what about Saheeli, Artífice Sublime over Sai in this build?
I know fly of the thopter is good, but saheeli sometimes is hard to remove then a creature and can copy karnstructor to beatdown
[quote from="ghgiunco »" url="/forums/the-game/standard-type-2/deck-creation-standard/804620-vannifar-the-return-of-pod?comment=69"]Hmm. Play good cards and win? Genius!
Sure, you go ahead and 4-0 FNM. Meanwhile, I will be going 1-3 with five color Vannifar featuring Niv-Mizzet Reborn and Chromatic Lantern. My one victory? Opponent got mana screwed two games out of three.
Not true for all time. Artifact decks is my favorite no matter the tier, my pet deck before rotate was UB improvise. I think FNM's best friends is rogue decks, i love it, some weeks agora i play with 4C rampage the clans xD. If you remember me, i'n the guy who tried Grixis Pirate early ixalan xD. Fully support all kind of try to have fun in FNM.
I rly like this bant list, but i start to think at least temur must be best shell cause have acess to Rhythm of the Wild. And this boar god seens so strong, with rhonas omg. I like Roalesk too and fit in a temur shell and Fblthp, the Lost too. Maybe Zegana wins a chance here with Roalesk give counter to suport zegana's trample and rhonas buff ? (i belive in magical christimas too xD)
Interesting. Thanks for sharing. Hope test it someday. Maybe spark give some tools. but now, the new Tezzeret and friends is my first choise to build now haha
i have the same question on engineered explosives. how it goes? the best use? have some number of counter that is good (0,2) but we have in number on deck ... maybe same on Chalice, i feel it's kind of awkward sometimes.
The only spell i use is Quasiduplicate, thats divide me, all the time i thought of to cut, this wins me a game, copying a Plaguecraft or a hostage taker, chupacabra. But as i told in past post in here, maybe we need more playset of must answer thread (preferably evasive) to not be so easy for opponent choose how control us.
I don't recommend even that for control-heavy metas. In addition, the version I played had basically no disruption, and I think that was ineffective.
this defines the deck stats. Vannifar it was to be my main deck for this std, but this stupid Esper control for all around (just yesterday on showdown had 3 of them), its impossible to play with it, so sad, cause is so funny to play with vannifar.
Given that, I may try a more sultai land base and put in some Vraska, Golgari Queen to do the same role.
I rly like idea to use Vraska here. AB on a stick and can give card advantage and life in +2 and another wincon .. seens fine. Just to confirm: its goes to the side? Can give me the last list, will appreciate this.
Then you say to play a G1 like an all-in combo and after side with more controlish pieces if we need?
Someone can show me the most att list? Have some list with chalice on board?
I played the Zac list this past weekend, i win most G1, but no luk on other games.
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On opal: Free mana is a mistake that the wizz itself, and we all know, and all B&R say mox and stirrings is on the target ... if the "new kci" start to make results, i believe in a preventive ban. Mox is too expansive to acquire in this enviroment for now IMO. will wait till next announcement.
Hi all.
Recently (most precise yesterday haha) i decide to put the cards together and make this my pet deck.
I read some part of thhis topic, but the archivie is too extense and a have some doubts on this.
What I'd love to see if anyone starts bringing a version of this into tournaments.. and if we start getting match writeups in standard.
i'd love to see an Pro list too. The problem i see for now, is how Sultai is on the edge in this std. With many removals (chupa, Throphy, Cast down...) and Vaniffar need to untap to start to work. I start to think to use Dive Down to protect it. And this is the reason i like to use other must answer card like Thief of Sanity and Biogenic Ooze (full playset in mb). Toolbox is my favorite archetype.
Still playing sultai version, made another 3-1 last showdown (last monday here) i'll put whole list before, if lands and i need to improve my side.
Relative as karnstruct, Scion of urza might be a adiction to today list, as dont reliable in the lock/bridge too much anymore?
I know fly of the thopter is good, but saheeli sometimes is hard to remove then a creature and can copy karnstructor to beatdown
Can dig for combo, can leave sword in grave if we have the combo she can find urza too.
Can you fit it in some build? what do you think guys
Not true for all time. Artifact decks is my favorite no matter the tier, my pet deck before rotate was UB improvise. I think FNM's best friends is rogue decks, i love it, some weeks agora i play with 4C rampage the clans xD. If you remember me, i'n the guy who tried Grixis Pirate early ixalan xD. Fully support all kind of try to have fun in FNM.
I rly like this bant list, but i start to think at least temur must be best shell cause have acess to Rhythm of the Wild. And this boar god seens so strong, with rhonas omg. I like Roalesk too and fit in a temur shell and Fblthp, the Lost too. Maybe Zegana wins a chance here with Roalesk give counter to suport zegana's trample and rhonas buff ? (i belive in magical christimas too xD)
the last list (without land, i dont remember the manabase) was something like this:
4 Incubation Druid
4 Thief of Sanity
1 Mirror Image
3 Frilled Mystic
2 Hostage Taker
2 Ravenous Chupacabra
1 Plaguecrafter
3 Prime Speaker Vannifar
4 Biogenic ooze
2 Dream Eater
1 Muldrotha, the Gravetide
1 Pelakka Wurm
1 End-Raze Forerunners
The only spell i use is Quasiduplicate, thats divide me, all the time i thought of to cut, this wins me a game, copying a Plaguecraft or a hostage taker, chupacabra. But as i told in past post in here, maybe we need more playset of must answer thread (preferably evasive) to not be so easy for opponent choose how control us.
You have interesting choises, i see a loop into Golgari Findbroker and The Eldest Reborn could be great. Lazav, the Multifarious seens a interesting card to test here. I looked for Midnight Reaper too, but with my luck, i'll draw the card o want to search
this defines the deck stats. Vannifar it was to be my main deck for this std, but this stupid Esper control for all around (just yesterday on showdown had 3 of them), its impossible to play with it, so sad, cause is so funny to play with vannifar.
Now, i'n with a sultai control for this season.
But i'n a little lost with this many option: Serum, Loothing, IOK, TS, CB. haha
I rly like idea to use Vraska here. AB on a stick and can give card advantage and life in +2 and another wincon .. seens fine. Just to confirm: its goes to the side? Can give me the last list, will appreciate this.
Then you say to play a G1 like an all-in combo and after side with more controlish pieces if we need?
Someone can show me the most att list? Have some list with chalice on board?
I played the Zac list this past weekend, i win most G1, but no luk on other games.
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On opal: Free mana is a mistake that the wizz itself, and we all know, and all B&R say mox and stirrings is on the target ... if the "new kci" start to make results, i believe in a preventive ban. Mox is too expansive to acquire in this enviroment for now IMO. will wait till next announcement.
EDIT: I play only in paper
Recently (most precise yesterday haha) i decide to put the cards together and make this my pet deck.
I read some part of thhis topic, but the archivie is too extense and a have some doubts on this.
I'n using a basic list from Zac Elsick for now
When and why Tezzeret, agent of bolas was droped from MB?
Karn, Scion of Urza is not good in deck?
I saw a question similar as mine about Mox Opal (i have a feeling this can be banned sometime cause the new "KCI") then i dont want to invest on this for now .. then what i can play in this place ? Mind stone and talisman? and without Mox Mishra's Bauble is not too good?
About Fatal Push vs Battle at the bridge?
About Collective Brutality vs Thoughtseize? i think seize hit more things cans disrupting the deck.
and Thirst for Knowledge to find pieces?
Sry about lots of questions (maybe a little poor) but i'n just learning all pieces
i'd love to see an Pro list too. The problem i see for now, is how Sultai is on the edge in this std. With many removals (chupa, Throphy, Cast down...) and Vaniffar need to untap to start to work. I start to think to use Dive Down to protect it. And this is the reason i like to use other must answer card like Thief of Sanity and Biogenic Ooze (full playset in mb). Toolbox is my favorite archetype.
Still playing sultai version, made another 3-1 last showdown (last monday here) i'll put whole list before, if lands and i need to improve my side.
i like Multani, Yavimaya's Avatar btw ... even as Izoni my other try