MTG Salvation

I cannot wait for this to come out! My friends and I have been debating which cards will be in the Lair.

We are thinking: Ryu, Chun-Li, Sagat & M. Bison.

I know it is unlikely but part of me hopes they are all MDFs, that way we can get more characters.

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It's not real, but that is so much better than the real thing.



Secret Lair should never have been mechanically unique, I can't express how muc that still bothers me.

They will put all mechanically unique Secret Lair cards on The List and reprint them in with MtG flavor.

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Love the Drizzt card but the Guen token should have been a 4/3 not a 4/1. Guen can take a beating before she has to return to the Astral Plane.

As for Drizzt being GW it is spot on. He has shunned his Drow heritage and taken up with Mielikki a godess of nature. Perfect fit.

Lolth should have been a God as well. (Yeah I know she's a walker, but nevertheless)

Love to see Breunor but I'm meh on his abilities.

Lets bring on Wulfgar, Cattie Brie and Regis next.

Don't forget about Artemis Entreri and Jarlaxle



EDIT: I wonder if Elminster will be a legendary creature or a planeswalker.

Many of the silver bordered cards could be Black Bordered but they might require adjusting the rules and they do not feel like the rules revision is justified for the addition of a cool new mechanic (like Extremely Slow Zombie).

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The tables I play at and regular playgroup will ban all this universe beyond crap straight away just like TWD. That will suck for people coming to the store with these cards in their deck not being able to get in a game.

Then it sounds like the problem there would stem from your playgroup, no?

Sounds to me like the problem is Wizards making a mockery of the game and creating the false impression that this garbage will actually be accepted by everyone, no?

You better believe there will be a LOT of playgroups who will want to have nothing to do with ‘universe beyond’.

"Sorry new guy, but you can't play with anyone here because we collectively decided to not accept those Warhammer cards that are in your deck. I know it's not fair to you, but Wizards forced us to gatekeep you out of our group, so really it's their fault that you can't play, not ours."

That's more or less what you sound like from my perspective. You're free to disallow anyone with those cards from playing games with you, but I'm free to think that your playgroup is being whiny and immature for doing so.

Not allowing the Universe Beyond cards definitely is gatekeeping, especially since the Universe Beyond cards are likely to draw lots of new and lapsed players back into the game.

I hate that the drop I am most interested in - the Faeries - are only in foil. They are going to curl so much. Sigh.

I love the Teferi and Kaya art.

Why would Konami - the makers of Yugioh - partner with Wizards of the Coast?

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if they're going to keep improving threats, then they need to bring better answers or else we'll keep having extensive ban lists every time.

It looks like Wizard's recent design philosophy is to make bigger threats, so players simply compete on landing bigger threats, rather than using lower-costing answers to take care of those threats.

Wizards keeps citing their player satisfaction surveys where new players don't like their threats being countered or neutralized before they can use it. So, really good answers are unlikely to be made for Standard. The better creature removals recently seem to be in black. (Cast Down, Heartless Act)

They might scale back on the power creep for creatures, but removal will probably remain not as quick or efficient in Standard.

Which has been the biggest problem plaguing Standard for a long time now. The game is far healthier and more vibrant when threats and answers are roughly equal. When threats far outstrip answers, you are left with a shallow game of who can ramp and draw into their threat faster.

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This was my point too, it would suck to open a $16 pack and get a $3 rare or mythic. It would also suck even more to buy a $300-$400 box and find out all your rares and mythic amount to about $150-$180.

I mean if you buy a standard box for $110 and you get $60 worth of rares/mythic it already feels pretty bad, but imagine buying something 3 times as much, the feeling should be 3 times as strong. I mean if there is only one $100 card in the set and the rest are $50 or less in value then it'll be hard to justify the price of the box at $300 unless you can get 6 of those $50 cards in the box whether they may be rares/mythics/foils or whatever.

It's like buying a Collector's pack for $20 and when you open it you get $8 worth of cards in value, or even $10, it feels bad.

As someone who bought an Iconic Masters pack and pulled Channel, let me tell you - it sucks.

Literally going in all my commander decks that have white but not green.

EDIT: Thinking again... Maybe not. The lack of haste is a killer.

EDIT 2: The first time you play this, you have to wait a turn before he can attack. After that you just leave 2 mana up and cast him in your second main phase. So effectively he becomes 2 mana ramp every turn. Not bad. Especially for White.

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Everyone is always asking about Samurai and Ninja for Kamigawa's new set and I am like - please don't forget about the snakes and foxes. Both tribes need a lot of help and this is one of the few planes where both can be fleshed out.

This is pretty much certain too, both because it always happens with returns and because Mark Rosewater all but confirmed the same tribes are returning:
https://markrosewater.tumblr.com/post/669674235434795008/since-neon-dinasty-is-set-in-the-future-can-we

There might not be a ton of tribal cards for them though, as those were pretty light in the original anyway. Foxes only had Patron of the Kitsune, for instance.

source: https://www.beadleandgrimms.com/magic/kamigawa/teaser

another Source: https://twitter.com/wizards_magic/status/1469403920690597889

There’s no details yet but it looks like December 16th we’re gonna learn about this game gear I believe

Love the Drizzt card but the Guen token should have been a 4/3 not a 4/1. Guen can take a beating before she has to return to the Astral Plane.

As for Drizzt being GW it is spot on. He has shunned his Drow heritage and taken up with Mielikki a godess of nature. Perfect fit.

Lolth should have been a God as well. (Yeah I know she's a walker, but nevertheless)

Love to see Breunor but I'm meh on his abilities.

Lets bring on Wulfgar, Cattie Brie and Regis next.

need more good cat cards and dogs cards.

Divine Visitation would turn your human tokens into angel tokens which are also now non-human.

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Buying it effective immediately.

this is a nice way to show wizards that they made the wrong decisions by not making that Theros novel

I also think $40 is too expensive for these. Justifying the price with foil prices of these cards is not appropriate. Foils of the original gods command that price because of scarcity. Their sets are no longer in print, and it was challenging to pull a foil mythic from draft boosters before collector’s packs. It’s not the same as a print-to-demand set selling three singles at a comparable rate to the secondary market that WOtC is evidently unable to acknowledge.

I understand that having paid that rate for these, one could argue they’re worth what I was willing to pay for them. It was the pressure of these being exclusive and limited that really drove that decision, though. I was thinking about the future, not the present.

These aren’t RL though. So it’s possible they could show up elsewhere regardless.

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Novemember/December Secret Lairs: (5) at $29.99, (2) at $39.99. $200 for a bundle.
January Secret Lairs: (1) at $39.99. (no $29.99 products)
February Secret Lairs: (5) at $39.99. $150 for a bundle. (no $29.99 products)



(J Jonah Jameson Laughing): https://youtu.be/Jy-7q8vmrXM

Toss a coin to your wizards!
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really... and there are people still defending this product

True.

I got back in to Magic after more than 20 years just before Khans got released, so the first Theros block was everywhere. The timing is really odd now because after nearly a year off I am just about to get back in to Magic again as another Theros set comes out--I guess it was just meant to be.

We need sylvan tutor reprinted in general not promo