaimes lashed out first, TS responded back, then Vaimes silenced the interaction early. If the idea was to make the scum-scum interaction believable, cutting it off too early didn't make sense. If it was genuine frustration on Vaimes's side, then lashing out at TS for no reason doesn't really make sense from his side (I wouldn't argue this if it was the other way around) unless it was a conversation that was carried over from the scum QT, in which case I can't understand why he wouldn't keep it there unless faking interactions.
Also, if this conversation is boring you, feel free to defend Fable who is confirmed town in your eyes and who I am currently tunneling the hell out of.
Went after seppel instead of vaimes because he engaged me more and was more aggressive, that's just kinda how that worked out.
Tammy's lurking bothered me because clearing a player only for them to disappear feels pretty bad. Not in a my read got worse kinda way but in a I wish this villager would help more kinda way.
So you liked Vaimes's aggression and you liked him engaging you but never mentioned it and didn't take him out of your scumreads or mention that your read on him had waned at all? Why?
You didn't clear Tammy, though; you explained to Seppel that you didn't really have a read on her but you thought that Seppel's/Vaimes's attacks were weak, so your explanation doesn't really mesh for me. She also posted two days before you voted her, so I don't really understand why you decided to vote her right then. I mean, I understand wanting more from someone, but "I put her on a timer to vote her" and then voting her doesn't really seem like "I want you to talk!" it seems like her lurking got out of hand and you voted her as a result. Do you see where I'm coming from with this?
First sentence is confusing for me.
I didn't like either of them, I'm saying seppel was more aggressive with me so he's the one I ended up tunneling whiel vaimes faded into the background a bit.
I said "I'm clearing tammy." that seems like me clearing her to me. Yes my read fluctuated at points but tammy was never not a villager for me, the vote was more out of frustration than anything else.
Nope, see you f3.
Unless I'm killed of course but in that case lolwolves because that would mean tammy is still alive.
Still thinking axel as of right now
Okay good to know.
So is majj on or do we have to wait until the deadline for the day to end?
vote:no lynch
I understand that this may not be needed but I tend to be a risk adverse player.
I think prophy being mostly silent at EoD looks bad for him personally. So if the game isn't over I still look there I think.
ctrl+F=vaimes
lock clearing scum triggers me, is it possible that prophy was just pocketed really hard? I guess but other people were suspicious of vaimes over the course of the game and prophy not once ever readjusted his read instead he was willing to sheep him the entire time.
As for tammy yeah it bothered me that much, I thought the pace of the game was gonna be faster than it ended up being and that factored into it for sure and I of course value the opinion's of people I clear above everyone else , knowing what I know now I probably wouldn't have done it.
I didn't like either of them, I'm saying seppel was more aggressive with me so he's the one I ended up tunneling whiel vaimes faded into the background a bit.
I said "I'm clearing tammy." that seems like me clearing her to me. Yes my read fluctuated at points but tammy was never not a villager for me, the vote was more out of frustration than anything else.