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Which means another full reread for me, just to be sure. Yay.
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So, as of Shockwave's unvote, your wagon is three votes long.
TappingStones (3) - KingofDominaria, Kosakosa, Wheat_Grinder
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Oh dear. I have independent town reads on all of these guys.
The worst vote on you was Shockwave, but he unvoted you.
Kosa's been suspicious of you since he got here, basically, so his vote with nothing more than "I knew it!" is pretty natural.
KoD is the wagon starter, and his initial vote was sort of sketchy but he came back and supported it.
Wheat's scum read on you is pretty obvious, even if I don't agree with it.
So... yeah. If I had to choose someone who has been on your wagon to be scum, I'd pick Shockwave. But, gun to my head again, there's probably not scum there.
They're likely lurking and/or busy.
I'm chalking up the lack of activity to people being busy, though I'm pretty sure there's scum "actively" lurking the thread since my town reads are at each other's throats. They'll let us lynch each other as long as they can.
@TS: I've said at least twice why I think you're suspicious, and it isn't the /barning of others that you're trying to paint it as. Ignore me, even, if you want, my particular read on you is null and I'm not on your wagon. At the moment, I'd like to lynch Necarg -- I'll probably end up posting my PBPA on him tonight even though I should push it out until tomorrow in the interest of sleep. I think Rhand and DoTA are also worth looking at, due to the PoE I posted earlier. I'm content to wait as long as I have to for you to finish your reread.
I said considering. If they're scum together, he'd have to have been at least considering the possibility of bussing his buddy Fable at that point to say he's leaning scum on him. I don't think that's likely.
Half_Time responded to that yesterDay. He was thinking aloud and decided TS's vote wasn't scummy because it felt like he was town /barning town, but that D_V's was scummy because it was "murderous". I don't agree that wanting someone dead is necessarily scummy, but it's not inconsistent or confusing to me.
He already said that the interactions of others regarding Fable are worth looking at, just not what Fable was saying about others. I agree. You'll never figure out when exactly in the day he decided to troll us, and it's probably not useful to go down that rabbit hole. But we can still see what other people were saying to Fable, and how they reacted to Fable's actions.
I can't. But then, I'm not really in a position to criticize, since I hadn't done much until today (as in, the last 12 hours or so). To be honest, I think we'll have much better idea of Half_Time's alignment when he starts talking about TS. There's a lot of strange interactions around his (TS's) slot that I'm interested in unraveling.
Yeah, I'm not trying to rush him or anything. Something like half the players haven't even posted since the day started, and most of those hadn't posted much before N1, either. I'm perfectly content to wait.
Actually. I just tried it on my phone, and you're right, there isn't a page index.
As a work around, you can copy-paste this into your address bar:
http://www.mtgsalvation.com/forums/search?by-author=TappingStones&page=2&search-thread-id=719646
and change the username and page number by hand when you want to look at earlier stuff.
Or you can request the desktop site from your phone's browser options; that should give you the page index but it might be hard to read without zooming in.
@Mindreaver:
I iso'd Half_Time and went back through your case... but I don't see the same things you do. I mean, he is contributing relatively little in the way of his own reads, but that's not necessarily scummy in a vacuum. I'll quote some of his posts that pinged me as town.If he's scum, what is this exactly? Defending TS from his scum buddy for the pocket play, only to turn around and be suspicious of him? Distancing from his scum buddy who's under very little pressure?
It reads... well, to be honest, it reads like a reasonable person just asking other people to be reasonable. Not necessarily alignment indicative, I suppose, but it pinged me as town at the time and still reads that way to me.Same thing here. Is he already considering bussing Fable in his third post of the game? Looking at a Kosa townread when virtually the whole active game besides me was trying to lynch him?
Then he spends the majority of the day pushing D_V as a counter wagon to Kosa. Alone. Is that a scummy thing to do? I don't think so. It seems much more like town thought they caught scum and was hoping to get them lynched. Scum would have tried to let that wagon go once they realized it wasn't going to go the way they wanted. Especially now that, you know, we're pretty sure Kosa is town.
Now Day 2, he's still suspicious of TS and D_V for pushing his town lean Kosa on Day 1. He wants to talk about TS but would prefer to wait until TS finishes his reread posts. And to be honest, I'm in sort of the same spot. Day 1, I was town leaning on TS but with recent events I'm suspicious and I think whatever TS finds in his reread will be illuminating in a variety of ways - to his alignment and the alignments of others. I think it's perfectly reasonable to want to wait.
Overall, I rate Half_Time's iso a solid "lean town" / 10. I think you're reading too much into his recent posts, like TS is reading too much into my very early ones.
In my most recent post, I realized I left my name off the wagon and thought that would make ten. Turns out there were only eight names in the list.
When Fable was getting run up, I just took the last vote count and counted votes after that - I'm sure others did too. I didn't notice that Necarg was already on the wagon when he voted Fable again, so his vote got counted twice accidentally (by me). I can't say for sure whether the lynch was "legal" or not.
However, I don't think he'd set up an unalignment between his buddy Fable and his probably-not-buddy KoD in #221 unless they're all scum together and he was creating distance for them. Which doesn't seem super likely.
Then later (you didn't get to this yet TS) in #568 Fable calls out Killjoy as one of the players who isn't doing anything. It would be sort of odd for a scum mate to do that and Fable wasn't under a ton of pressure then. It's possible he chose a town lurker. But then WIFOM and etc. so maybe he chose his scum buddy to distance them.
I don't think it's super likely, to be honest. Gun to my head, if we lynch him he'll flip town, but if he doesn't get in here and post stuff we'll end up having to lynch him for PoE anyway.
I'll do Half_Time some time tonight, since he's someone with content I can actually have an opinion on. Then maaaybe a PBPA on Necarg's 17 whole posts, but I might push that out until tomorrow. Depends on how long Half_Time takes me.
I don't personally think they're scum. Kosa admitted he was Borg, but I bet he's 7 of 9 or something. I've been leaning town on him virtually all game and I don't think we need him to claim any further than he has already. If a sizeable portion of player want him dead for being Borg, we should probably lynch him now and have done with it before he gets to MyLo and loses us the game because of it.
Half_Time is a mindset read for me, but I'll go back through your case and his iso to see if that changes things. I admit I can't quite remember specifically why I'm leaning town on him and I should probably reread to check.
If you want to look at them (as well as KoD, whose vote was also dangling on DoTA), feel free. Personally, I'll be concentrating on the smaller list and leaving my vote on Necarg (after I check Killjoy for TS and HT for you).