Huhh, it either must have been a local thing or I may be getting mixed up. I even looked at a couple top lists around 2012 and I didnt see birds. I swore I remember seeing it 4-5 years ago before Deathrite got printed. My bad, Ill take that particular statement back then.
Overall though, I agree with your statement Foodchains, its a superpowerful card that provides tremendous value, but is not a game ender. Im just sick of people treating the card like its a subpar card.
I think the card is very comparable to Collected Company. The mana cost is the same, the variance is similar, and the deck construction built has to be somewhat built around the card. This is the type of card that Wizards loves for Modern - a card that has variance and can hit anything from 1 Birds of Paradise to 2 Knight of the Reliquary.
I know we've all heard it before, but it's certainly true - Bloodbraid Elf died for Deathrite Shaman's sins. I certainly don't mind seeing Jund taken down a notch, but Bloodbraid Elf is not a problem in today's Modern, even less so now that Eldrazi Tron is also a deck.
*Don't get me wrong. Bloodbraid Elf can enable some pretty sick plays like a turn 4 BBE into Liliana of the Veil. But there are also plays like Bloodbraid Elf on an empty board into creature removal or Bloodbraid Elf into Thoughtseize/IoK with your opponent hellbent. Bloodbraid Elf doesn't get you out of most situations that E Tron or Grixis Shadow would have you in by that turn. If you do decide to play mana dorks, that's fine. Come to terms that you will cascade into mana dorks some number of the time.
I agree with most of what you said. I wasn't trying to avicate BBE to stay on the banlist. I'm just sick of people on here and in my LGS pretending the BBE's power level is low.
I compared a turn 3 Coco and Karn to a turn 4 BBE because Coco decks are designed to play Coco on turn 3 and Tron decks are designed to play Karn on turn 3 whereas Jund would play BBE on turn 4.
Come on now, lets stop pretending that Jund wasn't able to cast BBE on turn 3 within a consistent matter. Even before return to ravnica, Jund was using Birds of paradise in order to cast BBE on turn 3. I think youre underestimating just how good Jund was back when BBE was banned.
And BBE isn't just good in any list. Wizards specifically banned it because they wanted to ban a card that saw a lot of play in Jund and not other decks. That, along with DRS being in standard is the reason DRS didn't get the ban, even though DRS was clearly stronger and clearly the card that made Jund too powerful, which is why they still had to ban t later.
You really think decks like dredge, Scapeshift, DS Jund, and living end would play BBE?
I think that if BBE was never unbanned, the format would look completely different. I just think that cascade is that powerful of an ability.
I would like to see every ban card get unban just to see what the format would really look like. A lot of the cards were ban so early in the creation of the format, so who knows. Did the unban of Bitterblossom hurt the format? has Ancestral visions broke the format? No!
No, but the unbanning of Hypergenesis and Cloudpost would obliterate the format. If this is what you really want, it sounds like you would prefer legacy as a format.
I've been playing Jund since the start of Modern and I've never come across a list running Birds. It never happened, at least not competitively.
On a more on topic note. Those saying that BBE wouldn't see play are kidding themselves. BBE is strong against Big mana heavy metas which was the main reason why Jund has been having issues lately. Alternatively, those suggesting that BBE is broken are also kidding themselves. If ever there were a time to unban a card to help a deck out it's now and it's BBE. Jund Midrange is at the bottom of Tier 3, it needs help.
Birds of Paradise was never played in Jund globally. That may have been a local thing. How do I know? I've been battling Jund since the beginning (actually ever since Standard). It was fun interacting with Bloodbraid Elf, a super powerful card, but certainly not a game ender.
So, talking about unbanning everything and seeing how it works... No Banned-List Modern is a thing.
So, if we start with a scale where Modern Affinity as it is now is a 1, Affinity without a banned list might be a 1.3.
Cloudpost is a 5. Hypergenesis is 9. Belcher, which would also become playable is probably also a 5.
The aggro decks would definitely be better than they are now, and in No Banned List Modern they aren't bad. But they're bringing a gun to a nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile fight against Hypergenesis, Cloudpost, Belcher, and Blazing Shoal Infect.
I've seen the results of some of these tournaments and Affinity had been one of the top decks. Some of the fair GBx decks and Pyro Clamp decks also really get it done. Now I know these formats haven't really been tested much, so there's not much to the results. But I still feel like Affinity would be one of the most powerful decks. I do feel like Eldrazi with Eye is just THE best deck hands down. It's tough to envision any deck beating that.
Huhh, it either must have been a local thing or I may be getting mixed up. I even looked at a couple top lists around 2012 and I didnt see birds. I swore I remember seeing it 4-5 years ago before Deathrite got printed. My bad, Ill take that particular statement back then.
Overall though, I agree with your statement Foodchains, its a superpowerful card that provides tremendous value, but is not a game ender. Im just sick of people treating the card like its a subpar card.
One way or another, Big mana/Eldrazi would immediately take over the format, and that is a format that I would rather not expirience.
I compared a turn 3 Coco and Karn to a turn 4 BBE because Coco decks are designed to play Coco on turn 3 and Tron decks are designed to play Karn on turn 3 whereas Jund would play BBE on turn 4.
Come on now, lets stop pretending that Jund wasn't able to cast BBE on turn 3 within a consistent matter. Even before return to ravnica, Jund was using Birds of paradise in order to cast BBE on turn 3. I think youre underestimating just how good Jund was back when BBE was banned.
And BBE isn't just good in any list. Wizards specifically banned it because they wanted to ban a card that saw a lot of play in Jund and not other decks. That, along with DRS being in standard is the reason DRS didn't get the ban, even though DRS was clearly stronger and clearly the card that made Jund too powerful, which is why they still had to ban t later.
You really think decks like dredge, Scapeshift, DS Jund, and living end would play BBE?
I think that if BBE was never unbanned, the format would look completely different. I just think that cascade is that powerful of an ability.
I would like to see every ban card get unban just to see what the format would really look like. A lot of the cards were ban so early in the creation of the format, so who knows. Did the unban of Bitterblossom hurt the format? has Ancestral visions broke the format? No!
No, but the unbanning of Hypergenesis and Cloudpost would obliterate the format. If this is what you really want, it sounds like you would prefer legacy as a format.
What's more powerful, a turn 4 Reality Smasher or a turn 4 BBE?
Id say they are quite equal. Bloodbraid elf has higher varience, but both are still strong. Id say that you need more setup for reality smasher than BBE though.
What's more powerful, a turn 3 Coco or a turn 4 BBE?
Why are you comparing a turn 3 collected company to a turn 4 BBE? Wouldnt it make more sense to compare a turn 3 COCO to a turn 3 BBE? Anyways, Id say that COCO has higher upside, but you need to build your deck around it. BBE can be put into any Green/Red deck and still be great.
What's more powerful, a turn 3 Karn or a turn 4 BBE?
Again, why are you comparing a turn 3 karn liberated to a turn 4 BBE? For a turn 3 karn, you need a very damn good opening hand. Its possible, and it happens more times against me that I wish it would, but a turn 3 BBE is much easier to accomplish than a turn 3 Karn.
Collected Company is a more powerful card because you can cast it at instant speed and choose the targets. BBE into discard when the opponent has no cards in hand or removal that doesn't hit is very weak.
You can wiff with CoCo. You have to try really hard to wiff with BBE. Also, people need to stop making this argument about BBE. Its like casting Serum Visions in order to find an answer, but drawing a land. Does that mean that serum visions bad? No it doesnt. The upside that comes with BBE heavily outweights the downside of it. Also, if you cascade into a thoughtsieze and your opponment has no cards in his hand, that usually means you are winning.
The card costs 80 cents for a reason. Jund midrange is tier 3. The card never should have been banned in the first place. This is ridiculous.
Price doesnt mean anything when it comes to power level. I laugh at Jund players who complain that thier deck isnt top teir anymore. The deck has been prevelant ever since the inception of modern, and now that their deck isnt that good, they act like the sky is falling. I am not suggesting that BBE is stay in the ban list(I am neutral when it comes down to it), but I'm tired of people pretending that BBE is a terrible card.
Why is it that every single time there is a new ban list thread up, Splinter Twin always dominates the thread? Seriously, its been over a year, get over it. I am so sick of reading the same freaking thing over and over about Twin.
Anyways, no bans is the best thing they could have done. The format is in a good place right now. I wouldn't expect any unbans or bans anytime soon unless something ridiculous gets printed.
Would people say the format is healthy if aggro decks were 5% of the meta? If mid-range decks were 5%? Sure, the format has a plethora of aggro and big-mana decks, but mid-range is getting bumped down and control is irrelevant. That's an issue. It's not Eldrazi Winter, but let's stop pretending everything is hunky-dory.
I see alot of different and unique decks that are viable right now. Too me, that is a healthy format. I would rather have 10 aggro decks, 1 control deck, and 1 combo deck than 1 aggro deck, 1 control deck, and 1 combo deck(kind of like what standard is now). I don't care whether the 3 styles of decks are equally represented.
It's always the same in these ban related topics.
I come to see if I can catch something useful but before I know it the only thing being discussed is the Twin ban and how bad blue is.
Come on guys come up with something original because this is taking the piss.
Thank you. I read these forums to read other peoples perspectives on Modern. It gets really tiring of reading about twin, and its not even different people complaining about it. Its the same freaking people saying the same thing over, and over again.
Why is it that every single time there is a new ban list thread up, Splinter Twin always dominates the thread? Seriously, its been over a year, get over it. I am so sick of reading the same freaking thing over and over about Twin.
Anyways, no bans is the best thing they could have done. The format is in a good place right now. I wouldn't expect any unbans or bans anytime soon unless something ridiculous gets printed.
I laughed pretty hard when I saw the title. The idea that EDH is a healthy format is ridiculous to me.
I'm sorry, but this video just seems like a whole bunch of hyperbole to me. I feel like this is a tad bit of an overreaction. Standard is still trying to solve itself because of the bannings. Modern is diverse, and balanced. His complaint about pauper was ridiculous. Vintage is accessible online, and the decks that are good are nearly endless. People seriously need to take a freaking chill pill now. Magic isn't going anywhere, and these formats are not going anywhere.
I think the issues plaguing Modern are an issue with all of Magic. The whole game seems to have been mismanaged for a while now. They say powerful reprints ruin standard, citing Thoughtseize. They look past the fact they printed Pack Rat, Abrupt Decay, Lifebane Zombie, Desecration Demon and Gray Merchant of Asphodel in the same standard. They then say reprinting Liliana of the Veil couldn't be reprinted, saying she was just too strong, while again ignoring the Bx devotion monster they created. Instead, Modern is supported by it's own supplementary set every two years. Sounds fantastic until you realize that they are more worried about draft and sealed than actually reprinting relevant Modern cards. Now we get masterpiece reprints that are supposed to support the eternal formats while being rarer than Mythics. Makes perfect sense am I right?
Take that in hand with the ever decreasing amount of high level tournaments, the ban mania Wizards has created, and you have what looks to be a really big issue for the future health of the format many of us love and enjoy.
If they didn't reprint Liliana of the Veil because they were worried that it was going to make Bx Devotion decks stronger, then can you really say that they were ignoring the deck? They tried solving the Thoughtseize problem by doing what they usually do, wait it out. Would you rather have them ban the card?
Modern Masters 2015 still was a great set. It was awesome to draft, and it had alot of great cards in it. People seriously need to stop complaining about it. We get it, its not as powerful as Modern Masters 2013. That still doesn't mean its not a good set.
''Based on this feedback and combined with the fact that we are looking at ways to highlight more current formats (i.e. formats based on current sets and accessible to all), we will be making the change back to Standard as the Constructed format that will be supported by the 2017 World Magic Cup.''
Maybe if you actually tried to make Modern accessible instead of printing garbage like MM2015 people will care about it more. I just can't believe this logic. I guess we have to brace ourselves for another failure of a set with the next MM.
Lol, give me a freaking break. MM2015 was just fine, and it reprinted alot of good cards. Also, Modern is accessible. Its easy to find all the pieces to each deck and has alot of decks at various prices.
I understand that Standard and Limited make Wizards the most money, but why are they so insistent on cutting support of all the eternal formats? Why not create a different type of tournament/league that is meant for eternal formats?
FoF would be nice. I don't think any list should play more than 2 because there is only so many 4+ CMC cards you can play and Cryptic is still real good (since our 2 mana counters are so bad oddly enough). Maybe you could play 3 in a Torrential Gearhulk build, but you'd have to really make your other spells very mana efficient. It's a card that I think would definitely make Ux control decks better, but not some OP non-sense lol. I don't even think DTT would do that. In fact, I think DTT is about the proper power-level for a CA effect that Control wants. (Maybe a little weaker with Accumulated Knowledge or an easy to trigger Predict -- Revolt predict would be fantastic; Cycle, if Revolt draw 2)
I think the point Shmanka is making is that Green's effects that are legal that are similar to U effects are just more powerful. They may not be as universal, but they're more powerful, and in a format like Modern that matters a lot. I think this is a travesty to be honest and the fact WoTC is apparently OK with this is appalling. (or maybe that's just my general hatred for Green, regardless...)
Hold on now, I wouldn't say that Collected Company is a better card than Fact or Fiction. Although there is upside to it, Company requires to be built around while Fof can be inserted in any blue deck and still be good. Plus, you technically cant whiff on a Fof, while you can whif on a Company.
While I don't disagree that Emrakul was oppressive last standard, I really hate how those bannings have changed community's expectations around bannings in standard. We went from an understanding that bans are rare and at last resort to people wanting the top deck from week to week to get their flagship card banned.
I personally think that people are just heavily overreacting about the bans. Seriously guys, at least give it a couple weeks. We just got done with the pro tour.
I play U/W control, and a Fact or Fiction reprint would get me very excited. Being able to refill my hand easily like that would do wonders for the deck.
I think you are really underestimating just how powerful Fact or Fiction. Unlike Collected Company, Fact or Fiction has a wider range of decks it can go into. It definitely boost the power of blue in my opinion.
Why does it matter if it didn't have a huge impact in Overextended? Modern is a completely different formant that Overextended was 5 years ago.
Dude, the Vehicles stay on the board and players can just hold a dude in hand. They'll cast a dude after you sweep the board and or bring back the Scrounger at the end step. Sweepers are not the answer to this deck, it wasn't least season either.
You run artifact removal for the vehicles. My point is that the deck can be hated out. However there isn't much left, variety wise, to use.
Let's just be honest and say that vehicles were a mistake. Just like Delve, Phyrexian mana, Dredge, Affinity, and so on.
Welcome to the New World Order that is full of garbage commons and uncommons to supposedly make draft better. Which is a joke. People are just too dumb to realized that WotC is using that to push all chase cards into Mythic so they sell packs.
The game is losing players at an alarming rate and the future sets dont look to be better as they were made by the same clowns that put the last set together.
I mean it may not be their fault as the plan was to go on a 18 month set cycle. I'm sure this messed up the development of sets. However we currently only have 6 sets so that's not really true.
Lol, relax. The sky is not falling. Vehicles is not as busted as phyrexian mana and delve was. There is hate and the format will stabilize.
So then it looks like two likely potential situations: 1) The Standard meta has not been figured out yet, and the PT was simply too many players preparing against the CopyCat combo or 2) This is really going to be one of the most un-diverse Standards ever.
I think its options 1 and 2. Too many people felt the hype for copy cat in this pro tour. I'm sure standard will stabilize within a couple weeks.
They should just unban Emmy and copter, close their eyes, cover their ears and, until the rotation, think about how they screwed up same standard 2 times.
Screw that. Emmy made standard a disaster. The best thing Wizards did for this rotation of standard is ban that God forsaken card.
Most players that keep up with standard either do constructed, which means they got a rotation built up, or they are playing limited and don't care at all about the card rotation since they just pick up a new box set. It's a different pay model and you can't compare the two like they are apples and apples. It's more like apples and bananas. Some people like bananas, others like apples. The point is that while someone playing modern looks over the fence and sees the decks can be 400 usd and are like "it's only 100 more or so for modern!" it's not really like that. It's more like the standard player has about 200-250 usd of that deck already bought up if they were going to play it or are actively going to trade in for store credit and make that cost more like three hundred, and that is a very unique edge case. Decks in standard are rarely 300-400 usd and even when they are they aren't that much for the people that play standard.
You are underestimating standard players. Most of those standard players know how much a top tier deck costs in modern, and they also know that there are cheaper alternatives if they want to get into Modern. Its like if I only played modern and I wanted to try standard. I can go on MTGGoldfish or other magic websites and see what decks I can make for cheap and still compete.
Why do people in the modern forum think that honestly matters? It's about the now, not the total.
Well, people here can live in that world while I live in the real world where people keep going for payment plans, subscriptions, and down payments over lump sums. Unless you are suggesting that game stores will start offering payment plans for buying an entire modern jund deck? I'm totally for that idea because people could pay like 20 bucks a month for about 6+ years with interest and finish paying it off when they feel the cost gets low enough. If it's a cheaper deck they could probably pull it off in about 3-4 years.
As far as the pro tour goes, I'm just saying people who want a pro tour for modern should be careful what they wish for. The format already has wizards giving it a thumbs up and has been for a while and the last time they did it was basically the start of everyones woes with the game right now. Best to leave sleeping dogs lay.
These are cases off the top of my head where a Pro Tour for modern would make sense:
1) WoTC releases MTG digital next and wants to promote modern for the online version.
2) WoTC wants to push some new modern specific product, think commander style decks of famous archetypes that are VPN store products or something similar.
3) WoTC has started up a lower cost modern style draft format that has a 99 msrp box set and wants to push that format.
4) WoTC is trying to kick start modern again after doing major reprintings peppered across a two year time span across all of their product line since it will coincidently also boost sales of the next standard set.
I just don't see it happening otherwise.
You fail to understand that new modern players can buy other cheaper decks and still compete. Let me make a quick comparison. When you bought your first car when you were 16, did you buy a brand new car, or did you go on craigslist or the local car dealership to buy a cheap car? New players do not have to buy expensive decks like Jund in order to participate in modern, just like a new driver doesn't need an expensive car to drive
I hope your kidding with the payment plans. If you think the magic market is bad now, it would get a lot worse if stores had some sort of credit system.
So I believe this post would belong in this thread, because I think the topic relates to the formats health; Should we bring back the Modern Pro Tour?
I hear complaints about this Standard as well, and the Twitch numbers are in. Generally peak numbers for the Pro Tour have happened already at this point, and the last Modern Pro Tour had just over 28,000 viewers, they can barely stay afloat of 15,000 viewers for this event. It seems as "stale" as Modern was, it's better than crap Standard, and the viewers look like they agree. It's not like they are gonna change their mentality on our banned list anyway, might as well have extra exposure?
I wish they would bring it back, or at least create a Modern league. Some of the best matches I have ever seen in a pro tour is from modern events.
Yes, the should reinstate the Modern Pro Tour if they actually want to push MAGIC. Modern was never stale in the first place. More sets = more decks, and yes, sets do add to Modern, I had made a list to bring to the next discussion on this, but SEVERAL decks would not even exist, even at Tier 1, without sets since Theros!
Bring back the Modern Pro Tour, and let us play the game. Dont manage it with 'shake up bans' actually trust in your product and show what Magic can be.
They could, but I got a feeling they wont bring it back without scorching the earth in some way with certain groups of people. The format is too inaccessible for most players to buy into so it turns into this entire argument of what the heck they are promoting with the promotional tour, thus the only way they could bring it back is if they are doing draft runs of Modern Masters or have seriously altered the reprint policy. We're talking massive reprinting peppered throughout the standard and casual products along with pushing far more modern specific products and doing so over the course of at least a two year period.
Without doing something like the above there's no reason to make a modern pro-tour because people will see these great cards, go try to buy them, and get walled by 60+ usd Noble Hierarch, Verdant Catacombs, etc. There's basically very few budget friendly decks that make the list and even those typically cost 500-600 usd like merfolk. Most standard players pay probably 60-80 usd to upgrade some existing deck each season until the big rotation hits. If they are more competitive it may be 100-180 usd. They just aren't used to dumping 500+ usd all at once just to play one deck when they hardly get that kind of return already on a standard deck costing a fraction of the cost.
Ohh come on now, people who are watching the pro tour know that a tier one modern deck is going to be expensive. They should also know that there are other cheaper decks they can buy in order to get started in Modern.
I agree with most of what you said. I wasn't trying to avicate BBE to stay on the banlist. I'm just sick of people on here and in my LGS pretending the BBE's power level is low.
Huhh, it either must have been a local thing or I may be getting mixed up. I even looked at a couple top lists around 2012 and I didnt see birds. I swore I remember seeing it 4-5 years ago before Deathrite got printed. My bad, Ill take that particular statement back then.
Overall though, I agree with your statement Foodchains, its a superpowerful card that provides tremendous value, but is not a game ender. Im just sick of people treating the card like its a subpar card.
One way or another, Big mana/Eldrazi would immediately take over the format, and that is a format that I would rather not expirience.
Come on now, lets stop pretending that Jund wasn't able to cast BBE on turn 3 within a consistent matter. Even before return to ravnica, Jund was using Birds of paradise in order to cast BBE on turn 3. I think youre underestimating just how good Jund was back when BBE was banned.
I think that if BBE was never unbanned, the format would look completely different. I just think that cascade is that powerful of an ability.
No, but the unbanning of Hypergenesis and Cloudpost would obliterate the format. If this is what you really want, it sounds like you would prefer legacy as a format.
Id say they are quite equal. Bloodbraid elf has higher varience, but both are still strong. Id say that you need more setup for reality smasher than BBE though.
Why are you comparing a turn 3 collected company to a turn 4 BBE? Wouldnt it make more sense to compare a turn 3 COCO to a turn 3 BBE? Anyways, Id say that COCO has higher upside, but you need to build your deck around it. BBE can be put into any Green/Red deck and still be great.
Again, why are you comparing a turn 3 karn liberated to a turn 4 BBE? For a turn 3 karn, you need a very damn good opening hand. Its possible, and it happens more times against me that I wish it would, but a turn 3 BBE is much easier to accomplish than a turn 3 Karn.
You can wiff with CoCo. You have to try really hard to wiff with BBE. Also, people need to stop making this argument about BBE. Its like casting Serum Visions in order to find an answer, but drawing a land. Does that mean that serum visions bad? No it doesnt. The upside that comes with BBE heavily outweights the downside of it. Also, if you cascade into a thoughtsieze and your opponment has no cards in his hand, that usually means you are winning.
Price doesnt mean anything when it comes to power level. I laugh at Jund players who complain that thier deck isnt top teir anymore. The deck has been prevelant ever since the inception of modern, and now that their deck isnt that good, they act like the sky is falling. I am not suggesting that BBE is stay in the ban list(I am neutral when it comes down to it), but I'm tired of people pretending that BBE is a terrible card.
I see alot of different and unique decks that are viable right now. Too me, that is a healthy format. I would rather have 10 aggro decks, 1 control deck, and 1 combo deck than 1 aggro deck, 1 control deck, and 1 combo deck(kind of like what standard is now). I don't care whether the 3 styles of decks are equally represented.
Thank you. I read these forums to read other peoples perspectives on Modern. It gets really tiring of reading about twin, and its not even different people complaining about it. Its the same freaking people saying the same thing over, and over again.
Anyways, no bans is the best thing they could have done. The format is in a good place right now. I wouldn't expect any unbans or bans anytime soon unless something ridiculous gets printed.
I laughed pretty hard when I saw the title. The idea that EDH is a healthy format is ridiculous to me.
I'm sorry, but this video just seems like a whole bunch of hyperbole to me. I feel like this is a tad bit of an overreaction. Standard is still trying to solve itself because of the bannings. Modern is diverse, and balanced. His complaint about pauper was ridiculous. Vintage is accessible online, and the decks that are good are nearly endless. People seriously need to take a freaking chill pill now. Magic isn't going anywhere, and these formats are not going anywhere.
If they didn't reprint Liliana of the Veil because they were worried that it was going to make Bx Devotion decks stronger, then can you really say that they were ignoring the deck? They tried solving the Thoughtseize problem by doing what they usually do, wait it out. Would you rather have them ban the card?
Modern Masters 2015 still was a great set. It was awesome to draft, and it had alot of great cards in it. People seriously need to stop complaining about it. We get it, its not as powerful as Modern Masters 2013. That still doesn't mean its not a good set.
"My LGS has been losing players for FNM, so that means that all other LGS have been losing players."
Lol, give me a freaking break. MM2015 was just fine, and it reprinted alot of good cards. Also, Modern is accessible. Its easy to find all the pieces to each deck and has alot of decks at various prices.
I understand that Standard and Limited make Wizards the most money, but why are they so insistent on cutting support of all the eternal formats? Why not create a different type of tournament/league that is meant for eternal formats?
Hold on now, I wouldn't say that Collected Company is a better card than Fact or Fiction. Although there is upside to it, Company requires to be built around while Fof can be inserted in any blue deck and still be good. Plus, you technically cant whiff on a Fof, while you can whif on a Company.
I personally think that people are just heavily overreacting about the bans. Seriously guys, at least give it a couple weeks. We just got done with the pro tour.
I think you are really underestimating just how powerful Fact or Fiction. Unlike Collected Company, Fact or Fiction has a wider range of decks it can go into. It definitely boost the power of blue in my opinion.
Why does it matter if it didn't have a huge impact in Overextended? Modern is a completely different formant that Overextended was 5 years ago.
Lol, relax. The sky is not falling. Vehicles is not as busted as phyrexian mana and delve was. There is hate and the format will stabilize.
I think its options 1 and 2. Too many people felt the hype for copy cat in this pro tour. I'm sure standard will stabilize within a couple weeks.
Screw that. Emmy made standard a disaster. The best thing Wizards did for this rotation of standard is ban that God forsaken card.
You are underestimating standard players. Most of those standard players know how much a top tier deck costs in modern, and they also know that there are cheaper alternatives if they want to get into Modern. Its like if I only played modern and I wanted to try standard. I can go on MTGGoldfish or other magic websites and see what decks I can make for cheap and still compete.
You fail to understand that new modern players can buy other cheaper decks and still compete. Let me make a quick comparison. When you bought your first car when you were 16, did you buy a brand new car, or did you go on craigslist or the local car dealership to buy a cheap car? New players do not have to buy expensive decks like Jund in order to participate in modern, just like a new driver doesn't need an expensive car to drive
I hope your kidding with the payment plans. If you think the magic market is bad now, it would get a lot worse if stores had some sort of credit system.
I wish they would bring it back, or at least create a Modern league. Some of the best matches I have ever seen in a pro tour is from modern events.
Ohh come on now, people who are watching the pro tour know that a tier one modern deck is going to be expensive. They should also know that there are other cheaper decks they can buy in order to get started in Modern.