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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from lukey52 »
    I feel like it could be a nice change. Including RTR seems like a good idea because it means we have access to a lot of extra cards that were not in Origins onwards that will police the format like thoughtseize, rest in peace, pithing needle, abrupt decay and supreme verdict.


    Starting at RTR also means they avoid some of the problematic (and expensive (and Modern defining)) cards from Innistrad and Mirrodin Besieged (which were likely also floated as the starting point for the format (since those 3 blocks were released around when Magic's popularity exploded)).
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from Xcric »
    yawn.

    as long as modern exists, this is a dead format.


    You sound like the people who derided Modern as a dead on arrival format because no one would play it instead of Legacy/Vintage. Smile

    This format will be popular if the card prices are not exorbitantly expensive (like Modern and Legacy/Vintage). If prices are kept in check, then that becomes the format's greatest selling point.
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    I want to like the idea of this new format, but I think it is going to have to much of a modern feel to it (fast) with empty holes. I personally would have been excited to play a new format if they would have started the card pool from Kaladesh onward. I see Kaladesh as the beginning of a new era in magic. I think there could have been a lot of good to come out of a potentially slower clock and maybe a turn 5 format. Now, I could just be biased since I am vested in modern so much. I hope this new format helps LGS's and doesn't hurt them more than WTC already has in the last year or so.


    Kaladesh forward would just be Kaladesh and some other cards.
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from DanzBorin »
    Quote from leslak »
    I would like it as a new extended. Modern is now a "new legacy" but every legal card can be reprinted. This is just a Modern without lots of cards that defined it, it is like a "hey lets do a modern format without the "good cards" from modern"... It is not that it is bad but id hope that the format had more changes than just be a new modern. How about rotation- like a big extended (lots of years), it would be nice to have a 8 years worth of cards format that rotated, this way wizards would always have a "flesh" format to show off as a new modern. Non rotation will only make new staples be discovered and soon after 3-4 years the format be almost like modern is today.

    If it was new Legacy without reserve list, it would go back to Masques. I do agree this is trying to kill reserve list cards for good. They don't like Legacy. If Legacy goes, I go. I've been playing this game too long to watch them abandon the past.

    This is a cash grab format. It allows them to have a modern that they don't have to worry about reprints tanking value. If you notice, the kick off point is the first set that started the era of huge print runs. Now they can reprint like crazy and keep the modern "money" stuff for Masters sets and charge $15 a pack for it. No more fetch lands in $3 packs. They won't worry about needing to reprint anything in standard that will piss off Modern players. They can just crank the stuff out. They will generate the big bucks from stupid stuff like Collectors Packs with 42 different borders and styles instead of anything of actual value from a play standpoint.


    Everything you are saying applies to Modern when it came out. Wink
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from user-11102155 »
    i wonder why they didnt start with origin and call it "origin" as a format
    would have been a much better marketing thing, especially since they said they wanna target newer players. how are 6 year old sets targeting older players ?


    Because if you started with Origin, you eliminate 11 sets from the format. What you have left is a pretty shallow pool of available cards.
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  • posted a message on 'Mystery Booster' product
    Maybe this is a Pioneer Master set?
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from leslak »
    I would like it as a new extended. Modern is now a "new legacy" but every legal card can be reprinted. This is just a Modern without lots of cards that defined it, it is like a "hey lets do a modern format without the "good cards" from modern"... It is not that it is bad but id hope that the format had more changes than just be a new modern. How about rotation- like a big extended (lots of years), it would be nice to have a 8 years worth of cards format that rotated, this way wizards would always have a "flesh" format to show off as a new modern. Non rotation will only make new staples be discovered and soon after 3-4 years the format be almost like modern is today.



    You are guaranteed to lose more people with a rotation than not. Rotations are simply that unpopular.
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  • posted a message on October 21, 2019 Ban and Restricted list update.
    I feel like Oko might be too powerful now but by the time we get to another B&R announcement, we may as well wait for the next set to come out.
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    What a silly thing. They just arbitrarily picked a starting point instead of applying an ounce of logic for the format.


    Any set you choose to be the start date is entirely arbitrary.


    Only if you consider the starting point of Modern to be entirely arbitrary as well.


    It IS entirely arbitrary to start the format when they release a new card frame. Visual updates have nothing to do with what makes a format fun, exciting or unique.

    Additionally, the card frame is used for vintage/Legacy/Commander-only cards and reprints, which negates the whole point of using the new frame as a justification for easily determining what is and is not legal in a format.
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
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    Quote from Melkor »
    What a silly thing. They just arbitrarily picked a starting point instead of applying an ounce of logic for the format.


    I guess it's technically arbitrary, but it feels right. I had thought they were going to start with Origins to skip the fetches, but RTR is a much better starting point. it is the start of the higher print runs, it is the start of having very few super expensive cards, it is when the game got a HUGE influx of new players, it ties in nicely to the RTRTR that pretty much all current players know well, it was a golden age, and it was as far back as they could go without running into LotV type high price due to scarcity. like i said, i thought they were going to do Origins to skip the fetches, but RTR is where i personally would have put it, and the obvious place to put it if they were going to ban fetches. really the higher print run and more supply was probably one of the biggest deciding factors against going back earlier
    Quote from Melkor »
    What a silly thing. They just arbitrarily picked a starting point instead of applying an ounce of logic for the format.


    I guess it's technically arbitrary, but it feels right. I had thought they were going to start with Origins to skip the fetches, but RTR is a much better starting point. it is the start of the higher print runs, it is the start of having very few super expensive cards, it is when the game got a HUGE influx of new players, it ties in nicely to the RTRTR that pretty much all current players know well, it was a golden age, and it was as far back as they could go without running into LotV type high price due to scarcity. like i said, i thought they were going to do Origins to skip the fetches, but RTR is where i personally would have put it, and the obvious place to put it if they were going to ban fetches. really the higher print run and more supply was probably one of the biggest deciding factors against going back earlier


    I think there will be a lot of consternation that Innestrad was not the start date, since that was the set where the game's popularity really took off... But it is also a set with a lot of powerful and expensive cards, which is likely why it was not included.
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    What a silly thing. They just arbitrarily picked a starting point instead of applying an ounce of logic for the format.


    Any set you choose to be the start date is entirely arbitrary.
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    Quote from rowanalpha »
    Yeah, they probably should have banned the cards that were banned in standard like they did when modern first came out, like Aetherworks marvel and Emrakul, the promised end.


    Nah. I would prefer a clean slate. Some of those cards could definitely be banned but I would rather the format grow and change naturally.
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  • posted a message on The Pioneer Format
    ANNOUNCING THE PIONEER FORMAT

    Pioneer—a new nonrotating format featuring cards from Return to Ravnica and forward—is coming to tabletop and Magic Online events very soon!

    The oldest Modern set came out in 2003—sixteen years ago. And now that Modern's card pool is this large, it no longer serves the needed role of "format where you can use your Standard cards after rotation." For players who started more recently and still want to play with their favorite cards after rotation, Pioneer, like Modern before it, bridges that gap while providing a fun experience for both tabletop and Magic Online. Currently, there are no plans to add it as a format to Magic: The Gathering Arena.




    The initial banned list will include just five cards—the fetch lands: Bloodstained Mire, Flooded Strand, Polluted Delta, Windswept Heath, and Wooded Foothills.

    We'll talk more about the B&R philosophy on Thursday, but the gist of the banning decision is as follows: mana bases with fetch lands and shock lands are very strong and make playing three or four colors too easy. Decks can become more homogenous and the format becomes more defined by how many of the strongest cards players can squeeze into one deck. More constraints on mana bases add diversity to the format and make decks play differently from one another.
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  • posted a message on Oracle updates 9/27/19
    Quote from from="Pedro Rocha »" url="/forums/magic-fundamentals/the-rumor-mill/814359-oracle-updates-9-27-19?comment=16" »
    WTF! Why didn't Noble Hierarch gain the noble type? She is a hierarch... she is a noble... but she isn't noble at the same time. Com'on, Wizards, you should be kidding us.


    Hierarch is a "chief priest, archbishop, or other leader."

    Noble, in this sense, means "having or showing fine personal qualities or high moral principles and ideals."

    So she is a priestess with high moral principles.
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  • posted a message on Theros: Beyond Death Elspeth
    Quote from Ryperior74 »
    Nifty! This feels like this preview is coming out too soon. Eldraine is not even out yet!


    Uhhh

    Theros revisit is not till 2020 maro said throne of eldraine is the last standard set of the year

    So the next set for winter is a supplement one (conspiracy 3/battle bond 2/modern horizons 2/un-set 4/ or whatever)


    Yeah Theros is the January set. I was more thinking that this is really early for a leak to come out.
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